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get the aluminium one , better graphics card by far which will help , a lot , the white is losing resale value new un used in the box! imo , because Apple have moved over to all alu now when the plastic runs out I suppose the white will be gone ?

yeah , good discount , get the alu , the white is already old is what I'm trying to say

luck

rj


as for OS X and flash > arggh!
 
So mosx, what hardware issue causes my explorer to crash CONSTANTLY?

Well, as I said, Toshiba is known for its downright terrible build quality and the fact that Toshiba has probably the worst driver support in the entire industry.

It's most likely the fact that you have some sort of hardware failure or they shipped a bad driver and never updated it.
 
Your wife's Vista issues are the result of hardware issues.

The only way Vista will lock up is if there is failing hardare.

Failing to wake up properly is also a hardware issue.

Let's not forget that the new MacBooks and MacBook Pros have confirmed issues with coming out of sleep mode. I've already had one instance where my MacBook would not wake up and I had to force shut down and restart.

Vista likes iPods just fine. I use my 80GB 5.5G with my Vista PC all the time. I've also had to use it to sync my 8GB 3G nano and iPhone during all the trips my MacBooks made out to Apple's repair facility.

It sounds to me like your wife just has hardware issues that need to be resolved. Thats the only way to explain the locking up and sleep issues.

Ipod and Vista issues:

http://www.ivirtuaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=8529

http://www.macworld.com/article/57818/2007/05/vistaipodfix.html

http://www.google.com/search?q=vist...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Now the issues my be fixed now, but it was so bad at 1 time she wanted to throw the Ipod across the room.

Now my wifes old Vista may have hardware issues, but it was still a turn off.
 
Well, as I said, Toshiba is known for its downright terrible build quality and the fact that Toshiba has probably the worst driver support in the entire industry.

It's most likely the fact that you have some sort of hardware failure or they shipped a bad driver and never updated it.

:rolleyes:

Why in the world would failed hardware crash EXPLORER? I can understand wireless dropping out or sound not working because if the drivers are bad they just wont work. Explorer on the other hand is just a main part of the OS.

And I have the same problem on my other Toshiba, as well as a dell laptop.

Ipod and Vista issues:

http://www.ivirtuaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=8529

http://www.macworld.com/article/57818/2007/05/vistaipodfix.html

http://www.google.com/search?q=vist...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Now the issues my be fixed now, but it was so bad at 1 time she wanted to throw the Ipod across the room.

Now my wifes old Vista may have hardware issues, but it was still a turn off.

To be fair those issues are really old and taken care of (they shouldnt have been there in the first place tho).

I sometimes have problems with connecting my ipod, but Im certain that falls on my ipod being jailbroken and itunes.
 
To be fair those issues are really old and taken care of (they shouldnt have been there in the first place tho).

I sometimes have problems with connecting my ipod, but Im certain that falls on my ipod being jailbroken and itunes.

Well she had the issued til she got stopped using it (about 2-3 months ago). Once we transferred her Itunes to the new Macbook she never had a problem since, we thought it was the Ipod for a while.
 
Well she had the issued til she got stopped using it (about 2-3 months ago). Once we transferred her Itunes to the new Macbook she never had a problem since.

well come on man, itunes on the mac? thats just gonna blow itunes on windows out of the water.
 
Ipod and Vista issues:

http://www.ivirtuaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=8529

http://www.macworld.com/article/57818/2007/05/vistaipodfix.html

http://www.google.com/search?q=vist...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Now the issues my be fixed now, but it was so bad at 1 time she wanted to throw the Ipod across the room.

Now my wifes old Vista may have hardware issues, but it was still a turn off.

Thats nearly 2 year old information. The problem was with iTunes and the way Apple handles the iTunesDB on the iPod. The iPod would erase the database file upon ejecting from explorer rather than iTunes. Even before Microsoft patched its own OS for a competitors product (something they didn't have to do), all you had to do was eject the iPod from iTunes.

I've used 4 iPods on iTunes, and I had 2 at the launch of Vista and I NEVER had a problem because I saw Apple's warning that you had to eject from iTunes. It was purely iTunes and Apple's fault, but Microsoft helped fix the issue as well.

Keep in mind that Apple seems to deliberately make their Windows products worse. iTunes wouldn't even run on Vista for how many weeks after Vista was available? And only recently did they finally release a Windows 64 compatible version of iTunes.

And look at video playback in iTunes on Windows. Its terrible. Theres no reason for that when you consider Windows has system wide hardware acceleration. Theres no reason Apple can't shave out all of their video code ported from OS X and simply write a few lines of code that basically say "hand off video to GPU"

:rolleyes:

Why in the world would failed hardware crash EXPLORER? I can understand wireless dropping out or sound not working because if the drivers are bad they just wont work. Explorer on the other hand is just a main part of the OS.

And I have the same problem on my other Toshiba, as well as a dell laptop.

Failing hardware can cause Explorer to crash the same way failing hardware causes OS X to have kernel panics.
 
No offense, but if you're using 95 and 98SE then the hardware that would actually run those OSes has got to be VERY old. Windows 95 drivers for hardware disappeared about 10 years ago, while 98SE drivers disappeared around 5 years ago. Its not unreasonable to expect failures of any kind in software when running on hardware that old because its going to become unstable.

I'm not here "bashing" OS X at all. I'm just correcting the lies stated by earlier posts.

Notice that I mostly referenced XP in my post, 95/98 obviously have the near cliche Windows issues.

And while some of the statements made in this thread may be exaggerations, they're not "lies" per se. And at the same time, you don't need to exclaim how much better Windows is then OS X, some of the statements you made concerning that matter seem to be exaggerations themselves.
 
No offense, but if you're using 95 and 98SE then the hardware that would actually run those OSes has got to be VERY old. Windows 95 drivers for hardware disappeared about 10 years ago, while 98SE drivers disappeared around 5 years ago. Its not unreasonable to expect failures of any kind in software when running on hardware that old because its going to become unstable.

I'm not here "bashing" OS X at all. I'm just correcting the lies stated by earlier posts.

I hate to add fuel to the fire, but I'm going to do it anyway :)

I find that OS X is far superior to windows in nearly every respect. It seems just false to claim that Windows is a more secure OS. Sure, you may have to click a few times to infect your system, but that's still one threat that is almost non-existent in OS X. Moreover, you're protected against most malware/trojans on a Mac. For a very simple example, at my university, if you're running Windows, then it is mandatory to install both an anti-virus program and an internet security utility, or else you cannot connect to the network. If you're running either Linux or OS X, you don't have to do either. The last Dell computer I owned contracted a worm by just plugging in the ethernet cord!

That said, an even greater selling point is the ease of use with OS X. I had to install a program on a friends computer (Vista) and I almost shot myself with the 10 different pop-ups! It's also worth noting that you need to restart the system for any minor change you make!

Now, concerning the OP's question, I think these computers are really quite different. Yes, the HP has more 'power', but it's also larger, heavier, uglier, and less durable. IMO, 13.3" and 16" is almost incomparable because they serve distinct purposes. One is a media-centre of sorts, and the other is a mobile-portable (not an ultraportable - that's 3lb). Just my $0.02 anyway...
 
Well she had the issued til she got stopped using it (about 2-3 months ago). Once we transferred her Itunes to the new Macbook she never had a problem since, we thought it was the Ipod for a while.

You never ran Windows update or updated iTunes?

She never ejected the iPod from iTunes rather than explorer? I mean, ejecting the iPod from iTunes is considerably easier than ejecting from Explorer or Finder.
 
Thats nearly 2 year old information. The problem was with iTunes and the way Apple handles the iTunesDB on the iPod. The iPod would erase the database file upon ejecting from explorer rather than iTunes. Even before Microsoft patched its own OS for a competitors product (something they didn't have to do), all you had to do was eject the iPod from iTunes.

I've used 4 iPods on iTunes, and I had 2 at the launch of Vista and I NEVER had a problem because I saw Apple's warning that you had to eject from iTunes. It was purely iTunes and Apple's fault, but Microsoft helped fix the issue as well.

Keep in mind that Apple seems to deliberately make their Windows products worse. iTunes wouldn't even run on Vista for how many weeks after Vista was available? And only recently did they finally release a Windows 64 compatible version of iTunes.

And look at video playback in iTunes on Windows. Its terrible. Theres no reason for that when you consider Windows has system wide hardware acceleration. Theres no reason Apple can't shave out all of their video code ported from OS X and simply write a few lines of code that basically say "hand off video to GPU"


see post #82 lol
She always downloaded the updates right away and she had issues till she stopped using it about 2-3 months ago.
 
Failing hardware can cause Explorer to crash the same way failing hardware causes OS X to have kernel panics.

No im not getting a lockup or anything, just explorer.exe has stopped resonding--> click close--> screen without taskbar and icons for 15 seconds---> functional again, albeit sound controls dont work (thats a toshiba issue, i know).

I get the same thing on three laptops. It doesnt crash randomly, only when switching from larger apps like itunes or firefox to smaller ones like aim IF I CHANGE TABS IN THE TASKBAR.

Sometimes the task bar sits there frozen for hours without me knowing until i look at the time and its way off in the past.
 
I jumped over to youtube, clicked a video and opened up Activity Monitor. I have a 2.16 Core 2 Duo with 3 gigs of ram, and Safari is using between 55% and 70% of my CPU power. If I have the tab hidden, it still uses around 20%.

55-70% of one core, ie 22.5-35% of your total CPU

Although, yes, Flash Player is a little slower overall on OS X vs. Windows
 
And while some of the statements made in this thread may be exaggerations, they're not "lies" per se. And at the same time, you don't need to exclaim how much better Windows is then OS X, some of the statements you made concerning that matter seem to be exaggerations themselves.

Thats not true at all. I have had OS X crash more than I have ever had Windows crash, and I've been using Windows about as long as you've been alive ;) while I've only used OS X for a couple of years now.

It seems just false to claim that Windows is a more secure OS.

Nobody did such a thing.

What was said was that Windows is far more secure than people here made it out to be.

People here spread all kinds of lies about how easy it is to get a virus and what they said and implied was simply not true. With Vista a user has to actively download, install, and run the virus to become infected.

Sure, you may have to click a few times to infect your system, but that's still one threat that is almost non-existent in OS X.

If someone can go through the trouble it takes to infect Vista then they can surely screw up OS X in one way or another.

For a very simple example, at my university, if you're running Windows, then it is mandatory to install both an anti-virus program and an internet security utility, or else you cannot connect to the network.

Then your IT department at your university needs to come out of the 90s and realize things are significantly different now.

The last Dell computer I owned contracted a worm by just plugging in the ethernet cord!

The same way I had OS X crash just by moving the mouse ;)

That said, an even greater selling point is the ease of use with OS X. I had to install a program on a friends computer (Vista) and I almost shot myself with the 10 different pop-ups!

But at least you get a real uninstaller with Windows. With OS X, when you trash the app, you get all kinds of config and .plist files left behind in hundreds of different folders you have to search for and destroy.

And a lot of OS X programs have Windows style installer as well.

It's also worth noting that you need to restart the system for any minor change you make!

Absolutely NOT true. The only time I have to restart Vista on my HP is when I update iTunes (come on Apple, stop being ridiculous with this) or I get major updates via Windows Update (no different than restarts required in OS X for the same thing).

Now, concerning the OP's question, I think these computers are really quite different. Yes, the HP has more 'power', but it's also larger, heavier, uglier, and less durable. IMO, 13.3" and 16" is almost incomparable because they serve distinct purposes. One is a media-centre of sorts, and the other is a mobile-portable (not an ultraportable - that's 3lb). Just my $0.02 anyway...

Uglier? The current MacBook and MacBook Pro are modeled after HP's old designs!

Larger? Yes. But you get hardware thats actually worth your money. You get what you pay for. Significantly more powerful GPU, standard ports and options that Macs still don't have, etc.

Less durable? hah. Sorry, that makes me laugh. My plastic HP is every bit as durable as my aluminum MacBook. And I don't have to worry about corrosion, denting, scratching, etc. Also, even though the top part of the case (keyboard, "unibody") is strong, the bottom and top over the LCD are "soft" and not anywhere near as strong as my plastic HP.

No im not getting a lockup or anything, just explorer.exe has stopped resonding--> click close--> screen without taskbar and icons for 15 seconds---> functional again, albeit sound controls dont work (thats a toshiba issue, i know).

I get the same thing on three laptops. It doesnt crash randomly, only when switching from larger apps like itunes or firefox to smaller ones like aim IF I CHANGE TABS IN THE TASKBAR.

If you're getting the same error on three different unrelated systems then the error is being caused by the user.
 
If you're getting the same error on three different unrelated systems then the error is being caused by the user.

oh yes, i forgot i had written a program specifically to crash explorer 15 times a day (i had a tally for the first two months and that was the average) purely just to annoy the **** out of me.

Is my error choosing to switch tabs in the taskbar? Oh no! using it as its designed to work?? cant do that its a user error!

Funny how I can accept that that OSX does indeed have flaws, yet for some reason you can just dismiss this one as user error.

I personally have reformatted each hard drive and installed Vista several times on these machines. Every thing ive done has not fixed it.
 
oh yes, i forgot i had written a program specifically to crash explorer 15 times a day (i had a tally for the first two months and that was the average) purely just to annoy the **** out of me.

Is my error choosing to switch tabs in the taskbar? Oh no! using it as its designed to work?? cant do that its a user error!

Funny how I can accept that that OSX does indeed have flaws, yet for some reason you can just dismiss this one as user error.

I personally have reformatted each hard drive and installed Vista several times on these machines. Every thing ive done has not fixed it.

You've obviously installed something that causes Explorer to crash. Theres no way around that. If the entire system was locking up then it would be a hardware issue. If it was just crashing on one system but not three, then it could be a hardware issue too. But if you're having it crash on 3 different systems then you're obviously running something thats causing it to crash.


I think this


and this are related.;)

Yeah, because the user moving a mouse can crash the OS ;)

Having a piece of the OS crash is considerably different than having an entire system lockup like I've experienced. Funny thing is on all of the Macs I've owned, it has ONLY been OS X crashing while Windows was rock solid on the same machine.
 
Funny thing is on all of the Macs I've owned, it has ONLY been OS X crashing while Windows was rock solid on the same machine.

Well, I'm sorry you've had that happen to you. But, seems to me, most people experience the opposite. I guess you must be the exception.:p

Seriously though, some people have good experiences with OS X, other's don't. It's all about luck. (and perhaps karma ;))
 
You've obviously installed something that causes Explorer to crash. Theres no way around that. If the entire system was locking up then it would be a hardware issue. If it was just crashing on one system but not three, then it could be a hardware issue too. But if you're having it crash on 3 different systems then you're obviously running something thats causing it to crash.

Well seeing as theres no bloatware on my computer after the reformat heres the things i have installed that werent already there:

AIM
Itunes
Firefox
Office


Yes I know its a huge list an all, but if you dont mind telling me which one you think interferes with explorer, running or not.
 


Well, I'm sorry you've had that happen to you. But, seems to me, most people experience the opposite. I guess you must be the exception.:p

Seriously though, some people have good experiences with OS X, other's don't. It's all about luck. (and perhaps karma ;))

I agree and I am not "loyal" to Apple either and I was a Window fan for many years. The only thing I am loyal to is my wallet :D
 
Well seeing as theres no bloatware on my computer after the reformat heres the things i have installed that werent already there:

AIM
Itunes
Firefox
Office


Yes I know its a huge list an all, but if you dont mind telling me which one you think interferes with explorer, running or not.

Probably iTunes. Apple just ports software from OS X to Windows, which explains why it both looks and runs terrible in Windows.

Obviously its silly to believe its a Windows issue and not caused by an outside factor when hundreds of millions of people use Vista on a daily basis with absolutely no problems whatsoever. I've used Vista on more Macs and PCs than you are currently and I've yet to encounter a single problem with it.

So its either something you have installed or bad hardware, which is likely considering you said you own two Toshibas.
 
Probably iTunes. Apple just ports software from OS X to Windows, which explains why it both looks and runs terrible in Windows.

Obviously its silly to believe its a Windows issue and not caused by an outside factor when hundreds of millions of people use Vista on a daily basis with absolutely no problems whatsoever. I've used Vista on more Macs and PCs than you are currently and I've yet to encounter a single problem with it.

So its either something you have installed or bad hardware, which is likely considering you said you own two Toshibas.

Kinda like the millions of mac users without problems right?;)

And how would itunes cause the problem when its not even running? (neither is ituneshelper)
 
Then why didn't you get a far more powerful PC for less money? ;)

Because I didn't want Windows, I got sick of fighting my wifes old laptop and decided to move on. Its like getting a Chevy Cavalier, you're going to get more for your money with that then with an Toyota Camry. Now I been burned many times by GM and I now have a Toyota.
Like I said, my XP still runs (somewhat) but I wanted something new. I have may friends who have a Mac and never complain about it (and the 1 friend complains about EVERYTHING) so I figured I would try it out and I don't regret it.
 
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