Who will upgrade to Sierra on day 1?

Discussion in 'macOS Sierra (10.12)' started by SteveJobzniak, Sep 17, 2016.


Will you upgrade on day 1?

  1. Yes (why?)

  2. No (why?)

  3. Haven't decided (why?)

  1. ZivaD macrumors regular


    Oct 11, 2012
    Doing it now, if something goes wrong, it'll get fixed, a few people will make a massive thing about it on the internet and life will go on.
    And in the end, delaying downloading is only delaying getting it sorted.
  2. SteveJobzniak, Sep 20, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2016

    SteveJobzniak thread starter macrumors 6502


    Dec 24, 2015

    I am doing an upgrade-install from El Capitan to Sierra, because let's not be clean-freaks either. I don't want to waste 5 days reinstalling and configuring all apps all over again.

    And just to be extra risky, I am not making any Time Machine backup.

    Here we go. Sierra on the MBP 2010! If I am not back in an hour, this installation went horribly wrong...

    PS: I know of only one bug with the MBP 2010. If you use Siri, it starts a service that requires the dedicated graphics card, and stays that way until you reboot. That should get fixed by Apple in a later update. I don't care now. Give me Sierra!
  3. limey91 macrumors newbie


    Sep 15, 2016
    Yeah sure, why not. Time Machine backup taken. Download started. Bring on Sierra!
  4. CTHarrryH macrumors 68000

    Jul 4, 2012
    Taking forever to install. Went through process where it counted down (each minute took 2-3 to happen). Then went blank came back to bar but no time for about 25 minutes then flashed and now back to count where it left off.
    Hope it gets done this year. Download time I understand but Apple needs better communication that something is happening and not frozen
  5. DHeck macrumors newbie


    Jul 22, 2010
    Pgh, PA
    Just installed it on my Mid-2015 MBP, no issues for me, seems to run smooth and also gained a little more storage space.
  6. grcar Suspended


    Sep 28, 2014
    With the old Apple (when Steve Jobs was running it) no problem. With the new Apple (seems nobody is checking quality control) big problem. Will wait until somebody else shoots themselves in the foot.
  7. SteveJobzniak, Sep 20, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2016

    SteveJobzniak thread starter macrumors 6502


    Dec 24, 2015
    EDIT: FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MACBOOK PRO 2010 BUGS IN SIERRA, ALL RELEVANT INFO FROM THIS POST HAS BEEN MOVED TO A SEPARATE THREAD INSTEAD: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads...h-affect-all-macbook-pro-2010-models.2000559/


    Installation took about 25 minutes on a MacBook Pro 2010 with an SSD.

    I barely notice any difference. I am gonna have to install a new desktop wallpaper to make it feel new.

    This is stable and uneventful.

    Siri is nice, but its servers are overloaded right now.

    MacBook Pro 2010 also has the usual issue with overzealous switching to the dedicated GPU. Currently these apps require the dGPU for me:

    - gfxCardStatus 2.3 (yes this app itself has a bug caused by Sierra and the developer isn't active anymore; read all about it here https://github.com/codykrieger/gfxCardStatus/issues/240).
    - SiriNCService (Siri requires the dedicated GPU and it stays like this all the time except if I disable Siri; hopefully Apple fixes that later, after lots of MBP 2010 users complain to them about the fans running all the time and the battery life sucking).
    - BetterTouchTool 1.86 (and I also tried the previous 1.83 version and saw the same issue. the app already has "NSSupportsAutomaticGraphicsSwitching" in Info.plist, so that's not it. this shows that Sierra has changed some frameworks and how graphics switching works, and that this app and gfxCardStatus, and very likely other ones too, will now trigger the dGPU whereas in the past they didn't).

    Temporary workaround: Disable Siri, Quit gfxCardStatus and BetterTouchTool.

    So, to summarize it:

    - Sierra has modified some graphics framework which now causes the MacBook Pro 2010 to enable the dedicated GPU in a few more apps than in the past. But it still seems to be a very specific, isolated thing... because heavy apps like Apple Pages and Zengobi Curio do NOT trigger the dGPU for me. So hopefully BetterTouchTool and gfxCardStatus can be fixed!
    - Siri requires the dedicated GPU in the MacBook Pro 2010.
    - Hopefully Apple fixes these. I can't live without BetterTouchTool and gfxCardStatus, and come on Apple, what the hell is so hard about not using the dedicated GPU? I don't get how Apple still hasn't figured that out. ;)


    Edit: Meh, decided to check all my apps to see which ones trigger the dedicated GPU on the MBP 2010:

    • 1Password 6: No
    • Affinity Designer: YES, but it did that on El Capitan too. (Note: The app has an option to "use only integrated GPU" but it doesn't work in Sierra, not sure if it worked on El Capitan. May never have worked on MacBook Pro 2010s, since Apple's frameworks require MBP 2011 or later for certain integrated GPU capabilities)
    • Affinity Photo: YES, but it did that on El Capitan too. (Note: The app has an option to "use only integrated GPU" but it doesn't work in Sierra, not sure if it worked on El Capitan. May never have worked on MacBook Pro 2010s, since Apple's frameworks require MBP 2011 or later for certain integrated GPU capabilities)
    • Airflow: No
    • Alfred 3: No
    • Anki: No
    • Apple's built-in apps: No (except Apple Photos, which strangely requires the dGPU!)
    • Apple's iWork apps: No (except iMovie, but that's logical to require the dGPU since it's heavy)
    • Arq: No
    • Audio Hijack 3: No
    • BetterTouchTool: YES, and it DIDN'T do that on El Capitan!
    • BetterZip 3: No
    • Caffeine: No
    • Curio 10: No
    • DEVONthink Pro Office 2: No
    • Disk Sensei: No
    • Dropbox: No (but be sure you're running the latest 10.4.26 beta or later, because the latest public release requires the GPU (even on El Cap), and they fixed that in the next Dropbox beta)
    • Fantastical 2: No
    • Gemini 2: No
    • gfxCardStatus 2.3: YES, and it DIDN'T do that on El Capitan!
    • Google Chrome: YES, but it did that on El Capitan too.
    • Helium: No
    • Logic Pro X: YES, as soon as you open a project it requires the dGPU, but it did that on El Capitan too.
    • OmniFocus 2: No
    • Skype 7: No
    • Transmission: No
    • Typinator 6: No
    • Vitamin-R: No
    • VLC: YES, and I don't remember if it did that on El Capitan. Can anyone with a MacBook Pro 2010 and El Capitan check?
    • Xee: YES, but it did that on El Capitan too. (Note: The app has an option to uncheck "use discrete GPU if available" but it doesn't work in Sierra, not sure if it worked on El Capitan. May never have worked on MacBook Pro 2010s, since Apple's frameworks require MBP 2011 or later for certain integrated GPU capabilities)
  8. exterminator macrumors regular

    Jun 6, 2010
    I have just upgraded to Sierra. Aside from Siri (which I disabled as soon as it booted) I can really notice no difference whatsoever to El Capitan. I tried using that continuity thing, copying text from my iphone and trying to paste on my mac. Didn't work.

    Apologies for being so blunt. But, is there anything new at all?
  9. ZivaD macrumors regular


    Oct 11, 2012
    PIA VPN isn't wanting to play propperly, a java update for photoshop and a few old non functioning apps after install, VPN is the one I'm wanting to sort most.
  10. Mikey86uk macrumors 6502a


    Jul 3, 2010
    As I'm using a 5K iMac which obviously doesn't have a disk drive, I would of liked to have been able to use the eject key to activate Siri.

  11. WinterWolf90 macrumors 6502a

    Jan 18, 2014
    I hate how the new file storage system is labeled. Documents include movies under it. System is huge now, mine says 42GB which i am sure included stuff that are not system files. My audio files probably fall under system because my documents folder is the size of the old movies size before I updated.
  12. burgman macrumors 68000


    Sep 24, 2013
    Another obvious case of rose colored glasses.
    --- Post Merged, Sep 20, 2016 ---
    Nothing, go back to El Capitan :)
  13. ZivaD macrumors regular


    Oct 11, 2012
    Dark mode is a nice stop gap till CDock gets updated, Siri is nice, err it works like it did before, which was great.
  14. Rian Gray macrumors regular

    Rian Gray

    Jul 13, 2011
    NJ, United States
    I'd rather install Sierra on day 1 and complain any problems (if there is a problem) to the developers rather than just wait. I'm not in any position to say this, but if any app fails to support newest OS without sufficient notice, I'd rather move on from that app as well. In my case, that was Karabiner, not that I moved away from it though. If it doesn't work in Sierra within couple of months, I might start looking for alternatives.
  15. maxsix Suspended


    Jun 28, 2015
    Western Hemisphere
    Dot 2 has been my preferred timing. That's been a good safe way to go over the last several versions of OSX.
  16. 827538 macrumors 65816

    Jul 3, 2013
    I feel for you, one of the only reasons I can be happy with this great little laptop is due to having a monster gaming rig at home (6700k + GTX 1080). I really like this machine, its size and weight is fantastic, battery life is really good, screen is excellent and I like the keyboard. But while its happily managed every task I've put it through so far I know its limited but thats fine by me for what I use it for. Apple really need to hurry up with the MBP!
    --- Post Merged, Sep 20, 2016 ---
    Installed, literally El Cap but with Siri, I'm not complaining, it's a great OS. I'm happy if Apple just keep steady iterative updates coming to Mac and keep it really stable, fast, uptodate and secure.
  17. grahamperrin macrumors 601


    Jun 8, 2007
    Disk Utility

  18. SoYoung macrumors 6502a

    Jul 3, 2015
    This. I installed the update 1-2 hours ago just because I wanted to try Siri. Like you said, its basically just El Capitan with Siri. Very smooth and quick update and everything worked normally. I see no reason to wait if you are on El capitan and everything work fine.
  19. JamesMike macrumors demi-god


    Nov 3, 2014
    I installed and it went well, but you may notice your Mac running a bit hot, check photos and you will see it uploading photos causing a higher CPU usage. Temp should go down after the upload.
  20. BenTrovato macrumors 68030


    Jun 29, 2012
    Seamless and quick install on Mac mini which I'm glad for since I bricked the iPhone on the iOS 10 upgrade. It really doesn't feel any different. I would have liked a few visual cues that spruce up the environment.
  21. SoYoung macrumors 6502a

    Jul 3, 2015
    Siri is very disapointing. I'm using it in french and it does half the things she can do on iOS. Finding specific files on my Mac doesn't work at all, she just show random stuff. Only basic things like open apps or sports scores seems to work well for me.
  22. mashinhead macrumors 68030

    Oct 7, 2003
    I had such a bad experience update to iOS 10 like many, that I just don't trust it. Apple has gotten sloppy. Plus there really isn't anything special.
  23. SteveJobzniak thread starter macrumors 6502


    Dec 24, 2015
    Open "About this Mac" every day and gaze at the "macOS" name. That's the courageous difference. ;)
  24. Lodesman macrumors regular


    Feb 4, 2014
    Folkestone, Kent, UK
    After my experiences with the last two OS updates I am leaving this one until xx.2.0. I'll let others suffer the frustrations of early adoption.

    Of course I'll update eventually but El Cap is working just fine for me anyway.
  25. Irishman, Sep 21, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2016

    Irishman macrumors 68030

    Nov 2, 2006
    So, as of right now, when I click on the "updates" button in the App Store app, it thinks for a few seconds and then does nothing. Now, in the past 24 hours, I have successfully downloaded and installed updates for Safari an iBooks Author, so it's not like the App Store isn't working at all.

    I've restarted my Mac and tried again. Nothing.

    I've made sure my App Store settings are checked to allow automatic OS updates so that it could do it in the background.


    To add insult to injury, when I click on the Featured button, I can see Sierra there, and bring up the info page to download it. (I refrained from downloading it for now, because I don't want to do a clean install).

    Has this happened to anyone else?

    ETA: I have a late 2012 iMac.

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