Who else thinks OS X Lion is a pile of crap????

[maflynn]

I don't particularly like Lion. I only hope Apple can offer something better next year. Maybe convince me to get a new Mac. Snow Leopard will do me fine until then.

The issue is, what you may consider better and what apple considers better could be two different things.

I think 10.8 will be more of the same, they're not about to abandon or change direction with the changes they made with with 10.7

I don't use Mission Control, and found Launchpad to be less efficient then how I normally start apps. I don't think apple is going to abandon those features, but rather enhance or polish them.

Overall, though as I posted, I'm happy with Lion

 

[frozencarbonite]

Question:
Is there a way I can purchase & download it without installing it immediately? I'd like to create a bootable Lion disc instead of it installing from the Mac App store.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

Who else thinks OS X Lion is a pile of crap?

Lion is certainly a "not ready" type of OS (just like the original version of MS Windows Vista), which needs a lot of optimizations, especially with Ivy Bridge (new processor type, new IGP, USB 3.0) next year. It is unclear why they did not wait for Ivy Bridge, which would enable additional optimizations in Lion. Let us wait for 10.8, it will be like the upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard (everything is faster and more stable) with new APIs.

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Question:
Is there a way I can purchase & download it without installing it immediately? I'd like to create a bootable Lion disc instead of it installing from the Mac App store.

Follow this hint!

;-)

 

[Phil A.]

yea i'm not very impressed wit lion thought it would have been a lot better or maybe it just takes time 4 it ta come ryt i dont know really think i will leave it 4 a few months n try it again and c if it improves but it cant get any worse lol

It certainly seems to have messed up your keyboard

On a serious note, I've had no problems at all with Lion - two machines (iMac and 11" Macbook air, both last year's models) upgraded without a hitch and my recently purchased MBP came pre-installed with Lion and runs fine too.

 

[InuNacho]

Lion is not a pile of crap, it comes with an awesome puzzle game called Mission Control.

 

[djshack]

After a month of dealing with Lion, I finally wiped out my mid-2009 (with 8 GB RAM) and reinstalled Snow Leopard. Now my computer runs quickly and smoothly again, and I got my 5+ hours battery life back. Lion took away all of those things.

I'm 75%+ sure my next computer purchase will be a Windows machine.

P.S. iCloud in its current state is a failure and a turd. I wanted to break away from Google, but it's no competitor to Google Apps and all the other great Google stuff.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

My biggest beef with Lion? It cuts off the last 0.2 seconds or so of WAV audio, making it totally unsuitable for working in that format. Strangely, QuickTime Player 7 in Lion is unaffected by this issue.

 

[Steve's Barber]

I'm not a Lion fan but every thread I come across like this warrants the following "gut" check:

If you don't learn to adapt to Apples newfound approach to OSX then you may as well put your macs on ebay. Either that or wait for Windows 8 and see how well it preforms on Mac hardware.

I don't like where iOXS is heading either but it is what it is and nothing's going to change that.

 

[Statelymwhite]

Longer boot-up... longer to sleep and shutdown... longer to wake-up.

Also random connection problems with the mouse, keyboard, and track-pad.

Overall, not as smooth as SL.

 

[g-boac]

I've given it its fair shake on my 2010 MBP, 2011 iMac, and 2011 MacBook Air. . .I just don't like it.

I took advantage of Apple's generous return policy, and returned the MBA. I've since reverted my MBP and iMac. Fundamentally: Lion did not allow me to take advantage of my external monitors for Spaces; Expose went from being a valuable tool to organize my workspaces in Snow Leopard to a workflow hinderance in Lion/Mission Control, and AutoSave/Versions has been less than desirable, particularly in core apps, such as Preview and TextEdit. Sometimes, I simply want to open up a JPEG or PDF and rotate it. In Lion - I'm all of the sudden needing to deal with unlocking files, duplicating files, deleting files. . .with Autosave it seemed that I was saving edits to files I did not want to save, discarding or being unable to find changes that I did make, and having copies of files that I did not want or needed to securely delete (e.g., proprietary data). Whatever happened to a simple "command-S" if I wanted to save the file, and no action if I did not?

While some features (such as Resume) were nice, they were not compelling enough to make up for what overall has become a sloppier, buggier, and less functional experience. I've never felt this way about an OS release. Sad, but that's how I feel. And what troubles me is simply the high number of individuals who likewise seem to be put off by the new OS.

respectfully,
Mark

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I'm not a Lion fan but every thread I come across like this warrants the following "gut" check:

If you don't learn to adapt to Apples newfound approach to OSX then you may as well put your macs on ebay. Either that or wait for Windows 8 and see how well it preforms on Mac hardware.

I don't like where iOXS is heading either but it is what it is and nothing's going to change that.

Respectfully - something will. If you don't like where things are headed, the best thing you can do is voice your feedback to Apple. At the end of the day, they create products for their customers, and their customers offer feedback both verbally, and via purchases. It's far preferable to offer verbal feedback so that they can take your opinion into consideration as part of the aggregate. Bear in mind that customer feedback carries weight because generally, every customer who offers feedback tends to speak for roughly 1000 others who feel similarly, but don't have the time, inclination, means, or vectors to leave a message. Trust me, speak up, and you will be heard.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

regards,
Mark

 

[dba415]

Expose was perfect in Snow Leopard and now ruined in Lion.

 

[lamerica80]

I weep for the future of the English language...

You mean you weep 4 the English language?

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Wifi issues, random keyboard connection drop-outs, annoying transparent scroll bar blocks bottom file in finder.

 

[Steve's Barber]

Trust me, speak up, and you will be heard.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

regards,
Mark

No disrespect but Apple will not back pedal nor will they magically "undo" some of the changes in Lion simply because a minority of users don't like them (that minority would include you and I).

After 3 versions of Lion now... if anyone is holding out for major changes in Mission Control (e.g., bringing back spaces) and the ability to toggle Versions on/off well... you're chasing rainbows.

Like all of Apple's iDevices, the future of OSX has clearly shifted toward the "casual" masses and die hard power users will just need to adapt or move on.

 

[windowstomac]

I hated it to start with....now on 10.7.2, I don't have much to complain about....slower bootup, not a fan of Mission Control.....but nothing that makes me too annoyed any more.

Interestingly, I used a client's MBA running SL the other day and it seemed, I don't know, kind of out of date...

 

[wpotere]

No disrespect but Apple will not back pedal nor will they magically "undo" some of the changes in Lion simply because a minority of users don't like them (that minority would include you and I).

After 3 versions of Lion now... if anyone is holding out for major changes in Mission Control (e.g., bringing back spaces) and the ability to toggle Versions on/off well... you're chasing rainbows.

Like all of Apple's iDevices, the future of OSX has clearly shifted toward the "casual" masses and die hard power users will just need to adapt or move on.

My complaints aren't with the way it functions but rather with the bugs that they have yet to fix after two patches. Wifi wake is still crap and I still get kernel panics as well.

 

[vitzr]

Now that I've used it for awhile, I have a better idea of the target market Apple had in mind as they designed Lion. It seems as though they've identified what the novice wants and met that desire.

 

[Hooperon]

Hi All,

No real problems with Lion overall but I am finding lots oddities in many of the Apps. On boot up iTunes starts and gives an error that it can't connect to the app store. Interesting since I don't have iTunes in my login items list. Starting iChat shows me as "offline" with a comm error. Using it's preferences to disable and renable my account clears it.

Notice a number of really odd things when starting different apps. Windows are sometimes open that were not open before. Apps that support multiple documents many times open with documents used in the past. TextEdit for example. Create a file save it, Quit text edit and restart, sometimes its there. Close it, create a new file and save it, quit and restart and both are there. Just not the behavior you expect plus it's there is no consistant repeat pattern

My assumption is these are just the initial bugs with any new releasse but I had hope that many of these would be cleared up by now (10.7.2)

Ron

 

[Steve's Barber]

My complaints aren't with the way it functions but rather with the bugs that they have yet to fix after two patches. Wifi wake is still crap and I still get kernel panics as well.

Naw.... bugs I can live with as squashing them is ongoing. (But if after 10.7.3 there's still the big ones then that's another story).

Mainly, it's the feature set (iOS undertones) I disagree with and that will never be undone.

 

[bofort]

Lion's ok by me

I downloaded Lion easily no big problems. Just need to get my head around the differences. Accept the challenge and work through it. Had to get latest version of Reunion. Having problems merge manager form let's , see my post. iOS 5 and cloud needed working on but glad I did it. Interface between iMac & iPad very useful. Overall glad I moved to Lion

 

[Saturn1217]

Naw.... bugs I can live with as squashing them is ongoing. (But if after 10.7.3 there's still the big ones then that's another story).

Mainly, it's the feature set (iOS undertones) I disagree with and that will never be undone.

I actually disagree. It doesn't happen often but sometimes apple does change things based on user responses.

Remember in Leopard where everyone got in an uproar about the transparent menu bar. A couple updates later they added an option to disable it.

And going from Leopard to Snow Leopard there are small changes in functionality that really cleaned things up.

Even in 10.7.2 apple added some functional (not just bug fixes) changes like being able to rearrange desktops in mission control.

I think particularly now that Tim Cook is running apple there is a fair chance that some of the Lion 'features' might be given an option switch which is really all I'd require to return to this. Hopefully 10.8 can be to 10.7 what windows 7 was to vista. Not ready to give up hope yet!

 

[MartiNZ]

Now that I've used it for awhile, I have a better idea of the target market Apple had in mind as they designed Lion. It seems as though they've identified what the novice wants and met that desire.

I still can't see quite where that audience is. Things are less straightforward than ever before ... perhaps people that have only ever used an iPad and never a computer? Surely that is an impossibly small market to target. Everyone else should be so used to the efficient workflows we've enjoyed Puma through Snow Leopard at least, and baulking at Apple's shooting them down - with mission control, autosave, versions, resume, fullscreen apps & spaces, and resize-anywhere. These all get in the way of my workflows anyway.

 

[doug in albq]

I do think Lion is a pile of crap, yes.

10.6.8 FTW

 

[mtn137]

Convert

I am switching back to MAC after 20+ years on the dark side. I do some light video editing and hear bad things about lion. Can I buy a new mac and convert it to snow leopard and will Final cut etc etc work the same?

 

[Sgt. Raven]

I am switching back to MAC after 20+ years on the dark side. I do some light video editing and hear bad things about lion. Can I buy a new mac and convert it to snow leopard and will Final cut etc etc work the same?

MicroCenter still has some new MBPs with Snow Leopard but I don't know how long they'll last. Check your local authorized Apple reseller too.

 

[colourfastt]

No disrespect but Apple will not back pedal nor will they magically "undo" some of the changes in Lion simply because a minority of users don't like them (that minority would include you and I).

After 3 versions of Lion now... if anyone is holding out for major changes in Mission Control (e.g., bringing back spaces) and the ability to toggle Versions on/off well... you're chasing rainbows.

Like all of Apple's iDevices, the future of OSX has clearly shifted toward the "casual" masses and die hard power users will just need to adapt or move on.

Just what we don't need: our computers turned into iToys.