Which iTunes for Windows Millennium?

[henry72]

That's an very interesting story haha. She's willing to learn how to use an iPhone or iOS in general but too stubborn to upgrade or learn a new OS? Does she uses Touch ID?

Well if that's the case, can you use your computer to transfer the songs?

 

[S.B.G]

The computer costs about $2500. It really works fine. You guys are making windows me out to be this horrible outdated os. It's really not bad. But nonetheless, she will not give the computer up until it doesn't work anymore. Xp is still widely used on today's computers, so why is it so surprising to use an OS that is one year older? It's still going strong. Go figure.

Windows Millenium was a disaster in the 1990's. Fraught with BSOD's in a widespread fashion. Not only that, at the time of technology then, security wasn't really a priority, if even thought of when developing OS's.

Many people, unwittingly, had their 'C Drives' openly shared on the Internet with Windows 95/98/ME. Browser vulnerabilities along with all sorts of other application and OS holes were a plenty. Exploitation at the time was in it's infancy. However, these days, there are scrips and all sorts of junk meandering around on the Internet prodding for those older systems, looking to see what's still out there to infect, control and manipulate.

Now, Windows XP is vulnerable to any future exploits as Microsoft has finally dropped support for fixing them. They're several iterations of Windows past 95/98/ME/XP and want to concentrate on moving forward and not having to continue legacy support of such, in relative terms, archaic software. Plus, the differences between XP and the previous OS's are quite profound. So to think it's relatively okay to use an OS just one year older is, in my opinion, flawed.

I understand you're grandmother paid a lot of money for that computer and it works well for her - that's fantastic. I just hope she isn't putting it on the Internet. She is not going to be able to connect her iPhone to that with iTunes and sync her stuff to it. She's going to have to accept that, or you're going to have to find a different way to assist her.

 

[iolinux333]

Windows Millenium was a disaster in the 1990's. Fraught with BSOD's in a widespread fashion. Not only that, at the time of technology then, security wasn't really a priority, if even thought of when developing OS's.

Many people, unwittingly, had their 'C Drives' openly shared on the Internet with Windows 95/98/ME. Browser vulnerabilities along with all sorts of other application and OS holes were a plenty. Exploitation at the time was in it's infancy. However, these days, there are scrips and all sorts of junk meandering around on the Internet prodding for those older systems, looking to see what's still out there to infect, control and manipulate.

Now, Windows XP is vulnerable to any future exploits as Microsoft has finally dropped support for fixing them. They're several iterations of Windows past 95/98/ME/XP and want to concentrate on moving forward and not having to continue legacy support of such, in relative terms, archaic software. Plus, the differences between XP and the previous OS's are quite profound. So to think it's relatively okay to use an OS just one year older is, in my opinion, flawed.

I understand you're grandmother paid a lot of money for that computer and it works well for her - that's fantastic. I just hope she isn't putting it on the Internet. She is not going to be able to connect her iPhone to that with iTunes and sync her stuff to it. She's going to have to accept that, or you're going to have to find a different way to assist her.

If there is enough space to dual boot Ubuntu 14 there's some iphone support in there... But I'm sure it will absolutely crawl - probably take an hour just to boot.

 

[scaredpoet]

The computer costs about $2500. It really works fine.

The computer costED about $2500 about 14 years ago. She has obtained far, far more use of it than most people who have spent $2500 on computers back then.

There are computers on the market now which cost 1/5th as much and can do far more. The iPhone 5S she's trying to get to work with her Windows ME computer far surpasses that PC, functionally and technologically. it should be no surprise that the two won't play nice. I'm sorry, but this is the reality of technology.

You guys are making windows me out to be this horrible outdated os.

Honestly, I'm beginning to think you're trolling, with statements like this.

But nonetheless, she will not give the computer up until it doesn't work anymore.

There are many different ways an obsolete computer will "stop working." physical breakdown is one. Failing to work with current technology is another.

Here's what I don't get: your technology-stuck grandmother won't upgrade past Windows ME, will not get an iPad, but is totally okay with a 64-bit, top-of-the-line smartphone that exceeds the specifications of that Windows ME desktop in virtually every way? She's somehow managed to embrace the post-PC paradigm and is adopting mobile computing technology, as long as it isn't an iPad, but even though that super-high-tech iPhone 5S she's got won't talk to her ancient PC, the leap from Windows ME to 7 is a bridge too far?

Yeah, I'm really beginning to smell troll, more and more. Something isn't adding up here.

In any case, even if this totally unrealistic story is actually true, there's nothing any of us can do to help you. She either:

- Has to give up the iPhone 5S,
- Has to upgrade her desktop to something made within the past decade, or,
- Has to accept that the two can never talk to each other.

None of us here can change that reality. Maybe you can appeal to Apple. Good luck with that.

 

[BlueMoonForever]

Windows Millenium was a disaster in the 1990's. Fraught with BSOD's in a widespread fashion. Not only that, at the time of technology then, security wasn't really a priority, if even thought of when developing OS's.

Many people, unwittingly, had their 'C Drives' openly shared on the Internet with Windows 95/98/ME. Browser vulnerabilities along with all sorts of other application and OS holes were a plenty. Exploitation at the time was in it's infancy. However, these days, there are scrips and all sorts of junk meandering around on the Internet prodding for those older systems, looking to see what's still out there to infect, control and manipulate.

Now, Windows XP is vulnerable to any future exploits as Microsoft has finally dropped support for fixing them. They're several iterations of Windows past 95/98/ME/XP and want to concentrate on moving forward and not having to continue legacy support of such, in relative terms, archaic software. Plus, the differences between XP and the previous OS's are quite profound. So to think it's relatively okay to use an OS just one year older is, in my opinion, flawed.

I understand you're grandmother paid a lot of money for that computer and it works well for her - that's fantastic. I just hope she isn't putting it on the Internet. She is not going to be able to connect her iPhone to that with iTunes and sync her stuff to it. She's going to have to accept that, or you're going to have to find a different way to assist her.

Oh wow. She is running Norton Anti-Virus 2001 though. I know she regularly scans her hard drive and its always good.

My next bet would be to try and get XP on the computer. But I can't figure out why MS would want to pull support for its legendary OS?

Will it run XP? It's a 1000mhz processor (Pentium III) 512mb ram, 80GB hard drive, ATI Graphics

 

[chrfr]

Xp is still widely used on today's computers, so why is it so surprising to use an OS that is one year older

These two things are really not as related as they might seem. Me was sold for just over 1 year and support ended in 2006. XP was sold for 9 or 10 years and support just ended 7 weeks ago while Me's support ended 8 years ago. You'd be hard pressed to find even a current antivirus software for it.

 

[Mr. Buzzcut]

XP got a lot better over time. ME was essentially abandoned.

I don't understand the "still works" assertion. If it does not meet current needs, it sounds to me like it is no longer "working." I.e., I need it to run iTunes and it cannot.

 

[chrfr]

Oh wow. She is running Norton Anti-Virus 2001 though. I know she regularly scans her hard drive and its always good.

Do you know if the definitions are current?

My next bet would be to try and get XP on the computer. But I can't figure out why MS would want to pull support for its legendary OS?

Will it run XP? It's a 1000mhz processor (Pentium III) 512mb ram, 80GB hard drive, ATI Graphics

That should run XP, but again that is no longer supported either.
Microsoft ended XP support because it's 13 years old.
Understand that a 13 year old $2500 computer has a value today of maybe $25. A $200 used computer would be far superior and allow the use of Windows 7.

 

[S.B.G]

Oh wow. She is running Norton Anti-Virus 2001 though. I know she regularly scans her hard drive and its always good.

My next bet would be to try and get XP on the computer. But I can't figure out why MS would want to pull support for its legendary OS?

I have to wonder if Symantec is still pushing definition updates for such an old product too.

Why would Microsoft want to pull support? It's a business liability. Pour resources, people and money into an outdated platform when they and the rest of the industry are forging ahead, developing and pushing new technologies which help the rest of the world progress too. XP and the other old OS's are like lead weights around their ankles, holding them back.

 

[chrfr]

I have to wonder if Symantec is still pushing definition updates for such an old product too.

Amazingly, they do. Antivirus software of that era did nothing to protect against adware, malware and the like, though.

 

[Mr. Buzzcut]

Oh wow. She is running Norton Anti-Virus 2001 though. I know she regularly scans her hard drive and its always good.

My next bet would be to try and get XP on the computer. But I can't figure out why MS would want to pull support for its legendary OS?

Will it run XP? It's a 1000mhz processor (Pentium III) 512mb ram, 80GB hard drive, ATI Graphics

The RAM is going to be an issue. Sorry to tell you that $2500 PC is now worthless and parts of it are likely to fail at any time.

You can get a corporate desktop PC off lease for under $100 that will have XP or run 7 with ease.

I'd discourage XP as you are replacing one obsolete OS with another.

 

[KUguardgrl13]

I smell a troll. There's no way an elderly woman has a death grip on her ancient PC but is willing to try a brand new smartphone.

If this is somehow legit, if the songs were purchased through iTunes you should be able to download them directly on the iPhone. Otherwise convince her to upgrade her computer or move the iTunes library to an external drive and access on a newer computer.

 

[S.B.G]

Amazingly, they do. Antivirus software of that era did nothing to protect against adware, malware and the like, though.

Wow, it appears that you are, indeed, correct. I would never have guessed it and frankly, I'm a bit surprised.

They must have had some good forethought to develop their platform to be able to accept definition updates in a manner that has no bearing on versioning, for, at least, the most basic operation of virus definition updates.

Of course, the application itself (2001) will be missing key attributes of being able to detect more modern attempts of infection, but at least it can look for the traditional virus and worm that was more common at the time.

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/150-symantec-norton-antivirus-definition-update.html

Supports the following versions of Symantec antivirus software:
Norton AntiVirus 2000 for Windows 9x/NT/2000
Norton AntiVirus 2001 for Windows 95b/98/NT/2000/Me
Norton AntiVirus 2002 Professional Edition
Norton AntiVirus 2002 for Windows 98/Me/NT/2000/XP Home/XP Pro
Norton AntiVirus 2003 Professional Edition
Norton AntiVirus 2003 for Windows 98/Me/2000/XP Home/XP Pro
Norton AntiVirus 2004 Professional Edition
Norton AntiVirus 2004 for Windows 98/Me/2000/XP Home/XP Pro
Norton AntiVirus 2005 for Windows 98/Me/2000/XP Home/XP Pro
Norton AntiVirus 7.x Corporate Edition Client
Norton AntiVirus for Microsoft Exchange (Intel)
Norton SystemWorks (all versions)
Norton UtiliEnter your state hereties for Windows 95/98 (all versions)
Symantec AntiVirus 3.0 for CacheFlow Security Gateway
Symantec AntiVirus 3.0 for Inktomi Traffic Edge
Symantec AntiVirus 3.0 for NetApp Filer/NetCache
Symantec AntiVirus 3.1 for SMTP Gateways for Windows
Symantec AntiVirus 8.0 Corporate Edition Client
Symantec AntiVirus 8.1 Corporate Edition Client
Symantec AntiVirus 9.0 Corporate Edition Client
Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering 3.02 for Microsoft Exchange 2000
Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering 3.1 for Domino
pcAnywhere32 7.5 and higher for Windows NT

 

[Jessica Lares]

In extreme cases, some people still want to use old operating systems with software being the key reason. I know people who still use OS X Tiger as their main OS on Intel machines for this reason. Lots of people are on Snow Leopard for the same reason.

The way around this would be to find a media player that lets you connect to it as a server. Then you could get a FTP app and load the music in that way. Make a bookmark to the server and you can probably leave it on her desktop for easy access.

 

[BlueMoonForever]

While I really appreciate those trying to help here, I do NOT appreciate those calling my story untrue or unrealistic. Its very true. Grandma is a very stubborn woman. Fact is, she just got the iPhone 5S yesterday. I don't think the reality has set in yet. While I do not believe ME is as bad as some of your are making it out to be, I am going to look into putting XP on the computer. While it may be unsupported, she will be able to run many more prgrams, including itunes for her new iPhone.

 

[scaredpoet]

While I really appreciate those trying to help here, I do NOT appreciate those calling my story untrue or unrealistic.

True or not, you have your options. There are none other.

/thread.

 

[richwoodrocket]

When I tapped on this thread I thought it was a joke.
Upgrade to windows 8.1 and be done with it.

 

[MattMJB0188]

When I tapped on this thread I thought it was a joke.
Upgrade to windows 8.1 and be done with it.

Windows 8/8.1 is PURE CRAP!!! Horribly designed and hard to navigate. Microsoft's last good OS was Windows 7. 8.1 still doesn't have the start menu 7 had.

Anyway, he needs to take his grandma computer shopping and get her a Windows 7 pc. Spend under $500 and she'll be good.

 

[MattMJB0188]

Windows 8/8.1 is PURE CRAP!!! Horribly designed and hard to navigate. Microsoft's last good OS was Windows 7. 8.1 still doesn't have the start menu 7 had.

Anyway, he needs to take his grandma computer shopping and get her a Windows 7 pc. Spend under $500 and she'll be good.

EDIT: Have grandma watch this.

 

[fierywater]

When I tapped on this thread I thought it was a joke.

I still think it is, whether the OP intended it to be or not.

 

[mentaluproar]

While I really appreciate those trying to help here, I do NOT appreciate those calling my story untrue or unrealistic. Its very true. Grandma is a very stubborn woman. Fact is, she just got the iPhone 5S yesterday. I don't think the reality has set in yet. While I do not believe ME is as bad as some of your are making it out to be, I am going to look into putting XP on the computer. While it may be unsupported, she will be able to run many more prgrams, including itunes for her new iPhone.

You are shopping for a pleasant answer. I know how stubborn family members can be, but reality is what it is. What you are asking for will not happen.

Windows ME is very old. It was not well received when it was new and as you can see, it is no better now. Apple will not invest resources in making iTunes run on that set up. How much she spent on the machine is irrelevant. It can not do what she wants it to do.

Your options are limited by that set up. No modern smartphone is going to have a fun time with that machine, although Android will handle it better than iOS. You are working with a machine that is so outdated nobody is developing for it anymore. You need to abandon sentimentality.

I suggest you sit down and explain to her that while the machine has done what she has needed it to do up to now, she has finally hit a wall and encountered something that machine cannot do. What it has been doing up until now has been risky. Her machine has stayed the same, but hackers have developed clever tricks and newer tools that that computer doesn't stand a chance against.

Soften the blow by making her feel like a smart consumer, having chosen a machine that has held up for so long. Then, offer to find her an alternative. My grandmother only ever liked using a G4 iMac in classic mac OS in that at-ease mode. It was the first computer she ever tried that she liked. After we moved her to OSX, she was intimidated by the machine regardless of teaching and I ended up inheriting it. Years later, she was given a tablet and loved it. It helped that she could buy books on it easily.

Your grandmother doesn't need to be forced into using any particular machine. She has options and while their numbers may be overwhelming, there is something out there that she will be comfortable with. Be patient.

Don't bother with linux and iOS. Support for it was always bad and iOS7 really screwed them over. I like linux, but it's not practical here.

 

[aPple nErd]

The computer costs about $2500. It really works fine. You guys are making windows me out to be this horrible outdated os. It's really not bad. But nonetheless, she will not give the computer up until it doesn't work anymore. Xp is still widely used on today's computers, so why is it so surprising to use an OS that is one year older? It's still going strong. Go figure.

if it works fine, then how come iTunes won't work on it?

 

[iolinux333]

My friend's dad, when I was in high school, had a Univac in his basement. Really. It was gigantic and all over the place. Supposedly it still worked but I don't think it was all reassembled. I never saw it actually running. I think he just took it home piece by piece in the back of a Saab 93 when his company abandoned it wonder if he still has it.

Would Windows XP run on it? lol? Hmmm.

 

[mentaluproar]

XP can run on a pentium III, but not happily.

 

[iolinux333]

XP can run on a pentium III, but not happily.

I think original XP would have run fine, but with 13 years of patches? Forget about it.