Which laptop is better for watching you tube, surfing net, watching movies?

[Piaget]

I question whether it's wise for me to respond to your remarks, but I'll keep it short:

Hotter? hah! You've never used a PC notebook have you? PC notebooks are CONSIDERABLY cooler on the lap compared to Apple's.

Granted my aluminum MacBook runs very significantly cooler than my plastic one did (which got so hot it would be painful to touch for more than a couple of seconds), it still doesn't run anywhere near as cool as my HP with dedicated graphics.

Why? The cooling system. The new MacBook and MacBook Pro still do NOT have realistic cooling systems. The HPs DO have cooling systems that pull the heat up and away from the user.

1. Your claim that PC notebooks run much cooler is a gross overgeneralization. Regardless, I was referring specifically to the HDX which has a powerful GPU that runs very warm, especially when under load. Secondly, I didn't make any claims about the cooling systems on either machine, so I'm not sure why you bring that up. All I claimed was that the HP is too heavy and hot to use as a laptop.

It would explain why HP sells more than twice as many units as Apple

2. I hope you're not being serious when you say that the keyboard is the main reason for this. Try cost, familiarity with Windows, compatibility issues.... I wonder if your logic extends to Sony laptops as well?

Because somehow a "professional review" opinion is more valid than the average users?

How do you know the new MacBook "blows past" the designs that inspired it? You made it very clear that you've never used a PC notebook. I have the dv6500t, the CLEAR inspiration for the new MacBook. That notebook has a much better keyboard, proper cooling system, and it has standard ports and connectivity. None of this mini-display port nonsense.

3. You have weird ideas... I didn't say anywhere in this thread (or anywhere on this forum for that matter) that I've never used a PC laptop. (I have.) In fact, you seem to forget that I endorsed the PC laptop over the Macbook just a few posts back!

Regardless, most of what you said here is opinion, so not much to argue about. I already granted that the new MBs borrow from dv6500t, old Sony VAIOs. All I said was that, in MY OPINION, the execution of the same aesthetic is far better on the new MBs than on those laptops.

And, yes, I do think professional reviews AS A WHOLE are more valid than some random forum dude's opinion. (I could say why, but frankly it's irrelevant.) BUT, if you don't think so, that's okay too. All I claimed was that there are multiple people out there that find the laptop very attractive, who were not just MR fanboys.

 

[Primejimbo]

But at least with American cars (like PCs) you can go buy the parts and fix them yourself

With a Mac (import) you're pretty much SOL and at the mercy of the dealer/manufacturer.

I fix my import myself, except the radiator because I didn't have the time to do it myself. I do the brakes, change the oil and I have fixed other people imports w/ alternators, water pumps, and other stuff w/o any problems. Funny you should say this, the only brand of vehicles out there that I have to my special tools for were FORD. I did the brakes on my brothers 81 mustang once and had to buy a special tool to take the caliber off. I haven't used that tool since. I worked on my bother in laws old Bronco, again I had to buy a tool I only used once. I never had that issue working on Toyotas and Hondas. If anything my Camry is VERY easy to do an oil change. I open my hood and the oil filter is right there.. how freaken easy!!! BTW what is GM's stock at and what is Toyota's stock at?
I can work on any car out there, but it's sad that it's Ford I need special tools that I use only once each.

BTW what computer isn't an import? I looked at my wifes old laptop and my old desk top "Made in Japan"

Besides no matter what computer I own, I can find someone to fix it for me. I am and never will be at the "mercy of the dealer/manufacturer"

 

[Piaget]

After browsing through the rest of these forums, I suddenly feel stupider for giving a serious response to mosx's retorts.

 

[SkyBell]

The dealer refused to sell the part for the Prius to someone who was not a certified Prius mechanic. The part itself was cheap, it was the cost of labor.

Who the hell buys parts from the dealership? That's a guaranteed rip off right there.
As for labor, find a local mechanic that works on imports. Seriously.

 

[macbooker15]

Should I go with the entry level MACbook ALum or the New entry level non ALum Macbook? for what im going to use it for?

Thanks

I would advise an alum macbook, because i own a whitebook, and the youtube numbers he's posting are pretty accurate. also, these things are hot and loud(fan wise) as well. I have yet to get an alum macbook hot or with the ridiculously high fan noises that occur on my whitebook.

 

[hogfaninga]

I would advise an alum macbook, because i own a whitebook, and the youtube numbers he's posting are pretty accurate. also, these things are hot and loud(fan wise) as well. I have yet to get an alum macbook hot or with the ridiculously high fan noises that occur on my whitebook.

Yours is also an older white Macbook. I never get close to those numbers nor do my fans come on loud. Never on youtube. People need to state what model they have because Macbooks have been around a few years.

 

[Primejimbo]

Who the hell buys parts from the dealership? That's a guaranteed rip off right there.
As for labor, find a local mechanic that works on imports. Seriously.

There also has to be more this, I never had a dealer not sell me a part either.

 

[mosx]

Regardless, I was referring specifically to the HDX which has a powerful GPU that runs very warm, especially when under load. Secondly, I didn't make any claims about the cooling systems on either machine, so I'm not sure why you bring that up. All I claimed was that the HP is too heavy and hot to use as a laptop.

I bring up cooling systems because heat is directly related to the quality of the cooling system in the hardware.

HP systems have proper cooling systems with many vents all over the system to allow for air flow.

This leads to the fact that the HP, despite having dedicated graphics, runs cooler on your lap compared to the Mac. I know this from experience. I have an HP with dedicated graphics and I've had 3 MacBooks, including the new aluminum MacBook. The HP, with dedicated graphics, runs cooler on your lap as well as under load thanks to the proper cooling system.

Secondly, as far as weight goes, the HP HDX is no heavier than any other standard PC notebook. It is just fine as it is average weight. Somebody would have to be in a very unhealthy state to consider it to be too heavy.

Funny you should say this, the only brand of vehicles out there that I have to my special tools for were FORD.

Funny, the only cars I've dealt with that weren't a hassle to deal with were American cars and not imports

BTW what is GM's stock at and what is Toyota's stock at?

And how many Toyota's older than just a handful of years are still on the road and still running with very little maintenance?

Even my Japanese friends that live in Japan don't like Japanese cars.

Who the hell buys parts from the dealership? That's a guaranteed rip off right there.
As for labor, find a local mechanic that works on imports. Seriously.

Feel free to call AutoZone and ask them how much it costs to get a water pump for the cooling system for the hybrid electric system on a 2002 Prius.

Yours is also an older white Macbook. I never get close to those numbers nor do my fans come on loud. Never on youtube. People need to state what model they have because Macbooks have been around a few years.

It's a well known fact that Flash is terribly slow on OS X. I've had two different plastic MacBooks from two different generations and both got ridiculously hot and loud while doing anything Flash related.

The REAL difference comes from the users. Some people settle for less and don't notice the problem, like you, while others want perfection and demand quality equal to what you find in Windows, like the poster you were replying to.

There also has to be more this, I never had a dealer not sell me a part either.

I told you who to call if you'd like to confirm for yourself.

 

[Primejimbo]

Funny, the only cars I've dealt with that weren't a hassle to deal with were American cars and not imports



And how many Toyota's older than just a handful of years are still on the road and still running with very little maintenance?

I have a 98 Camry pushing 200,000 miles and since owning it, I dumped 400-500.00 for a Radiator, and a O2 senor, not bad for a car 10 yrs old (I'm not counting normal maintenance). If you read any report, ratings of vehicles out there, Toyota and Honda hold their value a lot better and THAT is a fact and cost less of ownership. Most of my contractors drive very old imports w/o problems (I think the newest one is 20 yrs old). They buy them because they last. You're also not going to see as many old imports over 20 yrs ago because they didn't has as many as they do now.
I have a long line of mechanics in my family and I was going to be one, but I took a different job. Any mechanic will tell you that if you want to make money, work on the Big 3 cars. Sadly I am a Dodge fan also and as much as I dislike Ford and GM, I would hate to see them go under.
GM quality is getting better, and I think the Malibu is a well built car, and they are finally making stuff that doesn't look like stuff they made 10 yrs ago.
BTW I went to a Toyota dealer today since I was working in the field and they said it was under 700.00 to fix it and i was 1 yr off, i just said a 2003 (because it's a Hybrid and like I said before ALL brands of hybrids cost more than a normal car) and I ask if I can buy the pump myself and the service guy said no problem, do you need it now?

 

[mosx]

I have a 98 Camry pushing 200,000 miles and since owning it, I dumped 400-500.00 for a Radiator, and a O2 senor, not bad for a car 10 yrs old (I'm not counting normal maintenance). If you read any report, ratings of vehicles out there, Toyota and Honda hold their value a lot better and THAT is a fact and cost less of ownership. Most of my contractors drive very old imports w/o problems (I think the newest one is 20 yrs old). They buy them because they last. You're also not going to see as many old imports over 20 yrs ago because they didn't has as many as they do now.
I have a long line of mechanics in my family and I was going to be one, but I took a different job. Any mechanic will tell you that if you want to make money, work on the Big 3 cars. Sadly I am a Dodge fan also and as much as I dislike Ford and GM, I would hate to see them go under.
GM quality is getting better, and I think the Malibu is a well built car, and they are finally making stuff that doesn't look like stuff they made 10 yrs ago.
BTW I went to a Toyota dealer today since I was working in the field and they said it was under 700.00 to fix it and i was 1 yr off, i just said a 2003 (because it's a Hybrid and like I said before ALL brands of hybrids cost more than a normal car) and I ask if I can buy the pump myself and the service guy said no problem, do you need it now?

Did you call Claremont Toyota? Oh you didn't? Hmmm

I've had American cars with more than 200,000 miles that were 20 years or older and had survive with just basic maintenance.

Plus all of the mechanics I personally know, as well as those who own their own businesses, recommend American cars for long term reliability.

Even better, I had a fun run in at a smog center not too long ago. I went to take a then 15 year old Chevy van to get smogged for a family member who couldn't do it. In front of me there were 4 imports, Hondas and Toyotas (Civics and Corollas) that were about the same age. Out of the 5 cars the mine was the ONLY car that passed smog. I asked the woman handling it all and she said "yeah you'd think Japanese imports are reliable given their reputation, but all those cars that are just a few years old have a lot of trouble passing smog tests".

So not only will I take an American car for long term reliability, I'll take it because they look better, run better, and they're built better That and I stay away from imports out of principle just because of the whole rice rocket scene.

 

[Molopo]

Did nobody else notice that the HP beast is almost double both the weight and thickness of the macbook? >_>

Also, you don't need a 9600GT for youtube. Honestly, if all you're going to do is surf the net and watch youtube, you really don't need anything more than a simple netbook. Even those can handle movies decently.

EDIT: lol ricerocket.

 

[sporadicMotion]

The way OS X utilizes the CPU is different from Windows... I'd be more interested in seeing how much CPU power is used by another BSD based OS... hmmmm... I'm gonna get a BSD based Live CD.

Either machine will do the job for you. Decide which OS you prefer and let that make the decision for you.

 

[Blue Velvet]

What are you guys even talking about anymore?

And how many Toyota's older than just a handful of years are still on the road and still running with very little maintenance?

This utter trainwreck of a thread is closed.