Which laptop is better for watching you tube, surfing net, watching movies?

[mosx]

Kinda like the millions of mac users without problems right?

And how would itunes cause the problem when its not even running? (neither is ituneshelper)

This is one of the problems among the Mac community. The hypocrisy that runs rampant.

Whenever a Mac user has an issue, its the users fault and NEVER the fault of the software or hardware.

When a user has problems with Windows it is absolutely NEVER the users fault and ALWAYS the fault of the OS, even when its caused by something the user did or the developer of third party software (like Apple).

 

[NT1440]

This is one of the problems among the Mac community. The hypocrisy that runs rampant.

Whenever a Mac user has an issue, its the users fault and NEVER the fault of the software or hardware.

When a user has problems with Windows it is absolutely NEVER the users fault and ALWAYS the fault of the OS, even when its caused by something the user did or the developer of third party software (like Apple).

This is why no one plays with you Mosx. For some reason your anecdotal evidence of the millions who have no problems is good enough to back you up. When the flip side happens, no OSX is just evil because it doesnt have hardware acceleration, peoples problems in windows are ALWAYS the user or the manufactuer, never windows oh no not windows.

You want to talk about hypocrisy then read your own damn posts.

Again, this is part of why no one wants to associate with you.

 

[cellocello]

What are you guys even talking about anymore?

 

[NT1440]

What are you guys even talking about anymore?

My latest post was what i decided would be my last in regards to mosx. No matter what thread he enters it always ends in OSX vs Windows.

But in case OP is still looking for advice, if you want longetivity with great reselling value down the road, go mac.

If you want to save some money and dont mind windows then get the HP.

Its your choice.

 

[tubbymac]

If you care about portability, quiet, ease of use, and are willing to pay a premium for style and design, buy the Macbook.

If all you care about is specs and which includes more features, and are more interested in a desktop replacement than a portable computer, get the HP.

 

[mosx]

This is why no one plays with you Mosx. For some reason your anecdotal evidence of the millions who have no problems is good enough to back you up. When the flip side happens, no OSX is just evil because it doesnt have hardware acceleration, peoples problems in windows are ALWAYS the user or the manufactuer, never windows oh no not windows.

You want to talk about hypocrisy then read your own damn posts.

Again, this is part of why no one wants to associate with you.

But see, its only people in this forum who don't have problems with Macs. Have you ever been to any of the other Mac related forums on the internet? You'll find endless amounts of people who have problems. Even those with random lockup issues like mine that don't affect Windows (so it's not a hardware issue).

And have you ever been to PC related forums? Go to notebookreview or even futuremark, or notebookforums. It's easy to say that all but a small number of problems actually caused by something the user did. The rest are hardware related, and those that are "caused by Windows" are only caused by Windows as a result of things being changed in the new OS and old software being incompatible.

 

[SkyBell]

But see, its only people in this forum who don't have problems with Macs. Have you ever been to any of the other Mac related forums on the internet? You'll find endless amounts of people who have problems. Even those with random lockup issues like mine that don't affect Windows (so it's not a hardware issue).

I gotta say, if you only look at Mac forums as a basis for how reliable Macs are, you may want to reconsider the way you research things...

 

[Harmless Abuse]

No... you can get viruses all over the damn place.
I have managed to go through 6 PCs before finally crying and just coming to terms with NEEDING A MAC. This mac has lasted almost 4 years now, and it still runs slower than my PCs did brand new, out of the box... nevermind how they ran ONCE THEY GOT BOGGED DOWN WITH CRAP!!!
I just find that you don't have to do nearly the same amount of MAINTENANCE on a mac to get it to work as you do with a PC. For this reason, I'd go with the mac every time... no matter how much faster the PC may or may not be.

This honestly makes me worry about what you look up online.

I have been using PCs for my entire life, and I don't think I've ever gotten more than one tiny worm which Avast! caught and deleted.

It's easy to get viruses, but it's also REALLY easy to prevent getting them. It's simple, don't go on shady sites, don't pirate, don't look up porn.

Oh ****, problem solved.

Seriously, the whole "VIRUSES" argument is sad. I like Apple, but Windows is a damn good OS and the ignorant **** about Vista just being horrible because it's "XP only it looks better" is ********, the backwards compatibility is BS, and honestly, Vista is a great OS I can get to run smoothly on a notebook with a poor processor and only 512MB RAM.

 

[paolo-]

But see, its only people in this forum who don't have problems with Macs. Have you ever been to any of the other Mac related forums on the internet? You'll find endless amounts of people who have problems. Even those with random lockup issues like mine that don't affect Windows (so it's not a hardware issue).

And have you ever been to PC related forums? Go to notebookreview or even futuremark, or notebookforums. It's easy to say that all but a small number of problems actually caused by something the user did. The rest are hardware related, and those that are "caused by Windows" are only caused by Windows as a result of things being changed in the new OS and old software being incompatible.

Other mac forums, like say apple's forum. Wow, surprise surprise that people put their problems there.

But seriously, the fact that an os crashes has way more to do with the software running on it. Both os are well made, in my opinion it's usually the drivers provided that suck in windows as somehow some computer never crash and others always do.

Osx is less likely to get a complete failure as it's modular, worse comes to worse, you usually only get a secondary app to crash that then it restarts. Where as, in windows if something in explorer crashes, the whole thing crashes. And in my experience, if one of the apps you are using on top of it crashes, the whole thing comes tumbling down.

Mind you, I've had much less trouble with mac os, the drivers are made by apple, so they are tailored to work. But, even my Compaq desktop is more stable as a hackintosh than as a windows machine.

Sad that you got a bunch of lemons in a row for your macbooks but what do you hate about os x ?

 

[lamadude]

Seriously, the whole "VIRUSES" argument is sad. I like Apple, but Windows is a damn good OS and the ignorant **** about Vista just being horrible because it's "XP only it looks better" is ********, the backwards compatibility is BS, and honestly, Vista is a great OS I can get to run smoothly on a notebook with a poor processor and only 512MB RAM.

I completely agree, I run Vista in Boot Camp on my mbp and I use it quite often even just for browsing the web. Not because I need it but because I like it. I never had a virus in over 15 years of using windows.
Plus if you really are affraid of virusses you could always install linux. Not saying that OSX is a bad choice, but the other OS'es are worthy competitors.

 

[mosx]

I gotta say, if you only look at Mac forums as a basis for how reliable Macs are, you may want to reconsider the way you research things...

Nah, I'll use my experience with 3 different MacBooks from 3 different revisions as well as my friends real world experiences with build quality and OS X issues

Other mac forums, like say apple's forum. Wow, surprise surprise that people put their problems there.

You realize that there are numerous Mac communities out there, right? Macrumors isn't the only site on the web dedicated to the Apple "community" as a whole.

But seriously, the fact that an os crashes has way more to do with the software running on it. Both os are well made, in my opinion it's usually the drivers provided that suck in windows as somehow some computer never crash and others always do.

Osx is less likely to get a complete failure as it's modular, worse comes to worse, you usually only get a secondary app to crash that then it restarts. Where as, in windows if something in explorer crashes, the whole thing crashes. And in my experience, if one of the apps you are using on top of it crashes, the whole thing comes tumbling down.

In my experience, OS X crashes completely at random. From emptying the trash with no other apps open to just moving the mouse.

Mind you, I've had much less trouble with mac os, the drivers are made by apple, so they are tailored to work. But, even my Compaq desktop is more stable as a hackintosh than as a windows machine.

Sad that you got a bunch of lemons in a row for your macbooks but what do you hate about os x ?

My MacBooks were only lemons because of Apple's build quality, the specs for the money, and OS X

What I don't like about OS X is how its made out to be better than Windows when its clearly not. How it lacks many modern technologies, like decent OpenGL/3D support and full bitstream decoding for video, and the fact that Apple thinks they can charge double what the system is worth for their logo and OS X.

 

[Luke1robb]

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...180743545861*1218014503463&catId=abcat0502003

As others have said, although the HP is better, you'll have to settle for Windows..... I say go with the MacBook.... you'll love it.

 

[VSMacOne]

I came from using Vista for 1.5 years without ANY major issues. Occasional hick-ups but nothing SERIOUS.
HOWEVER, i LOVE os x and i don't want to go back to Windows. Much easier to use, more reliable (IMO) and more practical.

 

[SkyBell]

My MacBooks were only lemons because of Apple's build quality, the specs for the money, and OS X

What I don't like about OS X is how its made out to be better than Windows when its clearly not. How it lacks many modern technologies, like decent OpenGL/3D support and full bitstream decoding for video, and the fact that Apple thinks they can charge double what the system is worth for their logo and OS X.

Well,"better" is a matter of opinion in the end. A lot of us don't need all these new technologies (hence why I still use a PowerPC Mac) and find OS X to be very stable. So to us, the benefits of OS X outweigh the benefits of Windows, and we therefore define OS X as "better". Not really a big deal in the end though, different strokes for different folks.

 

[Piaget]

If your main use for the laptop will be viewing yt videos/movies, then there is really no comparison here. Compared to the MB, the HP HDX is better in almost every way. For a lesser price, you are getting a larger and better screen (especially for blacks/shadow detail), superior audio and a far more powerful graphics chip. I've seen the HDX screens in person and they are quite impressive, rivaling the VAIO displays.

Having said that, 16" is verging on desktop replacement territory. I'm not sure how useful it will be as a mobile computer. Frankly, you could get a similarly spec'd PC desktop for even less.

As for the Windows vs. OSX issue, this is a personal issue. I definitely prefer OSX to XP and Vista, but the latter two are better than OSX for multimedia IMO. This is especially true for the HP multimedia laptops, which have their own slick packaged software that destroys Front Row (not that this is saying much). Also, in my personal experience, youtube videos seem to run better in Windows than in OSX.

I should state that there are things that I really don't like about HPs: There trackpads have way too much friction. The keyboards suck. And the laptop designs are too bulky, heavy and cheap looking. But if you want to do multimedia for a good price, HPs are the way to go.

 

[Primejimbo]

But your wife's problems were caused by bad hardware and by Apple.

It's not Windows or Microsoft's fault that Apple didn't follow standards with the iPod and that ejecting it in standard fashion that is standard across all platforms caused the database to become corrupted.

And I can tell you from experience that you WILL be burned by Toyota once you see their repair and parts costs!

That was just 1 of MANY problems. Like I said it locked up at least 3 times in 1 night, locking up, and other stuff. The ejecting part wasn't actually the problem. 1 issue it wouldn't sync up right. When she added a new CD to it, she had to drag it to the Ipod because it wouldn't sync up and when it did, it would erase the whole Ipod and she had to re-load the Ipod.
When SP1 came, we lost EVERYTHING, but I had it backed up at least. Best Buy is actually one of my contractors who work for me (my company) so they got it up and running again.

As for the repair bill for Toyota, I see no difference in price. It has over 160,000 miles and so far all it needed was a radiator (it was cheaper to fix then the Chevy) and a o2 sensor (that was 5.00 more... wow that is a lot more). They days of imports being more expensive are long gone because Toyota manufacturer part here now also. Oh and the tune up for the Toyota was a LOT cheaper.

 

[mosx]

Well,"better" is a matter of opinion in the end. A lot of us don't need all these new technologies (hence why I still use a PowerPC Mac) and find OS X to be very stable. So to us, the benefits of OS X outweigh the benefits of Windows, and we therefore define OS X as "better". Not really a big deal in the end though, different strokes for different folks.

New technologies?

Like hardware acceleration for video? Windows has been doing that since well before Mac OS even had pre-emptive multi-tasking

You might like OS X better than Windows, but theres no denying that its very far behind Windows when it comes to key technologies that are very important to most people and make life better for people on a daily basis.

Having said that, 16" is verging on desktop replacement territory. I'm not sure how useful it will be as a mobile computer. Frankly, you could get a similarly spec'd PC desktop for even less.

The HDX systems are great as portables. One could argue they're better than MacBooks because they have a wider body making it easier to use as a "laptop".

The keyboards suck.

HP's keyboards are WAY better than Apple's chiclet keyboards. Everyone I know that has a MacBook of any generation can't stand the keyboard. They make all kinds of errors typing and it slows them down signficantly. HP's keyboard works more like a standard desktop keyboard and its a lot easier to type a lot faster on it.

the laptop designs are too bulky

That comes with having more powerful hardware, standard connectivity and ports, as well as a proper cooling system

heavy and cheap looking

Cheap looking? Like I said before, Apple apparently didn't think so, considering the new MB and MBP are modeled after the dv6000 series design that HP had used for several years.

Like I said it locked up at least 3 times in 1 night, locking up, and other stuff.

Hardware issues. Windows does NOT lock up like OS X does.

The ejecting part wasn't actually the problem. 1 issue it wouldn't sync up right. When she added a new CD to it, she had to drag it to the Ipod because it wouldn't sync up and when it did, it would erase the whole Ipod and she had to re-load the Ipod.

For one, it's "iPod" not "Ipod".

Second, thats user error right there. You obviously changed settings in iTunes and/or you didn't properly sync the unit when bringing it over to the PC for the first time.

You can blame ALL of that on Apple, not Windows. iTunes completely controls how the iPod is synced and what happens to the music on it.

That is absolutely 100% NOT Windows fault.

When SP1 came, we lost EVERYTHING, but I had it backed up at least. Best Buy is actually one of my contractors who work for me (my company) so they got it up and running again.

Funny, I upgraded about 30 PCs with no problem.

 

[Primejimbo]

I had a family member just pay almost $700 to replace a water pump for the cooling system because Toyota refused to sell the part to a non-certifed mechanic.

700?? WOW that person got ripped off. You can buy a water pump for a Toyota in any auto part store:

http://www.autozone.com/addVehicleI...nitialN,16300095/shopping/vehicleSelected.htm

The cheapest 1 is under $30.00 and the most expensive one is under $100.00
I called my buddy who is a Certified mechanic said it would be about $400.00 to install it if you want someone to install it (and about the price for most cars, and about that price for my moms Impalla)

Even for a BMW M3 and it's under 500.00, and that is NOT a cheap car (you can get 1 for under $160.00 also)
http://www.autozone.com/addVehicleI...nitialN,16300095/shopping/vehicleSelected.htm

Here is 1 for a Porsche
http://www.autozone.com/addVehicleI...nitialN,16300095/shopping/vehicleSelected.htm
I picked Autozone because they are not the cheapest place around, I even found the dealer cheaper at times on parts.
Sorry I don't believe you or maybe that family member got taken or is bending the truth a little.

 

[Piaget]

The HDX systems are great as portables. One could argue they're better than MacBooks because they have a wider body making it easier to use as a "laptop".

HP's keyboards are WAY better than Apple's chiclet keyboards. Everyone I know that has a MacBook of any generation can't stand the keyboard. They make all kinds of errors typing and it slows them down signficantly. HP's keyboard works more like a standard desktop keyboard and its a lot easier to type a lot faster on it.

Cheap looking? Like I said before, Apple apparently didn't think so, considering the new MB and MBP are modeled after the dv6000 series design that HP had used for several years.

If you are going to argue that the HDX is a better mobile device than the MB, then you are fighting a losing battle. Like I said, the HDX is better than the MB in many ways, but mobility is not one of them. It might be wider, but it's much heavier not to mention hotter on the lap.

The rest of your response to my comments are really personal tastes, so not much to argue about. I will just respond that:

1. "Everyone I know that has a MacBook of any generation can't stand the keyboard. They make all kinds of errors typing and it slows them down signficantly..." --> is clearly not true for everyone. But to each his own.

2. "he new MB and MBP are modeled after the dv6000 series design.." --> I would say the older VAIOs are a better choice, but regardless, in MY opinion, Apple's finish blows any past "inspirations" out of the water. I am definitely not alone in this (read pretty much professional review_.

 

[Primejimbo]

If you are going to argue that the HDX is a better mobile device than the MB, then you are fighting a losing battle. Like I said, the HDX is better than the MB in many ways, but mobility is not one of them. It might be wider, but it's much heavier not to mention hotter on the lap.

The rest of your response to my comments are really personal tastes, so not much to argue about. I will just respond that:

1. "Everyone I know that has a MacBook of any generation can't stand the keyboard. They make all kinds of errors typing and it slows them down signficantly..." --> is clearly not true for everyone. But to each his own.

2. "he new MB and MBP are modeled after the dv6000 series design.." --> I would say the older VAIOs are a better choice, but regardless, in MY opinion, Apple's finish blows any past "inspirations" out of the water. I am definitely not alone in this (read pretty much professional review_.

You are correct!! It's all in taste and I for one LOVE the keyboard and was a selling point when I got my Macbook. I fount it easier to type with also and I work on a Dell all day at work.

 

[mosx]

700?? WOW that person got ripped off. You can buy a water pump for a Toyota in any auto part store

The dealer refused to sell the part for the Prius to someone who was not a certified Prius mechanic. The part itself was cheap, it was the cost of labor.

Sorry I don't believe you or maybe that family member got taken or is bending the truth a little.

Nope. Call up Claremont Toyota and ask them for yourself how much it would be to get a water pump for the hybrid electrical system replaced.

Claremont Toyota is in California by the way.

Like I said, the HDX is better than the MB in many ways, but mobility is not one of them. It might be wider, but it's much heavier not to mention hotter on the lap.

Hotter? hah! You've never used a PC notebook have you? PC notebooks are CONSIDERABLY cooler on the lap compared to Apple's.

Granted my aluminum MacBook runs very significantly cooler than my plastic one did (which got so hot it would be painful to touch for more than a couple of seconds), it still doesn't run anywhere near as cool as my HP with dedicated graphics.

Why? The cooling system. The new MacBook and MacBook Pro still do NOT have realistic cooling systems. The HPs DO have cooling systems that pull the heat up and away from the user.

"Everyone I know that has a MacBook of any generation can't stand the keyboard. They make all kinds of errors typing and it slows them down signficantly..." --> is clearly not true for everyone. But to each his own.

It would explain why HP sells more than twice as many units as Apple

I would say the older VAIOs are a better choice, but regardless, in MY opinion, Apple's finish blows any past "inspirations" out of the water. I am definitely not alone in this (read pretty much professional review_.

Because somehow a "professional review" opinion is more valid than the average users?

How do you know the new MacBook "blows past" the designs that inspired it? You made it very clear that you've never used a PC notebook. I have the dv6500t, the CLEAR inspiration for the new MacBook. That notebook has a much better keyboard, proper cooling system, and it has standard ports and connectivity. None of this mini-display port nonsense.

 

[Primejimbo]

The dealer refused to sell the part for the Prius to someone who was not a certified Prius mechanic. The part itself was cheap, it was the cost of labor.



Nope. Call up Claremont Toyota and ask them for yourself how much it would be to get a water pump for the hybrid electrical system replaced.

Claremont Toyota is in California by the way.

I said in my last post my mom got charged about 400.00 for a water pump to install that, it was 100.00 for the part, so that's about 500.00 and some change. Not really too far off from a hybrid car that is much harder to work on and yes all hybrid cars are more money to work on, not just Toyota. If I knew it was a hybrid at 1st, I would have agreed with you.
I called my brothers friend who is a mechanic for Ford and asked him how much it was for a Tribute Hybrid to replace a water pump and it's over 700.00 also and a regular Ford Tribute is about 500.00, so it's not just Toyota who charge a lot for a Hybrid car. Hybrids are a whole different animal and yes they are more to work on NO matter who makes them. It use to be a mechanic had to be certified on that alone (like the Dodge Viper mechanics and the dealer had to be Viper certified to even sell them and have a Viper Mechanic on site), I'm not sure if they are still like that since the they hybrids been out for a while now.
We have a Chevy Silverado "Hybrid" at work and an alternator and water pump for that was NOT cheap. The water pump alone was over 900.00 to fix.

 

[mosx]

I said in my last post my mom got charged about 400.00 for a water pump to install that, it was 100.00 for the part, so that's about 500.00 and some change. Not really too far off from a hybrid car that is much harder to work on and yes all hybrid cars are more money to work on, not just Toyota. If I knew it was a hybrid at 1st, I would have agreed with you.
I called my brothers friend who is a mechanic for Ford and asked him how much it was for a Tribute Hybrid to replace a water pump and it's over 700.00 also and a regular Ford Tribute is about 500.00, so it's not just Toyota who charge a lot for a Hybrid car. Hybrids are a whole different animal and yes they are more to work on NO matter who makes them. It use to be a mechanic had to be certified on that alone (like the Dodge Viper mechanics and the dealer had to be Viper certified to even sell them and have a Viper Mechanic on site), I'm not sure if they are still like that since the they hybrids been out for a while now.
We have a Chevy Silverado "Hybrid" at work and an alternator and water pump for that was NOT cheap. The water pump alone was over 900.00 to fix.

But at least with American cars (like PCs) you can go buy the parts and fix them yourself

With a Mac (import) you're pretty much SOL and at the mercy of the dealer/manufacturer.

 

[NT1440]

Hotter? hah! You've never used a PC notebook have you? PC notebooks are CONSIDERABLY cooler on the lap compared to Apple's.

Wow, not a massive generalization at all? right.

 

[PeterQC]

With a Mac (import) you're pretty much SOL and at the mercy of the dealer/manufacturer.

Isn't it true about almost every notebook anyway?