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who else hates lion?
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Mission Control became really nice when I learned you can launch into Mission Control and then use three finger swipes to change between different desktops and apps and then a four finger up swipe to get into that app.
I also love having Xcode launch into fullscreen with the organizer in a screen next to it to read documentation.
I actually like it a lot better as it is easy to jump around.
Now I don't get why they don't include the old expose with the old four finger swipe down to reveal apps in that desktop.
I've had some software not working; the one that bothers me the most is insomniaX, and the inverted trackpad was a little annoying at first, but there are a lot of features I love, so I am very happy with it. I am sure software and app updates are forthcoming.
If your running a second monitor, try running with just one and see if the problem goes away. I know this isn't an acceptable solution but it would point to the source. This problem is not new with Lion.
Snow Leopard gestures were perfect...
Hiding Applications: SL- Four Fingers Up (Makes sense cause you move it away) in Lion you have this hard wonky gesture with your thumb. Very hard.
Mission Control/Expose: SL - Four Fingers Up Lion- Three/Four Fingers Down. Annoying!
Back/Forward in Apps like Safari/Chrome: SL - Three Fingers Left or Right... Lion- Disabled by default for full screen apps.
Snow Leopard really is the perfect Mac OSX. You can't really fix the gestures using third party apps because I tried and you can't exit out when I try to switch mission control gesture back to SL way. Also the "Natural Scrolling" would only make sense if I were physically touching the screen. There is a still a disconnected feeling thus it is very stupid.
For the people who don't use spaces and rely on Expose for their day to day needs should stay away from Lion and keep Snow Leopard as long as they can. It makes all the windows smaller and makes the who experience less intuitive. Even if I were to pirate Lion I would still be downgrading as the functionality decreases for me. I hope I can keep SL for as long as I can.
Hiding Applications: SL- Four Fingers Up (Makes sense cause you move it away) in Lion you have this hard wonky gesture with your thumb. Very hard.
Mission Control/Expose: SL - Four Fingers Up Lion- Three/Four Fingers Down. Annoying!
Back/Forward in Apps like Safari/Chrome: SL - Three Fingers Left or Right... Lion- Disabled by default for full screen apps.
Snow Leopard really is the perfect Mac OSX. You can't really fix the gestures using third party apps because I tried and you can't exit out when I try to switch mission control gesture back to SL way. Also the "Natural Scrolling" would only make sense if I were physically touching the screen. There is a still a disconnected feeling thus it is very stupid.
For the people who don't use spaces and rely on Expose for their day to day needs should stay away from Lion and keep Snow Leopard as long as they can. It makes all the windows smaller and makes the who experience less intuitive. Even if I were to pirate Lion I would still be downgrading as the functionality decreases for me. I hope I can keep SL for as long as I can.
Yes I have been around for upgrades before. Tried vista, didnt like it. Win 7 has been great to me, but I love my mac with snow leopard. I love the simplicity to an extent, sometimes makes it difficult to fix or find a workaround but for the most part I really like it.
Im newish to the mac world (9 months) but I have been working with an building computers for 15 years. I have been working with computers, gadgets and electronics long enough to appreciate a significantly better piece of hardware (the computer itself), I just do not like the pour out all the stuff that worked great and flip everything around because we have to be different. I dislike the desire to be so different that you will implement changes that have been standard since the early 90's.
I did read a lot of reviews about lion. There seemed to be a few minor things that could be easily fixed. The track pad and gestures were nothing, 5 minutes to fix. It was not clear to me that many of my smaller programs that did not have the backing of large budget companies would no longer work.
Apparently I am outnumbered by a huge margin and speaking bad about something that really irritates me is not allowed.
Im newish to the mac world (9 months) but I have been working with an building computers for 15 years. I have been working with computers, gadgets and electronics long enough to appreciate a significantly better piece of hardware (the computer itself), I just do not like the pour out all the stuff that worked great and flip everything around because we have to be different. I dislike the desire to be so different that you will implement changes that have been standard since the early 90's.
I did read a lot of reviews about lion. There seemed to be a few minor things that could be easily fixed. The track pad and gestures were nothing, 5 minutes to fix. It was not clear to me that many of my smaller programs that did not have the backing of large budget companies would no longer work.
Apparently I am outnumbered by a huge margin and speaking bad about something that really irritates me is not allowed.
The worst part is that you can't install Snow Leopard on their new hardware.
Mission Control has totally messed everything up, slowed my work flow.
Apple worst OS X release to date.
Mission Control has totally messed everything up, slowed my work flow.
Apple worst OS X release to date.
I've been running Lion on my iMac since last night. It's...meh. It's not bad, but so far I'm not singing its praises, either. I like the new look for the most part and performance has been good on my system, but I'm not a fan of Mission Control. Jury's still out on auto-save for me.
What annoys me the most is are the greyscale icons. I disabled "natural scrolling", "resume" and enabled "scrollbars always on". I've never had the need to use Spaces (two large monitors hooked up to my Mac Pro is why), so the multiple "desktops" in Mission Control are a bugger for me. Same with full screen apps. If the app is going full screen, why put a table cloth on my second monitor? That's asinine, brainless, dense, dimwitted, doltish, dopey, dumb, foolish, half-baked, idiotic, ill-advised, imbecilic, inane, irresponsible, ludicrous, mindless, moronic, nonsensical, pointless, senseless, unintelligent, unthinking -- you name it!
Everyone complaining about it, needs to get over it. It was your choice to install the update if you don't like it don't update. Obviously certain apps aren't going to work right away, that means check it before you decide to upgrade on day 1.
I personally think mission control is a nice feature it works well for what it is.
And enough complaining about the whole natural scrolling thing, you can disable it so instead of bitching about it disable it and get on with your lives.
Then people saying it doesn't perform well on your macs, It must be something strange with yours because I installed it on my 2007 macbook and it has never run better.
I personally think mission control is a nice feature it works well for what it is.
And enough complaining about the whole natural scrolling thing, you can disable it so instead of bitching about it disable it and get on with your lives.
Then people saying it doesn't perform well on your macs, It must be something strange with yours because I installed it on my 2007 macbook and it has never run better.
Run it on any recent and current Apple hardware with the intel HD 3000 GPU and get back to us.
Why do people start threads where the only purpose of which is to bitch and whine that their deity, uncle steve, has forsaken them with a product that is not perfectly tailored to their liking without customization.
Seriously, with about 30% of the effort put forth in a complaint thread, you could have downloaded the 3rd party tools the rest of us use to make Lion to our liking. I wish the mods would close these threads, they're useless.
Seriously, with about 30% of the effort put forth in a complaint thread, you could have downloaded the 3rd party tools the rest of us use to make Lion to our liking. I wish the mods would close these threads, they're useless.
Someone doesn't like the OS they have the right to express it and have a discussion about it.
I don't hate Lion, but I feel it's a bit undercooked in it's current iteration. From a functional perspective, I actually really like most of what it offers. What I wasn't prepared for was a significant UI slowdown. Animations (especially mission control) are so choppy on my iMac that I found MC almost unusable. Being a heavy Expose user, I found this unacceptable.
I've rolled back to snow leopard and everything flows like butter once again. I hope an upcoming dot release will fix these issues because I'd really like to give lion another shot.
I've rolled back to snow leopard and everything flows like butter once again. I hope an upcoming dot release will fix these issues because I'd really like to give lion another shot.
This was really noticeable for me when quicktime would go fullscreen into a new desktop. It was choppy. Im using a 2010 mbp base with 8gb ram and ssd. It never seemed slugish, but I think my ssd made up for that.
Im back with snow leopard and love it. I may give lion a try in a while when they get a couple major updates under their belt.
Already did, It works fine in my opinion and trials.
I agree with you there. People would rather complain though then try and solve the problem for themselves.
There is nothing wrong with discussing but all you are doing is stating things over and over again that have been stated in countless other threads about lion.
Everyone has known what lion was like since the first previews and such from dp1 came out. So everyone one knew or should have known what they were getting into when they installed lion. If you were unprepared for it, it's your own fault.
I completely disagree. Apples mantra is "it just works". How does this qualify?
I have read a lot about it and have posted a few times. How can something be fixed if there is not a complaint made? How is "uncle steve" supposed to get his people to fix it?
My biggest gripe about this place is if your opinion is part of the minority you get bashed by the majority. This idea that everyone knows part x or program y is broken is false. There is so much information that sometimes it hard to find what your looking for.
Let us complain a bit, vent our frustrations and find as much as we can so the powers that be can fix the problem.
like it
I am using Viscosity VPN, its working fine. And the XBMC really isn't working... and sometime safari crashed, but still, like it.
I am using Viscosity VPN, its working fine. And the XBMC really isn't working... and sometime safari crashed, but still, like it.
I'm pretty disgusted with it so far as it has broken many of the programs I love, which have managed to survive many system updates. It has added a lot of junk that I don't need, it performs graphically very poorly on my computer which was top of the line best MBP you could get 8 months ago. Most of the changes are eye candy, and things like making the library invisible by default just feels like another step towards trying to take away access to my own hardware and putting me in front of a baby's computer. Every step forward anymore is a step towards the lowest common denominator of users.
I really like lion. I was talking it down a lot thinking the features were dumb but after actually using it it's great. Safari is very much improved and is now my default browser. (mainly since I can't swipe back and forth in firefox or chrome anymore lol) but now that I have used safari it's been great.
I never used expose before. But I love mission control. Just the multiple desktops and with just a swipe I'm on what to me is like having a 2nd monitor.
If someone has the time, would you mind explaining what it is that expose was/did that mission control can't?
I never used expose before. But I love mission control. Just the multiple desktops and with just a swipe I'm on what to me is like having a 2nd monitor.
If someone has the time, would you mind explaining what it is that expose was/did that mission control can't?
I'm indifferent.
I know a new release will always break programs, for example the transition from tiger to leopard, but I don't know if I can get use to Mission Control. I really want Expose back. I even went and bought a magic trackpad to try out the features and see if it improved my liking of it and it didn't.
Seems like this OS is trying to steer us away from traditional keyboards and mice and more towards touch interfaces. Expose was made for the traditional keyboard and mouse and Mission control/launchpad seems to be made for the magic mouse and trackpad. Until they make a touch screen computer, I find the new gesture additions of lion a little gimmicky.
Apple please bring back Expose as an option and Lion will be just fine, the computers in their current forms are not ready for a more touch based OS.
On a side note, I find the decoration of the iCal UI a little tacky and I want to have options to chose different designs. In the real world I would probably never pick up a real desk calendar that has that color leather.
I know a new release will always break programs, for example the transition from tiger to leopard, but I don't know if I can get use to Mission Control. I really want Expose back. I even went and bought a magic trackpad to try out the features and see if it improved my liking of it and it didn't.
Seems like this OS is trying to steer us away from traditional keyboards and mice and more towards touch interfaces. Expose was made for the traditional keyboard and mouse and Mission control/launchpad seems to be made for the magic mouse and trackpad. Until they make a touch screen computer, I find the new gesture additions of lion a little gimmicky.
Apple please bring back Expose as an option and Lion will be just fine, the computers in their current forms are not ready for a more touch based OS.
On a side note, I find the decoration of the iCal UI a little tacky and I want to have options to chose different designs. In the real world I would probably never pick up a real desk calendar that has that color leather.
Your opinion is valid, your points are valid, and you are a PAYING customer with every right to voice your concerns, frustrations and discontentments. This forum is for discussing such issues, this is not a church of worship for Apple Inc. The real mystery is why somebody would enter a discussion with the title of "Who else hates Lion?" and proceed to complain about people "complaining". Apparently certain people are unable to allow others a voice and an opinion in an appropriate venue, which is what this is. You didn't enter a thread called "Let's talk about how we love Lion!" and begin posting your issues with it. The person complaining about "complainers" needs to move on.