who is now regretting there 2016 Pro like me.

[macmannate]

The preconfigured models are not cheaper, but it is better value for the 15" GPU. They have upgraded the GPUs to the next level, so the 2GB 555 is standard on the entry config and the 4GB 560 is standard on the higher end.
In fact they've done it with dGPUs across the board, the BTO GPU is now standard on the higher end config and all other GPU models have moved down. They seem to be paying attention to graphics again.
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Thats true (although there is a very very small improvement) but they do have better dGPUs in the preconfigured models because the 555 and 560 are the standard GPUs, rather than 450 and 455 last year.

this is the nice bit

 

[Appleaker]

Im not too worried about the new spec upgrades. I think we all saw Kaby lake coming plus each generations of intel CPUs are only providing some modest speed bump in performance. The dGPU seems to have gone up from the 460 to 560, but not much information is available. Those two things seems to be only things that were upgraded. So eh, I can live with my purchase, so far it has been my favorite MBP and is serving me well with my graphic engine design classes.

Im more interesting in the new iMac Pros they announced. I wonder if they are going to completely kill off the Mac Pro line.

Wondering if they'll kill off the Mac Pro may have been valid before April (although i've always argued against it), but Apple have literally confirmed a new Mac Pro. This iMac Pro will probably share the specs with the Mac Pro, but the Mac Pro will be internally upgradeable and expandable unlike the locked down iMac Pro.
The iMac Pro is for those who use iMac but wanted more power, and those that don't mind the locked down Mac Pro and would be interested in moving to the more powerful and better value iMac Pro.
But I do agree that it is very interesting, both to see how these models perform with the design, and to see where it goes in the future.

 

[vipergts2207]

Okay, Im going to stop arguing with some 1 does not work for apple 2 does not work in any of the companies with the failures 3 is not a site tech for them and 4 I have given paper work 5 not everyone posts on the forum for failures as I don't know that's not a business thing, we don't go look macrumours half our machine in our work place have failed here is the proof so viper can get off on it.

Doesn't matter if I work for an involved company or not. Doesn't change the fact that you're the only source talking about mass failures. Have a nice day though.

 

[macmannate]

Wondering if they'll kill off the Mac Pro may have been valid before April (although i've always argued against it), but Apple have literally confirmed a new Mac Pro. This iMac Pro will probably share the specs with the Mac Pro, but the Mac Pro will be internally upgradeable and expandable unlike the locked down iMac Pro.
The iMac Pro is for those who use iMac but wanted more power, and those that don't mind the locked down Mac Pro and would be interested in moving to the more powerful and better value iMac Pro.
But I do agree that it is very interesting, both to see how these models perform with the design, and to see where it goes in the future.

I'm really hoping they build a new pro.

 

[Another Day]

Doesn't matter if I work for an involved company or not. Doesn't change the fact that you're the only source talking about mass failures. Have a nice day though.

We have ~150 2016 MBP deployed in my department. No massive failure here everyone is happy with their new 2016 MBP.

I did experience battery drain with one of my 16 tbMBP but apple took care of that.

 

[vipergts2207]

We have ~150 2016 MBP deployed in my department. No massive failure here everyone is happy with their new 2016 MBP.

I did experience battery drain with one of my 16 tbMBP but apple took care of that.

Really? That's surprising, as at least 120 should have failed by now.

 

[bevsb2]

I've enjoyed using my 2016 15" since launch and have no regrets. No problems with it. Love it.

 

[Trixs]

We have ~150 2016 MBP deployed in my department. No massive failure here everyone is happy with their new 2016 MBP.

I did experience battery drain with one of my 16 tbMBP but apple took care of that.

How did they fix that, they just replaced?

 

[Another Day]

How did they fix that, they just replaced?

Replaced it with a brand new one.

 

[Aurora Wright]

So:
CPU: Kaby Lake is basically Skylake with native h265 10 bit decoding (which is done via the iGPU or dGPU on Skylake), some Intel DRM needed to watch 4K videos on netflix and the like, and a tiny speed bump
GPU: rebadges with a slight overclock (you can actually get a way higher OC on Windows with these chips, I pushed my 460 to +6,5% core clock and 1,250 -> 1600 MHz memory with no voltage changes, so it looks like a factory OC)
RAM, SSD: same on MBPs.

Considering I have no plans of making use of 4k Netflix, I have nothing to regret, my old machine was dying (iSight/WiFi card/DVD drive lens/battery all dead and I needed a new one.

 

[Antairez]

Probably won't be upgrading anytime soon until they release a quad core cpu for their 13" lineup.

 

[smirking]

who else is feeling it like me... what do you all think?

Absolutely no regrets here. Zero.

I made a lot of money and saved a lot of time in the 5 months that I've owned my 2016 and my eyes feel better every day from having a 5K monitor to look at.

And the 2017 upgrade was rather feeble as previously predicted.
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Way cheaper? I think not, 15" prices are the same across the board, I'm actually tempted to get 2016 model with $200 off from B&H. I don't see the need for new processor.

Go for it. The 2017 was a light bump. The biggest change was in the number on the graphics card from 460 to 560 and it turns out that it's not even a change. The 460 is now being referred to as the 560. Wow, ya gotta be kidding me! ATI must be trollin.

 

[montanaco]

You obviously can not read and comprehend.

It was spaced out and the full story told own since Feb, In aust law 14 days starts again after each replacement.

Only had 2 weeks use due to replacement times , so my post states all this including the 5 months and also the times... Just like another user of over 5 machines in this same post.

Yeah I'm gonna go with I still don't believe you. You're too salty and aggressive towards forum members to merit any sympathy. Hope your apple problems get fixed one day!
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Apparently in Australia the 14 day return period starts over again if the computer needs replaced. The OP's claims of huge numbers of failures seems greatly exaggerated though. His tech says a client had 160/200 fail (80% failure rate)? His brother's business bought 10 and replaced all of them twice or more for a failure rate of at least 20/20 (100%)? Pure BS. If these things were failing at this rate, this forum would know for sure. Only way you'd get those kind of failure rates would be if they were being used in a sauna or someone's being extremely loose with the word 'failure'.

Ah, I see. Wish the US had something like that.

And lol, yeah I'm still not buying it.

 

[Ayemerica]

I'm sure you've all been around long enough to know that apple releases a new laptop and it will be slightly better specs wise. I don't think you should feel bad about your 2016 laptop, its not like its just useless now its still going to be doing everything it has been how ever long you have had it. As well as for years to come.

 

[Fishrrman]

I'm not regretting it.
I bought a -2015- MacBook Pro just after the 2016's were announced. I tried the new ones, but like the old keyboard better and I definitely preferred having the full complement of "legacy ports".
And since it now appears that the 2015 will no longer be sold, I've even less "regret" than before!

 

[nylon]

And since it now appears that the 2015 will no longer be sold, I've even less "regret" than before!

The previous design is still being sold at least for the 15" MBP.

 

[HerbertDerb]

I can feel sore nuts of 2016 early adopters, if the 20% increase in the performance is true.

 

[vipergts2207]

I can feel sore nuts of 2016 early adopters, if the 20% increase in the performance is true.

I posted this in the news article thread. I'm not sure I agree with taking the average from the 2016 launch. If you look at the 2016 MBP results from near launch and those run recently, there is a significant difference. Newer runs seem to average somewhere in the mid 14,000's. I assume Apple has done some software optimizations for this hardware since launch. Though I may be wrong, the 20% performance gain seems to be greatly overstated.

 

[macintoshmac]

Apparently in Australia the 14 day return period starts over again if the computer needs replaced. The OP's claims of huge numbers of failures seems greatly exaggerated though. His tech says a client had 160/200 fail (80% failure rate)? His brother's business bought 10 and replaced all of them twice or more for a failure rate of at least 20/20 (100%)? Pure BS. If these things were failing at this rate, this forum would know for sure. Only way you'd get those kind of failure rates would be if they were being used in a sauna or someone's being extremely loose with the word 'failure'.

He failed to understand the meaning of the word and failed to use it properly, consequently.
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Company name covered and names these are all the repairs in 4 months on 10 of my machines and replacements what's that a fair few pages.

Is this Apple machines you are talking about? Could be a 5 year old Sony Vaio for all we know. No mention of Apple MacBook Pro 2016 anywhere.

 

[macmannate]

Yeah I'm gonna go with I still don't believe you. You're too salty and aggressive towards forum members to merit any sympathy. Hope your apple problems get fixed one day!
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Ah, I see. Wish the US had something like that.

And lol, yeah I'm still not buying it.

i have a full thread on the replacement as they happened from the first one on here .

Yeh I am salty, I'm stuck with a lemon computer.
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Yeah I'm gonna go with I still don't believe you. You're too salty and aggressive towards forum members to merit any sympathy. Hope your apple problems get fixed one day!
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Ah, I see. Wish the US had something like that.

And lol, yeah I'm still not buying it.

4 replacement's not including original delivery

 

[mcpryon2]

I've done a 180 on mine (15" 1TB 460) and after doing a week-long project on the road I'm fully in regretsville. My external monitor blinks off and sometimes doesn't come back on, my USB mouse consistently doesn't respond after sleep (despite the lights being on), the built-in display flickers, and if I don't open the lid before I undock the external monitor it sometimes just doesn't come back on. And I've tried for a couple of months but I'm just never going to get used to the keyboard.

Though, I did finally actually use the Touch Bar in Photoshop to do something. I accidentally hit "buttons" on the touch bar more than I've ever used them for anything.

I wish I'd just waited for the new iMac for doing real stuff, though the display on the 2016 is great. But my life is a series of bad decision, next of which will be me selling it and eating $800.

 

[macintoshmac]

But my life is a series of bad decision, next of which will be me selling it and eating $800.

So, really, why not stop this series of bad decisions here and now, and take another look at the notebook, this time not expecting it to be anything but what it is?

 

[mcpryon2]

So, really, why not stop this series of bad decisions here and now, and take another look at the notebook, this time not expecting it to be anything but what it is?

True, I could just expect it to not work and not be disappointed. I use it for work so I take another look at it six days a week.

It passes diagnostics so the Apple Store reps can't really do anything to help. I've tried the usually resets and reinstallations but I can't seem to shake peripherals not being recognized after sleep. It's one of the testiest Macs I've encountered. I could just relegate it to being an encoding machine, but I have Mac Pros for that. As for the keyboard, I just can't get used to it. But that's a subjective thing, just like the feeling of regret.

 

[macintoshmac]

True, I could just expect it to not work and not be disappointed. I use it for work so I take another look at it six days a week.

It passes diagnostics so the Apple Store reps can't really do anything to help. I've tried the usually resets and reinstallations but I can't seem to shake peripherals not being recognized after sleep. It's one of the testiest Macs I've encountered. I could just relegate it to being an encoding machine, but I have Mac Pros for that. As for the keyboard, I just can't get used to it. But that's a subjective thing, just like the feeling of regret.

Most of the issues you mention are software related, not per se to the new MBP. I am in no way defending it, far from it. Apple has indeed pushed the boundaries as they always do, only this time they pushed the boundaries of user patience and loyalty with their new notebooks that have been caused massive furore with the people who know how to cause a furore and have the platform and means to cause it.

Does your pervious generation notebook work perfectly under Sierra?

 

[macmannate]

Most of the issues you mention are software related, not per se to the new MBP. I am in no way defending it, far from it. Apple has indeed pushed the boundaries as they always do, only this time they pushed the boundaries of user patience and loyalty with their new notebooks that have been caused massive furore with the people who know how to cause a furore and have the platform and means to cause it.

Does your pervious generation notebook work perfectly under Sierra?

My MacBook Pro 2016 is sitting on the desk and my 2011 been abused due to it working better. It's been a great disappointment.