"Whiner" closing the loop - iPhone fixed

[Cubs08]

I don't know what else I could bring up though. The phone otherwise is fine. There's a dead obvious problem with my phone's antenna, but everything else is perfect.

Did you call Apple customer service and go through their suggested fixes? That seemed important to the process.

BTW, the genius never told me to buy a case. That was interesting.

 

[darknyt]

There is no scientific methodology for that poll, there is likely no way to prevent people from overvoting, and there is no way to know if anyone who voted even had an iPhone 4.

For any form or purpose it was absolutely worthwhile.

However if you want to claim 16k people out of 2 million had some form of problem with their iphone, go for it. That still does not support the idea that there was some sort of design flaw.

No one ever claimed there was anything remotely "scientific" about the poll.

There actually are moderate safeguards to prevent overvoting which you would know if you actually read my post and tried to double vote. Did you? Thought not.

I pointed out the poll (from one site), as a rebuttal of the "few" comment as only a single touchpoint in a firestorm raging across the internet on this and other issues.

I make no pretense that I somehow know if it was a design flaw, I state there were "issues". I can only observe as others have and that observation does not square at all with the words coming out of Cupertino.

I personally don't see the "fix" as anything but an admission Apple has been fleecing/abetting fleecing its customers all along with regards to signal transparency.

 

[Slip Jigs]

This sounds like a new problem. The OP said he didn't suffer from the grip issue, just lousy connection period.

So far, we haven't heard of anyone with the grip drop getting a replacement phone that works.

Also, I woild wait a few days before declaring it as working. My didn't display it right away.

 

[Ronnoco]

No one ever claimed there was anything remotely "scientific" about the poll.

There actually are moderate safeguards to prevent overvoting which you would know if you actually read my post and tried to double vote. Did you? Thought not.

I pointed out the poll (from one site), as a rebuttal of the "few" comment as only a single touchpoint in a firestorm raging across the internet on this and other issues.

I make no pretense that I somehow know if it was a design flaw, I state there were "issues". I can only observe as others have and that observation does not square at all with the words coming out of Cupertino.

I personally don't see the "fix" as anything but an admission Apple has been fleecing/abetting fleecing its customers all along with regards to signal transparency.

The signal bars (a leftover from the analog phone days) are ridiculous anyway as they are fairly useless on a digital phone. I think they will change to a small LED either being green or red as the digital signal is either there or its not (off or on), perhaps it will blink amber as you leave a service area or move between towers...but seriously, the "analog" bars are useless and have been for years. This goes for ALL providers and phones today, not just AT&T and Apple's...

 

[jonstatt]

The signal bars (a leftover from the analog phone days) are ridiculous anyway as they are fairly useless on a digital phone. I think they will change to a small LED either being green or red as the digital signal is either there or its not (off or on), perhaps it will blink amber as you leave a service area or move between towers...but seriously, the "analog" bars are useless and have been for years. This goes for ALL providers and phones today, not just AT&T and Apple's...

Another one who listened to the podcast..but they are wrong! Signal readings are more than valid in the digital world as long as the bars are properly represented at the right readings. Yes, digital is either received or not. And that reception may involve error correction. But a meaningful signal reading, helps the user determine whether they are at risk of call or data drops. For example, if I am waiting for an urgent call and I notice there is only 1 bar, then I will avoid putting my phone in my pocket where I will shield the signal.

The problem with the iPhone is the bars are meaningless because they do not represent the right levels that they should do. As another poster pointed out, 1 bar is actually quite strong on an iPhone. So 1 should be positioned down a bit lower...and the others stretched out over a wider scale. Also data rates do slow typically on 1 or 2 bars of signal due to the fact that more error correction typically takes place with a weaker signal.

However, if you start having a green light for good signal, yellow light for marginal, and red for no signal..then you might as well just have the bars back again, but make them meaningful!!

Imagine calibrating digital satellite TV this way, with only green and red...it would be a disaster. By knowing the signal quality as you align the dish, you can determine the set-ups resiliance to poorer conditions such as bad weather.

 

[jonstatt]

On another point....there are people with week 26 phones claiming to have the reception issue. So if there are variances in the phone, I do not believe we have reached a point yet where you can say all new stock is "fixed" in some way. We still have time until the 30 day limit to see how this pans out.

 

[-aggie-]

I understood your inference just fine. I'm questioning its veracity.

Does that not happen often to you?

Just because you wave your hand at some inconvenient evidence, doesn't mean it actually literally goes away - I assume you realize this on some logical level despite any possible predisposition to ignore the issues raging around you on this forum.

Again, as I said before, but it apparently bears repeating - the sky may not be falling, but I don't see the point in pretending the issues don't exist.

One of the reasons I didn't want to respond to you is because you somehow took my comment about that poll to suggest I believe no one has this problem. Show me any posts in this forum where I state anything close to that. I believe some people have this problem, but the extent is unknown. None of the polls I've seen can be used to make any conclusion about that extent.

My problem with online polls are that they used to make false conclusions. 16K may have had these problems, but to suggest that a large percentage of iPhone 4 owners have the problem from that poll is BS (not saying you think that). The same goes for the MacRumors poll.

 

[TroyBoy30]

There actually are moderate safeguards to prevent overvoting which you would know if you actually read my post and tried to double vote. Did you? Thought not.

strange since I voted several times on that very poll!