who is now regretting there 2016 Pro like me.

[shadow82x]

Due to several defects I had in my 2016 TB (literately went through 5+ replacements) I'm still under the return period for my 16', hurray. So no, I don't regret it fully. I'm just hoping there aren't any defects on this one. (Such as screen bleed, random clicking, faulty keyboards..)

 

[AgentAnonymous]

It wasn't a big upgrade. Just a Kaby Lake and a SSD improvement( which wasn't needed as the SSD's on the MacBook are already some of the fastest).

They didn't add terraced batteries or a serious spec increase. It will be the MacBooks with Cannonlake that will have such an increase.

And a serious graphics power improvement.
[doublepost=1496780778][/doublepost]

Kaby Lake is a tuned version of SkyLake, it's architecturally the same CPU on the same fabrication. I wouldn't lose any sleep if you have SkyLake. Nice to have if you're buying new but I wouldn't waste your time upgrading if you have the SkyLake MBP. Hopefully we'll see better battery performance?

Not sure it's any better value either, they've just dropped a 128gb SSD as the base (yuk!) so the range start's at a lower price point.

You forgot the much better dGPU in the latest model.
[doublepost=1496780826][/doublepost]

I thought I would be miffed since I got my 15" in Feb. Thank god the upgrade is insignificant. I got the base 15" with the Radeon 460 with 4GB RAM last time around for the same price as the new base model with less video ram.

The combination of a new CPU generation and a much improved dGPU is a pretty big deal. The 460 was notoriously underpowered.

 

[vipergts2207]

And a serious graphics power improvement.
[doublepost=1496780778][/doublepost]
You forgot the much better dGPU in the latest model.
[doublepost=1496780826][/doublepost]
The combination of a new CPU generation and a much improved dGPU is a pretty big deal. The 460 was notoriously underpowered.

Maybe you missed the memo, but the 560 is just a rebadged 460.

 

[AgentAnonymous]

All of the spec updates were minor for 15" MBP users. The CPU bump isn't much to write home about and the new Radeon Pro 500 GPU's are likely just spec bumped Radeon Pro 400 GPU's. AMD and NVidia usually do that with their GPU's. Usually it takes two number increments for a meaningful change to arrive, i.e. when the Radeon Pro 600 series launches in 2018 most likely. The people who bought 13" 2016 MBP's though may have something to be a bit jealous about though since they don't have dedicated GPU's and the Kaby Lake GPU's seem to be the most meaningful upgrade.

Edited to add: GPU is a rebadge of the Radeon Pro 400 series.

http://creators.radeon.com/radeon-pro/

The 560 looks significantly superior to the 460. Sorry, but it's not just a tiny upgrade. It never is between GPU generations.

https://technical.city/en/video/Radeon-RX-560-mobile-vs-Radeon-RX-460-mobile-RX-460M
[doublepost=1496781035][/doublepost]

Maybe you missed the memo, but the 560 is just a rebadged 460.

Not true. See above.

 

[vipergts2207]

The 560 looks significantly superior to the 460. Sorry, but it's not just a tiny upgrade. It never is between GPU generations.

https://technical.city/en/video/Radeon-RX-560-mobile-vs-Radeon-RX-460-mobile-RX-460M
[doublepost=1496781035][/doublepost]
Not true. See above.

First, that site seems rather untrustworthy. Second, the RX 460 and Pro 460 are two different chips.

RX:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-460-Notebook-RX-460M.171186.0.html

Pro:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-Pro-460.181783.0.html

The MBP has the Pro.

And here it is straight from the horses mouth. The only difference is around 2% faster clocks in the Pro 560. Generally, every other GPU launch is just a rebadge, as this one is.

http://creators.radeon.com/radeon-pro/

 

[macmannate]

Apparently in Australia the 14 day return period starts over again if the computer needs replaced. The OP's claims of huge numbers of failures seems greatly exaggerated though. His tech says a client had 160/200 fail (80% failure rate)? His brother's business bought 10 and replaced all of them twice or more for a failure rate of at least 20/20 (100%)? Pure BS. If these things were failing at this rate, this forum would know for sure. Only way you'd get those kind of failure rates would be if they were being used in a sauna or someone's being extremely loose with the word 'failure'.

Can supply documentation if you want as others here have seen the same... Awkward. I feel board, keyboard, screen and unit replacements as failures what about you?.

When you get a mass of machines from all different areas it is highly likely....

Now, the fact my machines came broken damaged and failed....

How would this forum know if a company like the one I work in, my brothers or the tech themselves are posting it which I do not think they would be, I have 5 here out of 13 that have failed boards. Want the docs for that also?.... Why would these people post it on the forum?.

Let me break it down again, if you saw GSX you'd see the issues.

A simple google search also seems to show that they have significant issues

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...me..69i57j0.5333j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


[doublepost=1496785655][/doublepost]

Is it just me or does this seem super fake? This user has owned his Macbook for LESS than 14 days but has replaced it four times??? Unless you bought it stock that not physically possible, and moreover, its extremely unlikely in the first place; you really had 4 back to back failures in under 2 weeks...?

You obviously can not read and comprehend.

It was spaced out and the full story told own since Feb, In aust law 14 days starts again after each replacement.

Only had 2 weeks use due to replacement times , so my post states all this including the 5 months and also the times... Just like another user of over 5 machines in this same post.

 

[Exile714]

Can supply documentation if you want as others here have seen the same... Awkward. I feel board, keyboard, screen and unit replacements as failures what about you?.

When you get a mass of machines from all different areas it is highly likely....

Now, the fact my machines came broken damaged and failed....


[doublepost=1496785655][/doublepost]

You obviously can not read and comprehend.

It was spaced out and the full story told own since Feb, In aust law 14 days starts again after each replacement.

Only had 2 weeks use due to replacement times , so my post states all this including the 5 months and also the times... Just like another user of over 5 machines in this same post.

I'm not suggesting you are, but you have to admit some people are serial returners. They imagine a machine has this or that problem and return it over and over. Apple accommodates these people but often their experience happens with multiple products over the years.

In your case it could have been that you got return/refurbs which weren't fully repaired after an initial bad unit. That's what I figured reading your post.

One way or another, Maflynn eats that **** up. You can't post one of those stories without him/her jumping in. That's MacRumors!

 

[macmannate]

I'm not suggesting you are, but you have to admit some people are serial returners. They imagine a machine has this or that problem and return it over and over. Apple accommodates these people but often their experience happens with multiple products over the years.

In your case it could have been that you got return/refurbs which weren't fully repaired after an initial bad unit. That's what I figured reading your post.

One way or another, Maflynn eats that **** up. You can't post one of those stories without him/her jumping in. That's MacRumors!

I don't disagree I do not have the time to be a "serial" returner I want to turn it on and bloody use it like we want at work.

Mine were all brand new machines from the factory in full retail packaging and full slips from the factory.

Been a business client also they look after me a bit more.

 

[vipergts2207]

Can supply documentation if you want as others here have seen the same... Awkward. I feel board, keyboard, screen and unit replacements as failures what about you?.

When you get a mass of machines from all different areas it is highly likely....

Now, the fact my machines came broken damaged and failed....

How would this forum know if a company like the one I work in, my brothers or the tech themselves are posting it which I do not think they would be, I have 5 here out of 13 that have failed boards. Want the docs for that also?.... Why would these people post it on the forum?.

Let me break it down again, if you saw GSX you'd see the issues.

A simple google search also seems to show that they have significant issues

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...me..69i57j0.5333j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


[doublepost=1496785655][/doublepost]

You obviously can not read and comprehend.

It was spaced out and the full story told own since Feb, In aust law 14 days starts again after each replacement.

Only had 2 weeks use due to replacement times , so my post states all this including the 5 months and also the times... Just like another user of over 5 machines in this same post.

Sure feel free to post documentation, no one is stopping you. Your search result didn't reveal much. First link was about low battery life, which Apple fixed in a software update. Second link was about keyboard issues with some Macs. Haven't seen anything about the masses of board failures of which you speak.

 

[macmannate]

Sure feel free to post documentation, no one is stopping you. Your search result didn't reveal much. First link was about low battery life, which Apple fixed in a software update. Second link was about keyboard issues with some Macs. Haven't seen anything about the masses of board failures of which you speak.

You also can not seem to comprehend what I wrote and what the failures are.

"Boards are not the only issue", When I say repairs and failures it ranges through all. SSD Failure board gets replaced, Ram issue Board replaced, Wireless Board replaced ETC.

SO?

 

[vipergts2207]

You also can not seem to comprehend what I wrote and what the failures are.

"Boards are not the only issue", When I say repairs and failures it ranges through all. SSD Failure board gets replaced, Ram issue Board replaced, Wireless Board replaced ETC.

SO?

Seeing how everything is soldered onto a single logic board, it doesn't really matter what bit specifically failed. In the end the whole board would need to be replaced. And again, I've seen no evidence of masses of 2016 MBP's needing board replacements.

 

[macmannate]

Seeing how everything is soldered onto a single logic board, it doesn't really matter what bit specifically failed. In the end the whole board would need to be replaced. And again, I've seen no evidence of masses of 2016 MBP's needing board replacements.

Exactly it it does.

Do you work with in Apple or companies that have had the failures?

 

[Fthree]

Mid 2015 still going long and strong!!!! (although the touchbar with fingerprint id is appealing....)

 

[macmannate]

Company name covered and names these are all the repairs in 4 months on 10 of my machines and replacements what's that a fair few pages.

 

[vipergts2207]

Exactly it it does.

Do you work with in Apple or companies that have had the failures?

No I don't. If this were as widespread as you claim there would be evidence. Nothing more than a couple sporadic threads on individual board failures in the MBP subforum since launch in October. Something you'd expect for literally any consumer level product. Also, macrumors generally reports on widespread issues, as they did in the following two instances.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/12/03/macbook-pro-battery-life-concerns/

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/21/2016-macbook-pro-keyboard-issues/

 

[macmannate]

No I don't. If this were as widespread as you claim there would be evidence. Nothing more than a couple sporadic threads on individual board failures in the MBP subforum since launch in October. Something you'd expect for literally any consumer level product. Also, macrumors generally reports on widespread issues, as they did in the following two instances.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/12/03/macbook-pro-battery-life-concerns/

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/21/2016-macbook-pro-keyboard-issues/

You don't work for them and I will re iterate we don't post our failures as companies on a forum

 

[vipergts2207]

Company name covered and names these are all the repairs in 4 months on 10 of my machines and replacements what's that a fair few pages.

This is evidence of one (maybe two?) returns. And your claims don't jive with anything that's been reported elsewhere. If your specific situation actually is a true account, then your situation is just an extreme outlier, nothing more.

 

[macmannate]

No I don't. If this were as widespread as you claim there would be evidence. Nothing more than a couple sporadic threads on individual board failures in the MBP subforum since launch in October. Something you'd expect for literally any consumer level product. Also, macrumors generally reports on widespread issues, as they did in the following two instances.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/12/03/macbook-pro-battery-life-concerns/

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/21/2016-macbook-pro-keyboard-issues/

There is 25 pages there of replacements and repairs...

 

[vipergts2207]

There is 25 pages there of replacements and repairs...

Of which one page is actually visible. I'll say it again though, if true, your situation is just an extreme outlier and nothing more. It's not indicative of anything going on at a larger scale.

 

[macmannate]

Of which one page is actually visible. I'll say it again though, if true, your situation is just an extreme outlier and nothing more. It's not indicative of anything going on at a larger scale.

I'm not going to waste my time and show each case this is just for the 10 I have, not the 2 other companies.

 

[vipergts2207]

I'm not going to waste my time and show each case this is just for the 10 I have, not the 2 other companies.

I'm not even concerned about your specific case at this point anyway, let's say it's true. It still has no bearing on the fact that your situation is truly extraordinary and not the norm.

 

[macmannate]

I'm not even concerned about your specific case at this point anyway, let's say it's true. It still has no bearing on the fact that your situation is truly extraordinary and not the norm.

Which case mine? With the 4 machines? What about old mate with the 5 or the others with multi replacements?.

Get off it, they ain't what they used to be.

 

[vipergts2207]

Which case mine? With the 4 machines? What about old mate with the 5 or the others with multi replacements?.

Get off it, they ain't what they used to be.

Second hand accounts on your part. Quite strange that this thread is the first place I'm hearing about the masses 2016 MBP failures. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have yet to meet that burden of proof, the end.

 

[macmannate]

Second hand accounts on your part. Quite strange that this thread is the first place I'm hearing about the masses 2016 MBP failures. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have yet to meet that burden of proof, the end.

Okay, Im going to stop arguing with someone who 1 does not work for apple 2 does not work in any of the companies with the failures 3 is not a site tech for them and 4 I have given paper work 5 not everyone posts on the forum for failures as I don't know that's not a business thing, we don't go look macrumours half our machine in our work place have failed here is the proof so viper can get off on it.

 

[Appleaker]

Kaby Lake is a tuned version of SkyLake, it's architecturally the same CPU on the same fabrication. I wouldn't lose any sleep if you have SkyLake. Nice to have if you're buying new but I wouldn't waste your time upgrading if you have the SkyLake MBP. Hopefully we'll see better battery performance?

Not sure it's any better value either, they've just dropped a 128gb SSD as the base (yuk!) so the range start's at a lower price point.

Way cheaper? I think not, 15" prices are the same across the board, I'm actually tempted to get 2016 model with $200 off from B&H. I don't see the need for new processor.

The preconfigured models are not cheaper, but it is better value for the 15" GPU. They have upgraded the GPUs to the next level, so the 2GB 555 is standard on the entry config and the 4GB 560 is standard on the higher end.
In fact they've done it with dGPUs across the board, the BTO GPU is now standard on the higher end config and all other GPU models have moved down. They seem to be paying attention to graphics again.
[doublepost=1496791362][/doublepost]

Maybe you missed the memo, but the 560 is just a rebadged 460.

Thats true (although there is a very very small improvement) but they do have better dGPUs in the preconfigured models because the 555 and 560 are the standard GPUs, rather than 450 and 455 last year.