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Definitely if the company took his money and refused to do anything about it, there's be a real problem, but the story to me sounds more like: he made an unusual request, he WAS warned it was something they didn't usually do, and asked for it anyway, and while whoever was helping him conceded it was possible, they still messed it up. Likely because it wasn't something they were used to, not because they thought "let's ruin this customers day." And ultimately it is getting resolved.

To me this doesn't sound like gross mistreatment or some largely systemic problem that needs to be exposéd to the public. It seems like some honest mistakes that were hopefully apologized, but not entitling one to special compensation.
 
Not really. It happens all the time. There are tons of threads of employees at BB pulling stunts like this.

OP, split tender is not a very common payment method for online sales. Most companies will let you split a bill between a gift card(s) and an actual credit card (what you should have done), but not many will allow you to split between credit cards.

I would take this as a lesson learned. You should have been prepared for a complicated transaction like this to go south, and have been prepared to go to the necessary lengths to rectify it.

Again, the MUCH easier route would have been to buy a giftcard on the one credit card for half the purchase price, then use the other card for the other half of the purchase.

Fair enough. I haven't thought bout the gift-cards. That is a good one. I could have bought them with my own money at the re-seller and use them in the store.

However I stick to my point that the way they treated me not he phone at Apple Asia just isn't right. Ignorant and not keeping their promises. It seemed the split thing was possible, so why not perform it right the first time. And if not possible, they should have told me at forehand.

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he WAS warned it was something they didn't usually do

No Sir, It wasn't like that. They told me friendly and nicely that this isn't a problem at all. Just place my order and call back. As well USA store as the Asia store put it like that. If I was aware of the difficulty I would't even start it.

The trouble started after I actually placed the order and call back to make it split. They promised again they would do it. Then they send an email for ID identification to my girlfriend. In that same email again we put the request. And they just ignored it all and did it their way.
 
Fair enough. I haven't thought bout the gift-cards. That is a good one. I could have bought them with my own money at the re-seller and use them in the store.

However I stick to my point that the way they treated me not he phone at Apple Asia just isn't right. Ignorant and not keeping their promises. It seemed the split thing was possible, so why not perform it right the first time. And if not possible, they should have told me at forehand.

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No Sir, It wasn't like that. They told me friendly and nicely that this isn't a problem at all. Just place my order and call back. As well USA store as the Asia store put it like that. If I was aware of the difficulty I would't even start it.

The trouble started after I actually placed the order and call back to make it split. They promised again they would do it. Then they send an email for ID identification to my girlfriend. In that same email again we put the request. And they just ignored it all and did it their way.
I understand why you are frustrated but this doesn't entirely come down to Apple's mistake.


As stated previously it is not wholly legal to use somebody elses credit card with written permission or not. You should have found a way to pay using a single card by the owner of this card.



Just my 2c.
 
Not really. It happens all the time. There are tons of threads of employees at BB pulling stunts like this.

OP, split tender is not a very common payment method for online sales. Most companies will let you split a bill between a gift card(s) and an actual credit card (what you should have done), but not many will allow you to split between credit cards.

I would take this as a lesson learned. You should have been prepared for a complicated transaction like this to go south, and have been prepared to go to the necessary lengths to rectify it.

Again, the MUCH easier route would have been to buy a giftcard on the one credit card for half the purchase price, then use the other card for the other half of the purchase.

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Not really. I am annoyed they don't listen to the wish of the customer. I was annoyed that some people here call Apple because they waiting to long for their MBPr (still in between the indicated delivery time by Apple) and then get a free super drive. I am happy for those who get the free super drive, but it doesn't feel fair if people who didn't had any struggle just get compensated and those who really had a struggle don't

Personally if I was buying something over split credit cards then I would make sure they did it like that, if they didn't I would cancel the Order - that would make them listen.

Moaning because you don't get a superdrive gets you nowhere and you shouldn't assume to be compensated.

Why don't you just ring up Apple Asia and ask to speak to a manager, then you might get some head-way, rather than defending yourself on an internet forum...
 
Not really. It happens all the time. There are tons of threads of employees at BB pulling stunts like this.

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Apple is not Best Buy and by God I hope it never will be. If this is Best Buy forum I will simply say to the OP "tough luck!".
 
I've bought things from apple several times with two forms of payment and it isn't all that uncommon at least that is what all the representatives have told me before. Every time I have asked, they have always said that it isn't an issue to use more than one form of payment. If it is over the phone, they just take down both card numbers and split the purchase price however you ask them to across the cards.

They defiantly messed up your order and made it much more difficult than it should have been. I would call back and cancel to get a refund especially since they charged 1.5x what they should have all to the same card.

If you do call back, don't ask for the superdrive or any other compensation just focus on getting the old order cancelled and a new order split across the cards like you wanted. Once that is done then maybe you can ask about some kind of compensation but really just focus on the order. That's what I would be worrying about if I was in the same situation.
 
Apple is not Best Buy and by God I hope it never will be. If this is Best Buy forum I will simply say to the OP "tough luck!".

No it's not the best buy forum, but you said it was a "serious crime in retail". Just saying, this happens with several other retailers as well. AT&T and Verizon are notorious for lying to customers to get them to switch to more expensive plans.

Apple has its issues and whatever rep the OP talked to was obviously full of ****. But it's a rather uncommon situation, with an uncommon request. You have to remember that he hadn't bought the computer yet. So the rep was probably still in "sales rep" mode, not "customer service" mode.

Step 1: Secure the sale
Step 2: Deal with everything else
 
Why are people giving the OP a hard time? Apple screwed up how Hard is it to understand. Paying with more than one card is not uncommon at all. Apple lets you do it right on their website I do it all the time since I make very large purchase orders for my business. You can use three cards or more if you want to pay for the item that way. You can even enter what amount you want to pay on each card on their website in their the payment system. For example:

2200 total bill. You can put 1750 on one card and 450 on the other. You can even use a third card if you like. And a fourth also. Not uncommon at all, not complex at all. As easy as using one card.
 
Couldn't agree with you more actually. The high horse comment was directed more at the people just having a go at him, assuming he was committing some kind of fraud, and not answering the actual question. You're right he shouldn't have even mentioned that. I just get a bit sick and tired of people who jump in on threads shouting and screaming and not adding any value.

He obviously made the situation difficult by trying to do it a non standard way. Having said that, 'my system won't allow me to do it' isn't a valid excuse from customer services as far as i'm concerned when the mistake is on the part of the company. That's the reason you have managers and supervisors who can bypass automated procedures. At the end of the day, putting aside the fact that it might have been a lot easier a different way (in person), they DID say it was possible, then reneged on that afterwards.

Let's just for a minute imagine this wasn't apple, and some other little company who told you yes yes we can do that, to get the sale, and then afterwards just did whatever they wanted. I think more people would be on the OP's side. IF what he's saying is true, it sounds like they really can't be bothered over there at apple asia, and weather its apple or not, its not acceptable. If someone did that in my company, i'd sure as hell want to know about it.

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Actually you're both wrong and right.

Legally I CAN do that, and there isn't any law, regulation, term or condition saying I can't. Where it becomes a problem is exactly in the situation you're talking about, and that's not defined well.

For credit card fraud, chargebacks etc, decisions are heavily biased towards the customer, and it's the responsibility of the retailer to prove they did the relevant checks, and that the card owner DID indeed make the purchase in good faith. After 6 months it's the card owners responsibility to prove he did not make that purchase (Which is why most people thing there is a 6 month limit on chargebacks).

If you as a retailer take payment from someone and don't do the relevant checks, then you have to take the hit. As the OP said they asked for ID from the owner, and in that case they would be covered, and the credit card company takes the hit.

In a different situation, IF the owner of the card passed on security details to the OP so that he could process the transaction, then they are no longer covered by the normal protection of the card company. But realistically how will they prove that!

My point was it is NOT illegal to let someone else use your card with your permission. The only issue is proving after the fact if they did or did not give you permission if they later deny it, and for the retailer ensuring there was enough due diligence.

I think you misunderstood me, because I'm not really saying it's illegal to give someone your credit card. Obviously, it is not a crime, to lend someone your credit card and have them try to use it. You will not be thrown in jail, you will have no charges pressed against you.

However, legally, Apple cannot and will not accept that card, if the cardholder is not present.

I repeat, it is not illegal, but the legality of Apple accepting the card remains as I once stated it. At least in the United States, I'm not sure about OP our your location.
 
Why are people giving the OP a hard time? Apple screwed up how Hard is it to understand. Paying with more than one card is not uncommon at all. Apple lets you do it right on their website I do it all the time since I make very large purchase orders for my business. You can use three cards or more if you want to pay for the item that way. You can even enter what amount you want to pay on each card on their website in their the payment system. For example:

2200 total bill. You can put 1750 on one card and 450 on the other. You can even use a third card if you like.

He's right. There is an option for a second card. Never knew that.

I know amazon does not let you use a second card. Must differ from store to store.
 
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Also, it appears you disagree that Apple can in fact accept the card - as a separate argument. I have nothing to say to this other than I believe you are incorrect. And I'm sure you believe I am incorrect.
 
No Sir, It wasn't like that. They told me friendly and nicely that this isn't a problem at all. Just place my order and call back. As well USA store as the Asia store put it like that. If I was aware of the difficulty I would't even start it.

The trouble started after I actually placed the order and call back to make it split. They promised again they would do it. Then they send an email for ID identification to my girlfriend. In that same email again we put the request. And they just ignored it all and did it their way.

If that is indeed the case then my apologies, I had been under the impression that it was presented as a potential difficulty from the get go, and you had requested it anyway. Sorry you had to go through it, although it is still pretty much par for the course in such situations where you have to call in multiple times and get a different person each time. It is super frustrating, but i do honestly doubt it was anyone's goal to either disregard your request or to double bill you. Just bad luck with getting a poorly trained individual helping you on the call back.

I guess if you really want to pursue the compensation route for your trouble you can try, but in the end you are going to get the computer and the proper billing,and sometimes it's best just to leave it at that!

Best of luck to you, sir.
 
No it's not the best buy forum, but you said it was a "serious crime in retail". Just saying, this happens with several other retailers as well. AT&T and Verizon are notorious for lying to customers to get them to switch to more expensive plans.

Just because lousy retailers did it doesn't make it OK. I have a high standard, you might not. That's all fine and dandy. I myself am sure never shop where it didn't keep its words (to me).

(btw, I didn't talk about "crime" in legal term, in case you didn't notice.)
 
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Just because lousy retailers did it doesn't make it OK. I have a high standard, you might not. That's all fine and dandy.

(btw, I didn't talk about "crime" in legal term, in case you didn't notice. I talked about it in "principle" term)

I caught on to the context. Don't worry.

Regardless of how you believe it should be, precautions should be taken. An informed consumer who has done their research will be perfectly happy when they complete their transaction.

I don't think the OP did as much research as he could have. There was an option to buy online and take advantage of split tender. There was also the ability to use a gift card instead of the second credit card. Clearly their were better options.

What if it was that rep's first day on the job? Or something he/she had never encountered? They have to secure the sale, so he/she made a rash decision. I don't blame them, their paycheck depends upon the OP purchasing a computer.
 
I caught on to the context. Don't worry.

Regardless of how you believe it should be, precautions should be taken. An informed consumer who has done their research will be perfectly happy when they complete their transaction.

I don't think the OP did as much research as he could have. There was an option to buy online and take advantage of split tender. There was also the ability to use a gift card instead of the second credit card. Clearly their were better options.

What if it was that rep's first day on the job? Or something he/she had never encountered? They have to secure the sale, so he/she made a rash decision. I don't blame them, their paycheck depends upon the OP purchasing a computer.

You have good points there. I'm sure the OP had made some mistake. Still, a rep or whoever who works in sale shouldn't promise a client anything he/she's not "absolutely" sure about. And if a 1st class retaler like Apple, which I love to shop, has someone like this working. Someone should report it immediately, preferably to the person who can act quickly.
 
You have good points there. I'm sure the OP had made some mistake. Still, a rep or whoever who works in sale shouldn't promise a client anything he/she's not "absolutely" sure about. And if a 1st class retaler like Apple, which I love to shop, has someone like this working. Someone should report it immediately, preferably to the person who can act quickly.

I agree that giving false info to a consumer is fundamentally wrong. However, I think consumers should be wary of it. I think we're pretty much in agreement here. :)
 
I think you misunderstood me, because I'm not really saying it's illegal to give someone your credit card. Obviously, it is not a crime, to lend someone your credit card and have them try to use it. You will not be thrown in jail, you will have no charges pressed against you.

However, legally, Apple cannot and will not accept that card, if the cardholder is not present.

I repeat, it is not illegal, but the legality of Apple accepting the card remains as I once stated it. At least in the United States, I'm not sure about OP our your location.

I think we're splitting hairs here.. So we agree it's not illegal to let someone use your card... Using it remotely (phone/online) is always processed as 'cardholder not present' when processed, since they are not physically in front of you. That's how it works in the UK anyway.

It's not illegal for apple to accept the card, although it may be against their own terms or rules. I guess the point is, it's not illegal for either things, but that doesn't mean they will do it.
 
Just want to keep you updated,

I am contacted by a superior in from the payment department.

They corrected the mistake and refunded the overcharge. They will charge both credit cards when the product get shipped. I keep you informed. So far I am satisfied again with Apple and I look forward to my new rMBP.
 
I wanted to split my bill over two credit cards.

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The gave me a huge struggle and they kept forcing me to just use one credit card (however before I ordered they told me it isn't a problem at all and they can easily split the bill)

Long story short. After 3 days of calling, loosing 3 hours of my time, they still didn't grand my wish and everything was charged on one credit card!

After calling them furious, in attempt to correct their mistakes they charged one credit-card 1.5 times!

This isn't my credit card, I don't own a credit card, and I got a lot of trouble with the credit card owner for this.

Err....if the card wasn't yours, why are you even partially using it?

 
Err....if the card wasn't yours, why are you even partially using it?


God there we get the judge-mental high horse behavior again....

-Firstly this isn't relevant at all about the fact if Apple treat me good or not.

-Secondly it isn't forbidden to use someone else credit card with her or his consent.

-Third if you had read the whole thread, you had read that Apple send a ID identification mail to my girlfriend (as agreed with Apple) to get her written permission. All by the book and all as agreed with Apple.

So what is really your problem here?
 
God there we get the judge-mental high horse behavior again....

-Firstly this isn't relevant at all about the fact if Apple treat me good or not.

-Secondly it isn't forbidden to use someone else credit card with her or his consent.

-Third if you had read the whole thread, you had read that Apple send a ID identification mail to my girlfriend (as agreed with Apple) to get her written permission. All by the book and all as agreed with Apple.

So what is really your problem here?

It's a simple question intended to help you, whether you accept that help is up to you.

If you walk into a store with the intention of purchasing a product and the money is 100% yours, you don't run into issues like this. On the contrary, you have a much cleaner buying experience; thus, your dissatisfaction with Apple is self-inflicted. You created a convoluted situation, likely in your impatience at buying something.

It's your business, but I suggest to you that you take this as a learning lesson and accept at least partial blame for making a simple transaction harder in your impatience...it's all I'm sayin.
 
You know what they could have done? Denied you the use of the credit card, which by your own admission, you don't even own. Did you have written consent from the credit card owners? If not what you just did was commit credit card fraud.

The whole "the customer is always right" thing is taken too far by some people who think that the world owes them just because they have some modicum of money.

Interesting point of view. You do know that giving legal advice without being a lawyer is an civil or criminal offence in some places, don't you? Or is it that you are a lawyer, and you know it to be fraud in the particular places in which the OP comes from, the card is based, or the transaction is based? Or is it that you are not a lawyer, and you are just making it up? I think it's the latter myself.

I would have thought that if my mother has a credit card, and gives me permission to speak over the telephone on her behalf and use it with her spoken consent, then in many places that is not fraud at all. She can either then give me what was purchased, sell it to me or put it in the rubbish. Either way, the ordering is not fraud at all. If Apple doesn't accept this, then that's their right as a business. But it doesn't make it fraud on the part of the person speaking on behalf of the card owner.

As you were saying?
 
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