A lot of the problems you mention are external monitor related. How do you connect to the external monitor? Have you tried getting a DisplayPort to USB-C cable and just using that?
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who is now regretting there 2016 Pro like me.
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A lot of the problems you mention are external monitor related. How do you connect to the external monitor? Have you tried getting a DisplayPort to USB-C cable and just using that?
I agree with this because I can notice this difference. I think your right about Apple optimizing the software on the 2017 with the new processors. Albeit it's minor but I can tell you with certain that both 2016 15" I had for several weeks did not have the pep this 2017 has. For some reason the 2016 could not handle multiple pages open going back and forth between websites caused me many colored pin wheels while I waited for the system to catch up with what was processing. The 2017 doesn't have this problem for me.
My Late 2011 MBP 15 has been a solid performer as well. However, my 2016 MBP 13" (4 ports) has been a solid performer for me so far as well. It really feels a betrayal when one spends thousands of dollars and gets a dysfunctional gadget and I can understand your frustration with it. Why don't you see if you have someone around with a 2016/17 15" and use that and see if there are deeper demonstrate-able hardware issues so that you can get yours replaced at the Store even if they are saying everything is fine in Diagnostics?
Raise a ruckus with them. This is thousands of dollars in question, not pocket change/ alms handed out to a person in need.
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This does not seem to me to be a problem with Skylake or GPU even, prima facie. Surely, for real, an Intel processor in 2016 can handle going back and forth between two pages in a web browser. A lot of issues are related to software optimisations, I feel, than the hardware MBP 2016s shipped with.
Out of curiosity, what are you doing on your 2011 MBP that the 2016 can’t do? I only ask because I want to understand your stetment.
It's exactly same processor bar a touch of MHz boost and 10bit on the video part... same board architecture also.....
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Reliably works always.
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Same machines bar a slight chip change hell the 560 pro is the exact same video card.
any of you guys wanting to sell one of these disappointments to me?
But if you hold onto it, it gives you the right to constantly complain. Is that how it works? I forget, so many identical threads these days.
It's 'their' not 'there'. Learn that and you will start to appreciate the 2016. 
It's 'their' not 'there'. Learn that and you will start to appreciate the 2016.
I hadn't even noticed that in the thread title, now that's all I can see. I can't take this thread seriously anymore, thank you I'm out!
Maybe that's why I see so many 'Grammarly' ads on YouTube these days, I honestly didn't think their was a market for that stuff.
I hadn't even noticed that in the thread title, now that's all I can see. I can't take this thread seriously anymore, thank you I'm out!
Maybe that's why I see so many 'Grammarly' ads on YouTube these days, I honestly didn't think their was a market for that stuff.
There is.
I have come to understand that it is not that they might not know the difference, often times it is just carelessness. I have also found that the problem gets especially compounded when you are not getting graded for your writing and grammar.
There is.
I have come to understand that it is not that they might not know the difference, often times it is just carelessness. I have also found that the problem gets especially compounded when you are not getting graded for your writing and grammar.
They should go back to teaching the three R's, reading, writing, and arithmetic. Unless that's what caused it?
More gold stars, noted!
I just ordered one of the 2016 units from Adorama, it's $1200 off for a fully loaded top of the line 2016 model!!
http://prices.appleinsider.com/15-macbook-pro-with-touch-bar-late-2016
http://prices.appleinsider.com/15-macbook-pro-with-touch-bar-late-2016
A very sweet deal, indeed. Enjoy your computer without bias from the forums.
I've been going back and forth between 2015/2016/2017! The 2015's just feel too old at this point, and Apple refuses to offer a compelling price in the refurb store. The 2017's, dear god, they're just too expensive! 2016 seem to be entering a decent price range refurbished but people talk so much **** about them!
What do you guys think of this deal at Apple?? https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...core-Intel-Core-i7-with-Retina-display-Silver
What do you guys think of this deal at Apple?? https://www.apple.com/shop/product/...core-Intel-Core-i7-with-Retina-display-Silver
So to update this thread, Sold my old 2016 It actually died on the new owner with more freezing and issues... Turned out to be a Lemon, Went a New 2018 Maxed out Now this is an Epic Machine not a single issue,
Spec as follow:
With the following configuration:
• 2.6GHz 6-core eighth‑generation Intel Core i7 processor (Turbo Boost up to 4.3GHz)
• Radeon Pro Vega 20 with 4GB of HBM2 memory
• 32GB of 2400MHz DDR4 memory
• 1TB of SSD storage
• Retina display with True Tone
• Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
• Touch Bar and Touch ID
• PRO APPS 065-C171 NONE
• LOGIC PRO X 065-C172 NONE
• Backlit Keyboard — US English
• Accessory Kit
Spec as follow:
With the following configuration:
• 2.6GHz 6-core eighth‑generation Intel Core i7 processor (Turbo Boost up to 4.3GHz)
• Radeon Pro Vega 20 with 4GB of HBM2 memory
• 32GB of 2400MHz DDR4 memory
• 1TB of SSD storage
• Retina display with True Tone
• Four Thunderbolt 3 ports
• Touch Bar and Touch ID
• PRO APPS 065-C171 NONE
• LOGIC PRO X 065-C172 NONE
• Backlit Keyboard — US English
• Accessory Kit