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Because Apple's tax shenanigans make it look like they have no earnings in the EU?

When Apple violates EU law, they should be fined based only on the sales in the EU.

It's not about earnings in the EU. Apple reports its sales in the EU and the fines should apply to EU sales.

In my opinion, the EU fining Apple based on total sales is primarily a money grab.
 
These "laws" are ad hoc tactics by cash hungry governments. If you actually read the DMA it becomes so evident that this is nothing more than targeting the US cash cow.

Speaking of money, when are EU nations going to start paying their fair share of NATO?
Considering that Trump excluded all digital services in his calculations (so literally everything out of Silicon Valley) for his tariffs and we are giving our data away for free for your advertisement firms, I think it’s fair to tax some of your billion dollar companies a little bit, whenever they can’t be bothered to follow our rules.

Oh and which country actually invoked article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty? Was that the US after 9/11? Did we stand on your side? Did we go to war with you? Have we lost lives for you?

It’s not like I don’t agree with the general concept that we need to step up our game and pay more, but don’t make it sound like we did nothing. We sure as hell supported American citizens when you needed us most.

The same can’t be said now from your side.
I sure have no problem switching over to European Software and Hardware. Already canceled Netflix, Disney, Tesla is gone, no more Nike, no Levi’s. How is your 401k going?
 
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If US companies don't want to be fined for breaking the law, perhaps obeying the law would be a better strategy than risking it, getting caught and then having your president throw a tantrum about how it's 'not fair', like a 3 year-old who isn't allowed to a second icecream.
I'll say up front that I'm not defending Apple or the EU (sorry in advance to anyone who wanted me to pick a side).

The difficult thing with many laws is there is room for different interpretations of the laws. As the laws are written, Apple could very well be obeying the law. The issue in that case isn't that Apple is breaking the law, it's that the EU's interpretation of the law is that Apple is breaking the law. There is a difference. Again, this does not mean a law is necessarily being broken, only that the EU's interpretation of the law is different than Apple's.

This leaves possibilities (these are not the only ones but cover most cases).
1. Apple is clearly breaking the EU's law and the fine is justified
2. Apple is clearly not breaking the EU's law but the EU claims it is and the fine is not justified
3. Apple might be breaking the EU's law and Apple's lawyers will try to argue there's enough ambiguity that Apple should not be fined
4. Apple might not be breaking the EU's law and the EU lawyers will try to argue there's enough ambiguity that Apple should be fined

Who is correct -- the EU or Apple? I don't think we know enough to say either way. Saying the EU is correct (even if the EU is not) might be reality though. That's because the EU gets to make the laws and interpret the laws by default of what they are -- a government entity with control over the laws, enforcement of laws, and interpretation of laws. That's a stacked deck. This does not make the EU's interpretations the only possible ones (or even correct ones), they just simply have the last say because the courts dealing with these questions are still internal to the EU. While there is always the hope for full independence and separation between lawmakers and courts, there are still biases and experiences that influence everyone. Those disagreeing with the EU's judgments also have biases.

The challenge is that there is almost always ambiguity in laws. This is to allow for some wiggle room for a range of actions and operations, which is often positive and reduced friction, but it is also can cause issues because there is room for multiple interpretations. Some of the ambiguity is simply because people writing laws cannot foresee every possible response or interpretation of the law. Usually what happens is a law is passed and then courts sort it out afterward. This happens all the time and is the major process used to refine the law and figure out what was actually passed. That's what is happening here. Apple is testing the limits of the law because it has serious implications for Apple's modus operandi.

Here's how the process looks.

EU: Here's the law.
Apple (lawyers and others): It looks like we can do this and still comply.
EU: [Apple is limiting the choices of individuals out of greedy monopolistic and/or anti-competitive actions]. We didn't mean the law to allow for that. You are breaking the law. Here's a fine.
Apple: [Then why not write the law the way you want it and not leave any room for different applications/loopholes?] We will appeal.

If laws were always straightforward without much ambiguity, there would be far fewer lawyers in the world.

So while Apple might be "breaking the law" Apple might also not be. In that case, the EU doesn't like how Apple is following the law and fined Apple for breaking the EU's interpretation of the law. It's also possible Apple is breaking the law. I'm not taking sides (the EU or Apple's), I'm simply highlighting these are complex issues without clear delineations of breaking or following laws. Stating something definitive isn't really possible until everything gets sorted out. Even then, it's not always clear.
 
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I agree with Rump on this. We have seen this play out over and over throughout the years. Apple, with a 30 percent market share, has been a constant target of the EU, knowing full well that they can extort whatever they can dream of, considering Apple's deep pockets.
How is the myopia so strong?
Large corps, not just US ones, always try to flout the law by using tax havens and shell companies.
That gravy train had to end at some point.
 
When Apple violates EU law, they should be fined based only on the sales in the EU.

It's not about earnings in the EU. Apple reports its sales in the EU and the fines should apply to EU sales.

In my opinion, the EU fining Apple based on total sales is primarily a money grab.
The DMA allows fines up to 10% of worldwide turnover, which is in part so as to avoid "hiding" earning elsewhere.

But the fines themselves are not just 10% of WWT - they are set based on more complex criteria and typically in practice are based on European market turnover.

The full decision with the basis for the fine has not been released, so we don't know how the fine was determined.

Given Apple's revenue in 2024 was about $400B quite clearly a €500m fine is well short of 10%.
 
As a EU citizen I’m happy with the freedom and choices that are the direct result of the DMA.

But as the EU and US have fundamentally different views on privacy, platform interoperability, consumer rights, … the best way forward is to develop our own tech.

Then EU citizens can choose between EU and US platforms. And there’s no need for fines anymore as the latter won’t have a gatekeeper function anymore.
It’s almost as if regulation to increase the AMOUNT of competition (more OSes and ecosystems) would be better than the DMA.

Not that I haven’t been saying this since FOREVER.
 
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That was a result of the EU allowing tax havens and Ireland’s using EU law to their and Apple’s advantage. Maybe the EU should eliminate tax havens in the EU as Apple isn’t the only company using them to their advantage.
The EU courts upheld the finding that Ireland's tax haven for Apple was illegal (violated EU rules), and Apple had to pay Ireland the tax it would have owed without the special rules.
 
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