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Who here has a perfect rMBP with no issues and didn't return so far.
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Mostly, the ones who claim to have dead pixels and still happy with their computers are hilariously, deliriously, just sad...
No, you're just sad for thinking consumers don't have a right to flawless products
You directly contribute to the lower quality of products consumers receive.
No, you're just sad for thinking consumers don't have a right to flawless products
You directly contribute to the lower quality of products consumers receive.
No not in reality there is a huge difference between a defective product, and not understanding the current limitations of manufacturing technology. As with all in life there is a balance and there will always be minorities that are at the extreme end of the scale. The point in question is looking for issue, rather than actually having a manufacturing defect.
Apple manufactures computers and other devices to be used, not venerated. The vast majority buy their product and enjoy using it, creating, researching, or just surfing and playing games. A minority will put the product under the microscope looking for flaws, and it`s likely that a fair number of this minority wont even own the product in question, yet they are equally likely to be the most vocal across the web. Even here in this poll this is played out with the majority happy with their purchase, yet look a the quantity of negative posts regarding the Retina.
Apple strive for excellence in all they do, yet they have never promised perfection
Apple strive for excellence in all they do, yet they have never promised perfection
They kinda do. Every single new video about their new revolutionary laptop, we can see them telling again and again how they made the perfect laptop. How amazing the screen is.....
The fact is one can simply expect that a premium product with a premium price tag is build with more care, good quality control etc. The fact that more then seldom people receive products with cosmetic damage, flawed screens etc. just isn't right. There are other manufactures out there (not only laptops) that strive for perfection and a flawless product. That is the quality and care you expect from a premium manufacture.
The fact is that it is possible to produce good screens and it is avoidable to cosmeticly scratch/damage the product in the manufacturing process.
The perfectionist approach should't stop after it leaves the design table. It should be carried on in the assembly and manufacturing process. No matter how many thousands they sell. It isn't an excuse.
For those price tags and the way Apple portray it selves (as perfectionist and the best products) avoidable flaws are unacceptable.
Anyone with dead pixels and/or cosmetic damages should never accept this and keep returning their item. You simply deserve a flawless product.
For the record, I don't say technology is flawless. What I mean with "flawless" is avoidable damages or errors.
A perfect unibody case is possible.
A screen without dead pixels is possible.
I completely agree, those with genuine defect should seek replacement or repair, however those seeking perfection, digging for flaws that are out of the bounds of current manufacturing/production technology, should simply stop as they simply add no value to the community by spreading unfounded rumour. Denigrating a product due to it not meeting an inflated personal expectation is futile only serving to fuel inaccuracies and misconceptions.
Going deeper into the GUI issues the primary concern is the potential for stuttering, aside the myriad software combinations the Intel GPU is clearly at the limit of present manufacturing technology, this is well documented in Anandtech`s review. Apple will likely work on the software side, however those that this particularly concerns will need to wait on Haswell, Broadwell etc..
The Retina is new and will clearly bring new assembly process`s, no matter how much any company prepares there will be issue with any product of this complexity and volume. As with all processes, production will be refined and the failure rate reduced. Apple understand their customer base very well and know the expectations they set, nor is it in their benefit to bring a faulty product to market.
All first generation products bring risk, Apple have gotten far better in recent years, however the term "early adopters" still applies, those that accept the Retina for what it is today will undoubtably enjoy the user experience, those looking for the 2014 Retina right now will equally be dissatisfied...
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Have to wait at least one month to see what will happen since most machines just sent to customers this month. Time will tell. Buyers should be aware of this information.
I went to Apple Store yesterday. Randomly pick a rMBP and re-produce the IR issue so easily, not even take 5 mins with Safari opening.
Hopefully, they are just those first bad batches. I also picked up a rMBP(week 32) yesterday with LG panel. I am going to exam Apple's QC this time by myself.
I've had mine for over 3 weeks now, and I really love this computer. Sometimes I turn it on just to look at it.
As I knock on wood, I'm very happy with my rMBP.
One thing to keep in mind, forums such as this will generate more negative posts as members come here to ask for help and support (and occasionally complain) so it appears that the the laptop has more problems but that's not the case as many happy owners don't post anything
One thing to keep in mind, forums such as this will generate more negative posts as members come here to ask for help and support (and occasionally complain) so it appears that the the laptop has more problems but that's not the case as many happy owners don't post anything
I got mine on 4 July and I haven't had a single problem with it, but I did have the power supply die on me - Apple replaced it as you would expect.
I see no ghosting, I've never noticed any of this lag that people keep talking about, and I don't have any dead pixels - but then I doubt I'd be able to see them if I did, unless there was a cluster of 3-4 adjacent ones.
It really amazes me that anyone can see a single dead pixel on these screens; even with my nose almost touching the screen I can't make out individual pixels. Some people must have hawk-like eyesight.
I see no ghosting, I've never noticed any of this lag that people keep talking about, and I don't have any dead pixels - but then I doubt I'd be able to see them if I did, unless there was a cluster of 3-4 adjacent ones.
It really amazes me that anyone can see a single dead pixel on these screens; even with my nose almost touching the screen I can't make out individual pixels. Some people must have hawk-like eyesight.
Pure Perfect!
This is my first mac and so far I have been delighted at how well it performs and how slim and light it looks comparing with my old XPS M1330.
I have the 2.6GHZ/512SSD/16RAM and it arrived on the 6th august and was shipped in August 2.
I have been weary before my purchase because of all the negative feedback i read on the forums and have not found yet an imperfection to my screen or aluminum case. Performance has been stellar, there is no creek and everything is perfect.
This is my first mac and so far I have been delighted at how well it performs and how slim and light it looks comparing with my old XPS M1330.
I have the 2.6GHZ/512SSD/16RAM and it arrived on the 6th august and was shipped in August 2.
I have been weary before my purchase because of all the negative feedback i read on the forums and have not found yet an imperfection to my screen or aluminum case. Performance has been stellar, there is no creek and everything is perfect.
Haven't returned it. Everything about the hardware is so far perfect.
Software wise, it's a bit of a roller-coaster ride. Chrome, my favorite web browser isn't performing as good as Safari. If I am forced to use a browser I don't like due to performance issue, it isn't good enough. That said it will be fixed in near future of-course.
Also, there's this random freezing that has something to do with Adobe Flash playing YouTube videos. It's something to do with graphic switching. Don't know how to solve it yet.
Software wise, it's a bit of a roller-coaster ride. Chrome, my favorite web browser isn't performing as good as Safari. If I am forced to use a browser I don't like due to performance issue, it isn't good enough. That said it will be fixed in near future of-course.
Also, there's this random freezing that has something to do with Adobe Flash playing YouTube videos. It's something to do with graphic switching. Don't know how to solve it yet.
No, you're just sad for thinking consumers don't have a right to flawless products
You directly contribute to the lower quality of products consumers receive.
Seriously? You didn't see my point as enjoying the products you buy. You don't have to go looking for faults under a microscope.
Considering the high favorability ratings, I'm very tempted to get it in addition to the next iMac.
I would only suggest people go to Apple Store or Best Buy, etc., taking a look at all their rMBP demo machines the other day. Because those machines' panels could reflect any condition what your rMBP would have after the most intensive usage so far for most of users.
The lag I experienced in Lion was unacceptable but I did wait to consider returning it until after I installed ML. I installed ML and it improved significantly and then I did a fresh install and it was night and day. Is there still a slight lag when scrolling? Yes, but it is acceptable in my eyes with the understanding that I'm being an early adopter with this technology, my plans are to sell this machine when a revision comes out and if that is in the next 12-18 months
I feel comfortable saying that the loss will most likely be in the $500-$650 (less tax) mark which I'm ok with. For the reason of planing on selling the machine when a revision comes out I bought a base model, my last MBP that lasted almost 5 years and is still kicking around I maxed out so I could keep it for that long without having it feel like an anchor. The next one will be maxed out in hopes of keeping it for an additional 4-5 year.
I feel comfortable saying that the loss will most likely be in the $500-$650 (less tax) mark which I'm ok with. For the reason of planing on selling the machine when a revision comes out I bought a base model, my last MBP that lasted almost 5 years and is still kicking around I maxed out so I could keep it for that long without having it feel like an anchor. The next one will be maxed out in hopes of keeping it for an additional 4-5 year.
I'll start by saying that this is my first mac (owned) and that I am VERY happy with it.
I have the 2.3/16/256. It's unbelievably snappy in opening applications, and since I am a long-time windows user, the UI "lag" isn't a big deal for me at all. As far as I'm concerned, it's awesome. I was very worried about how non-retina apps would look on it, but I have to say it's VERY usable for me. From where I'm sitting, it's barely noticeable.
Performance is stellar. I'm a video editor and photographer, I work on Avid MC, FCP 7/X, PS, Aperture, Color, DaVinci Resolve, and more. everything works PERFECTLY. Coming from a PC, this is truly heaven.
Battery life is also pretty good, and actually getting better every cycle (avg of 5-7 hours with light work, and 3-5 hours with heavy work).
But there are some things that bother me:
1. Internet browsing. It is pretty laggy. It is actually worse than I thought. Scrolling on the retina screen (at 1680X1050) next to my external 1080p monitor is MUCH choppier. Turning the res down to "best for retina" is better, though. This is what I use when I'm out and about running on the HD4000.
2. Ghosting. This is new. Today I saw some retention when I plugged in the external screen (when the screen goes blue). This worries me, but not enough to go through the hell of getting a replacement. I've waited for this one for over a month, and there's no way I'm putting off work again.
3. This baby is HOT. it gets VERY hot when the GPU is on. It is although very quiet, even when the fans are at full throttle.
So for me, the pros surpass the cons. A HAPPY COSTUMER.
I have the 2.3/16/256. It's unbelievably snappy in opening applications, and since I am a long-time windows user, the UI "lag" isn't a big deal for me at all. As far as I'm concerned, it's awesome. I was very worried about how non-retina apps would look on it, but I have to say it's VERY usable for me. From where I'm sitting, it's barely noticeable.
Performance is stellar. I'm a video editor and photographer, I work on Avid MC, FCP 7/X, PS, Aperture, Color, DaVinci Resolve, and more. everything works PERFECTLY. Coming from a PC, this is truly heaven.
Battery life is also pretty good, and actually getting better every cycle (avg of 5-7 hours with light work, and 3-5 hours with heavy work).
But there are some things that bother me:
1. Internet browsing. It is pretty laggy. It is actually worse than I thought. Scrolling on the retina screen (at 1680X1050) next to my external 1080p monitor is MUCH choppier. Turning the res down to "best for retina" is better, though. This is what I use when I'm out and about running on the HD4000.
2. Ghosting. This is new. Today I saw some retention when I plugged in the external screen (when the screen goes blue). This worries me, but not enough to go through the hell of getting a replacement. I've waited for this one for over a month, and there's no way I'm putting off work again.
3. This baby is HOT. it gets VERY hot when the GPU is on. It is although very quiet, even when the fans are at full throttle.
So for me, the pros surpass the cons. A HAPPY COSTUMER.
This poll is poorly set up. I for one had to return it two times but still think it is an amazing machine (especially when it has no defects). But there's no option for me.
Actually that isn't the right thing to do. You will HAVE TO do random phone surveys unless you can either prove that MacRumors is a representative sample of the population, or you have access to Apple's factory and can randomly sample from their finished products. That second option, by the way, is a huge part of the manufacturing process for both Apple and for LG/Samsung. Tell me, how plausible is it that, first, LG/Samsung would continue making defective screens at whatever high rate of failure you believe to be correct, and second, that Apple would let those screens through AFTER LG/Samsung did. If you really think that 20% of the rMBP screens are faulty, then first of all, LG/Samsung would have easily caught their mistake and sent all of the screens back or tossed them in the bin, and even if a remotely detectable sign of a problem in the screen manufacturing process was caught by Apple in their random sampling, they would have investigated LG/Samsung's lines and paid closer attention to the finished products that they're shipping out. Being "smartasses" (you ****ing moron) doesn't make us wrong.
A separate point: Regardless of what the true rate of defect may be, the reality is that Apple is continuing to ship the same product as far as we know, which means that they are okay with whatever their tested rate of defect is. If you wish to put your faith in your anecdotal evidence (I advise against it, but I'm not going to argue against your nearly religious views on their matter...), and claim that a significant problem even exists in the first place, then there is nothing that you can do unless you can somehow convince Apple to enforce a lower panel defect rate. Good luck with that. Can we agree that Apple's and LG's/Samsung's engineers would have to "LOVE" 99% or some reasonable proportion of the screens for them to pass quality checks? Are you really convinced that you can raise their own standards?
Edit: Actually, there IS something that you can do about it. You can continue to whine about something that is entirely out of your hands, and in the process scare happy customers who would NOT have been impacted by any possible flaws until you mentioned them.
You're a small handful of the population (honestly, can you even think for one second about who you're sampling from with this poll? It would make me so ****ing happy if you honestly believed that this poll actually means something, because I could view my job prospects coming out of grad school with so much less stress). Components like screens, especially when they're made for Apple, are absurdly low, I think we can agree that they're between 0.0001% and 10%, or whatever you want to say it is. You will need a TREMENDOUS sample to make a conclusion about this. I'm talking thousands or tens of thousands, from all over the world (unless we can claim that batches of screens are randomly distributed among the countries, and then just one large country would be fine).
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I rather think it`s solely for the interest of the forum members, no need to be so serious or more to the point ridiculous, you may want to learn to take matters in the context they are offered....