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A question that I have is how LG have been shipping what is essentially a Thunderbolt 3 dock with full power delivery capability since December in the form of its UltraFine 5K display*, and CalDigit, OWC et al. have nothing to show a third of a year later.

If I was them - I had a working product, but that Intel would not certify for whatever reason - I would be shipping regardless, without certification.

*Insofar that it is turning a Thunderbolt 3 connection into two almost 4K, 60Hz, 10-bit video streams, plus a USB 3.0 hub, webcam, microphone, and audio, whilst providing 85W of power delivery.
Unfortunately I don't know specifics about certification process so I might be totally wrong on this one but I have a gut feeling that this is not Intel who does not certify Thunderbolt 3 docks otherwise there should've been no PC laptop Thunderbolt 3 docks out there... I believe this is Apple monopolizing access to MacBook Thunderbolt 3 devices market. If you look at the situation under this light, seeing LG UltraFine 5K display being certified half a year before any other similar device is quite telling this is either preferential treatment from Apple or inside knowledge (aka it's not delivering power per TB3 standards but rather in a proprietary Apple way). This is totally speculation but I just cannot believe LG has more expertise in TB3 devices (having had no experience with such devices I believe) than Akitio, OWC, CalDigit etc etc altogether.
 
I believe this is a USB-C hub, not a Thunderbolt 3 dock. 4-8 times less throughput (depends if it's a USB 3.1 gen 1 or gen 2 USB-C hub) and less power delivery capabilities.
Could be. I'm pretty sure I don't need the throughput of full on TB3. I'm just looking for all the ports, but I see how full TB3 for graphics or high speed storage could be essential for some.
 
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if you don't mind me asking when did you pre-order? I preordered 8 jan 2017, and only notice I received was about a month ago saying shipment was to be delayed until mid may...just curious. thx

I ordered in February. But I sent them an email asking when the product will ship. I did not get an answer to this email, but soon afterwards the refund happened.

Power delivery (60W) with the HP dock and dual Displayport with the Startech adapter with the "old" TI chipset work just fine. Which means: I also do not understand what the problem is. Especially if "old" chipset is no problem at all when using Bootcamp...
 
A question that I have is how LG have been shipping what is essentially a Thunderbolt 3 dock with full power delivery capability since December in the form of its UltraFine 5K display*, and CalDigit, OWC et al. have nothing to show a third of a year later.
To be fair that isn't entirely new. We've seen it with TB1 and TB2 too with TB1 being the worst (it took more than a year after announcement). At least it all still is being shipped sooner than the dock from Sonnet which took more than 2 years (midway they changed from TB1 to TB2)!

If I was them - I had a working product, but that Intel would not certify for whatever reason - I would be shipping regardless, without certification.
They probably would if that were possible.

Unfortunately I don't know specifics about certification process so I might be totally wrong on this one but I have a gut feeling that this is not Intel who does not certify Thunderbolt 3 docks otherwise there should've been no PC laptop Thunderbolt 3 docks out there...
I highly doubt those are proper TB3 docks because most of them are using the TI82 chip that isn't an official TB3 chip (Texas Instruments has said this in several posts on their own forum). It is more luck that they fully work.

If you look at the situation under this light, seeing LG UltraFine 5K display being certified half a year before any other similar device is quite telling this is either preferential treatment from Apple or inside knowledge (aka it's not delivering power per TB3 standards but rather in a proprietary Apple way).
It's a possibility because Apple and Intel are very close. The CPU for the very first MacBook Air generation was a custom build from Intel for Apple only and Apple was the first one to use the Nehalem CPUs in their machines so it wouldn't be the first time. Another possibility could be that they simply started way sooner than the others did so they are done sooner with the process (or the process was quicker because hardly anyone applied).
 
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The Elgato Thunderbolt 3 dock (with 85W power delivery) is listed as being released on May 1st on Amazon UK (and you're able to order it to deliver a couple of days after). :eek:

Hopefully the floodgates are about to open!

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Caldigit has a promotion right now: free upgrade to 2M cable. Hope this gets extended to all preorderers.
 
Elgato models will probably be sold in local Apple Store as well. That said, Amazon reviews for the TB2 version are all over the place. To be fair, many of the complaints are around lack of dual monitor output (that all TB1/2 docks lack, and addressed on TB3 docks).
 
Man that thing is way too skinny for the amount of stuff in there.

Anyway, another video, Brand new:


Don't click if you're expecting him to actually plug it in lol.
 
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There was nothing hands on about that annoying video.

I don't see a cable connected to his MacBook Pro at the end where it says after OWC. Wow, so it a wireless TB3 dock...j/k
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Man that thing is way too skinny for the amount of stuff in there.

Anyway, another video, Brand new:

Don't click if you're expecting him to actually plug it in lol.

Thanks for the warning. I think it might actually be impressive to make a 17 minute video and never use the device.
 
I was tired to wait so I cancelled my order from OWC and ordered the CalDigit TS3 lite from Amazon.
I works very well, I have two 4k monitors at 60Hz plugged, 3 hard drives plugged (one is 3.0, two are 3.1) and the Ethernet is really fast.
 
I've been eyeing this one:
https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/02/mantiz-venus-egpu-macbook-pro-video/

It's not a "dock" in the traditional sense, but it does provide 5x USB-A ports, and ethernet, as well as a slot inside the case for another HDD via SATA(?). I got a response from the manufacturer that it does work even without a GPU inserted, though I'd probably look at getting one of those not long after.

A big plus point is that it does give 87w power charging to the MBP. Not released yet! But seeing as how they've given out a few review units, it may be coming soon?
 
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I've been eyeing this one:
https://9to5mac.com/2017/05/02/mantiz-venus-egpu-macbook-pro-video/

It's not a "dock" in the traditional sense, but it does provide 5x USB-A ports, and ethernet, as well as a slot inside the case for another HDD via SATA(?). I got a response from the manufacturer that it does work even without a GPU inserted, though I'd probably look at getting one of those not long after.

A big plus point is that it does give 87w power charging to the MBP. Not released yet! But seeing as how they've given out a few review units, it may be coming soon?

Paging @theitsage. He is very familiar with these units.
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Caldigit online support:

Madness.

Anywho I have been checking my power usage with iStat before the trial ran out. Sho nuff, I never really averaged more than 40 watts usage in my day to day workflow. The OWC and other such 60w docks might be viable options for 15" MBP after all.

I still think Caldigit will be the best option though...
 
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