Who's rocking an M1 still and how's it holding up for you?

[Technerd108]

I hope they keep Rosetta 2 as it is useful for current and older programs.

I understand that Apple wants developers and companies to update, but the reality is that some don't. Also, some (major companies) want everyone to move to subscriptions for newer updated apps.

But..understand that developers and companies are creating apps for profit (and that is ok of course and not everything should be free), but SOME of the apps that have moved to subscription are terrible and their older apps are better and work better (like Adobe Elements).

AND...companies are not updating their apps ON PURPOSE Adobe especially) in order for users to buy their "latest and greatest", but their "latest and greatest" is not so great. Adobe wants everyone on subscription and their stand-a-lone apps are created so with every OS going forward you have to update. Wasn't like that before, but noticed over the last few years.

Not all of course, but especially Adobe..and a few others (not small developers).

Rosetta 2 unless it is a pain for Apple to update each OS is a service to us Customers and hopefully they will continue.

I understand your reasoning but I don't think Apple shares your view.

Supporting and updating Rossetta is counter to pushing people to upgrade to a new Mac. Having cross compatibility only delays the pain. Apple likes to rip the bandage off quickly. On the flip side supporting Rosetta for as long as possible will give customer appreciation for the brand. I don't know what Apple values more?

I tend to think they force obsolescence as much as possible but sometimes Apple can be generous with software support.

I agree with you that they should support it as long as they are giving security updates for Intel Macs but they have to draw the line at some point. In my opinion coming g from the power PC to Intel transition is that Apple had been much better extending support this time around.

 

[MacRazySwe]

If and when I do upgrade, it will be for the 15" MBA. I do want the larger screen, but seeing how my M1 MBA is still going strong, part of me just wants to hold on to it for as long as I can and see how far the machine can go.

Yep, I feel exactly the same.

I can see the appeal of having a 15" MBA for personal use, since I mostly use it at home. Would go nicely with the 13" MBA I have for work.

 

[loby]

I understand your reasoning but I don't think Apple shares your view.

Supporting and updating Rossetta is counter to pushing people to upgrade to a new Mac. Having cross compatibility only delays the pain. Apple likes to rip the bandage off quickly. On the flip side supporting Rosetta for as long as possible will give customer appreciation for the brand. I don't know what Apple values more?

I tend to think they force obsolescence as much as possible but sometimes Apple can be generous with software support.

I agree with you that they should support it as long as they are giving security updates for Intel Macs but they have to draw the line at some point. In my opinion coming g from the power PC to Intel transition is that Apple had been much better extending support this time around.

I see the writing on the wall, so I am hoping that Rosetta is around for a little while longer or just until I learn Affinity Designer, pub and photo so I can detached myself from Adobe.

 

[Kal Madda]

I see the writing on the wall, so I am hoping that Rosetta is around for a little while longer or just until I learn Affinity Designer, pub and photo so I can detached myself from Adobe.

Affinity Photo, Designer, and Publisher are great! I think you’ll like those apps. 👍🏻

 

[StoneJack]

I am using Mac Mini M1 8/512 at our summer house (we have Macbooks Air M3, M2 and M4 in the household). Installed latest OS, everything works great.

 

[Ethosik]

Will M1 Studio Ultra be EOL for software updates at the same time my M1 Mini 16/512 is?

I don't think anyone really knows. I would doubt it though. M1 Ultra, M2 Ultra and M3 Ultra. That is all we have in the Ultra line as of now. And the M1 Ultra came out late compared to the M1 mini. Maybe it would have one more OS release after. But who knows, I could be wrong.

 

[leifp]

Will M1 Studio Ultra be EOL for software updates at the same time my M1 Mini 16/512 is?

If the update requirements are due to RAM, CPU/GPU power, or Neural Engine capability it should go further. If it’s a more arbitrary “no more M1 support” then, obviously, no. Unfortunately I can see the case for either approach, so as @Ethosik mentions, we don’t know. As I have the M1 Max chip, I am also waiting to see…

 

[loby]

If the update requirements are due to RAM, CPU/GPU power, or Neural Engine capability it should go further. If it’s a more arbitrary “no more M1 support” then, obviously, no. Unfortunately I can see the case for either approach, so as @Ethosik mentions, we don’t know. As I have the M1 Max chip, I am also waiting to see…

What makes me curious is why is the M1 is having issues with the OS? There is not much of a difference with the M2 (please correct me if I am wrong) that would make the M1 weak compared to M2, but usually the slow downs are hardware related or the Mac cannot handle the new bloating or features. The M1 should be able to handle the OS without any problems...?

I don't really want to think that Apple is doing their planned obsolescence, but it looks like they may.

I went back to Sequoia and camping on it with my M1 Max. My M3 MacBook Air which costs $2,000+ less than my M1 16" Max has no issues with macOS Tahoe. Humm...

 

[StrollerEd]

Open question to all: What OS are you running on your M1 (MBP) and why?

 

[MBAir2010]

Open question to all: What OS are you running on your M1 (MBP) and why?

Tahoe obviously since all the hype this summer claiming the OS was superior.
there are several flaws but overall the best for my M1s (MacBook Air-mini)
personally I would love Monterey 2023 since the last update had several bad features
a few were
the brightness needed to be adjusted by closing the lid after start up.
text edit crashes when opening a recent file
I can't remember the other ten or so.
Ventura and Somona were just not functional for someone like me who needed to drag files in 2 windows.
as Seq. was just solid but did not like my 3rd party programs and Klispch™ speakers.

most of the time I use an older MacBook Air 2010 Snow Leopard
for posting here, file saving, art work as I am now since that works faster and better!

there ya have the answer no one was looking for!

 

[StrollerEd]

Tahoe obviously since all the hype this summer claiming the OS was superior.
there are several flaws but overall the best for my M1s (MacBook Air-mini)
personally I would love Monterey 2023 since the last update had several bad features
a few were
the brightness needed to be adjusted by closing the lid after start up.
text edit crashes when opening a recent file
I can't remember the other ten or so.
Ventura and Somona were just not functional for someone like me who needed to drag files in 2 windows.
as Seq. was just solid but did not like my 3rd party programs and Klispch™ speakers.

most of the time I use an older MacBook Air 2010 Snow Leopard
for posting here, file saving, art work as I am now since that works faster and better!

there ya have the answer no one was looking for!

Ha! As you say, your answer did not address the specifics of the question asked, but was entertaining and informative

I have a 3rd party program from a company which has ceased trading, so I'm not confident that it will run on OS later than the present Ventura.

One plan, were I persuaded by the exiting new features of Ventura, Somona or even Tahoe might be to upgrade this 16" [homebased] M1 MBP & reclaim the mid-2015 MBP from daughter to run that 3rd party program.

I use my M1 MacBook Air when out and about, upgraded to Somona and will probably upgrade further when I next turn to use that.

OK, maybe that was too much information and also does not address the initial query I had, and posted elsewhere, which could be re-phrased as,

when and why do a clean install on an M1 machine?

 

[StrollerEd]

Ha! As you say, your answer did not address the specifics of the question asked, but was entertaining and informative

I have a 3rd party program from a company which has ceased trading, so I'm not confident that it will run on OS later than the present Ventura.

One plan, were I persuaded by the exiting new features of Ventura, Somona or even Tahoe might be to upgrade this 16" [homebased] M1 MBP & reclaim the mid-2015 MBP from daughter to run that 3rd party program.

I use my M1 MacBook Air when out and about, upgraded to Somona and will probably upgrade further when I next turn to use that.

OK, maybe that was too much information and also does not address the initial query I had, and posted elsewhere, which could be re-phrased as,

when and why do a clean install on an M1 machine?

I see you have found that other post

 

[Kal Madda]

Open question to all: What OS are you running on your M1 (MBP) and why?

I don’t have a MacBook Pro, I have an M1 Mac Mini, and it’s currently running the latest developer beta for macOS Tahoe. I like many of the changes with Tahoe, but I am not a big fan of the Apps Spotlight page replacing Launchpad. Launchpad just made so much sense and was so intuitive. This apps monstrosity has a search bar that is a header rather than a search bar, and gives you no options to customize the app arrangement at all, only switch between an alphabetized list view, or an alphabetized grid view. No app folders, and now you can’t see notification badges for these apps either unless they’re in the App Dock, which is so frustrating. I really don’t like that change, and have resorted to a third party app called AppGrid to try to get some semblance of my Launchpad back. Other than though, I think it’s otherwise a good update. I use my Mac more as a secondary device, and don’t really use it for any of my productivity workflow other than acting as a sort of NAS (my iPad does all my primary workflow) so YMMV, but I plan on sticking with my M1 8GB Mac Mini for the foreseeable future. 👍🏻

 

[leifp]

What makes me curious is why is the M1 is having issues with the OS? There is not much of a difference with the M2 (please correct me if I am wrong) that would make the M1 weak compared to M2, but usually the slow downs are hardware related or the Mac cannot handle the new bloating or features. The M1 should be able to handle the OS without any problems...?

I don't really want to think that Apple is doing their planned obsolescence, but it looks like they may.

I went back to Sequoia and camping on it with my M1 Max. My M3 MacBook Air which costs $2,000+ less than my M1 16" Max has no issues with macOS Tahoe. Humm...

I have not tried macOS 26 as yet. I rarely update to the newest OS before the .1 is released and with major UI/UX changes I tend to wait almost until the end of the OS year before using it. Occasionally I skip that OS entirely. Helps this discussion not at all, sorry!

Edit: compared to the M2 there are indeed few changes. However, Metal (CPU and GPU) scores improved around 30% which is substantial. Neural engine went from 11 to 15.8 TOPS which isn’t nothing but not an area where my knowledge extends. Entry level RAM amounts were unchanged, so if RAM becomes the separator, we’re going to have many confused users…

 

[joeblough]

I've been thinking the same thing. But also, If Tahoe was the last update my M1 MBP got, I'd be ok with it? And that would mean keeping Rosetta2, too. I wonder if they'll still keep it around for when they dump Intel all together in macOS 27?

i guess in the long term i worry about security issues not being patched, but i feel like switching away from safari and to a browser that's still supported probably goes a long way to solving that problem. Tahoe should at least get updates for 2 years i think, so we're good till 2027.

something is different this time with rosetta2, IIRC they got rid of rosetta a lot sooner. but i feel like once intel goes away that does give them an excuse to get rid of rosetta2.

 

[SnoFlo]

Running an M1 Mac mini base model as a backup to my main computer (Fedora-based). I upgraded to Tahoe recently and all is well. Truly great computer.

 

[zonai]

What makes me curious is why is the M1 is having issues with the OS? There is not much of a difference with the M2 (please correct me if I am wrong) that would make the M1 weak compared to M2, but usually the slow downs are hardware related or the Mac cannot handle the new bloating or features. The M1 should be able to handle the OS without any problems...?

I don't really want to think that Apple is doing their planned obsolescence, but it looks like they may.

I went back to Sequoia and camping on it with my M1 Max. My M3 MacBook Air which costs $2,000+ less than my M1 16" Max has no issues with macOS Tahoe. Humm...

I mean, no device is supported forever. This year Apple dropped support for 2019 iMacs for macOS Tahoe, even though they continued selling the 2019 iMac until 2021, so it is less than 4 years for some buyers. Not a uniquely Apple phenomenon, look how many Windows 10 machines had support dropped for Windows 11.

 

[RadishTM]

Rocking an M1 MBA (8C GPU) with 16GB/1TB on Sequoia, works beautifully.

 

[Mac_Professor]

I have a M1 MacBook Air which I use in my dining room nook. I also have a MacBook M4 Max which is super fast and a Mac mini Pro M2. But I use the Air for 95% of my work as it does everything and is still very crisp. I can run Windows VM and lite video editing. At one point I was going to return the M4 as it cost me close to $4000 but gets used very little as the Mac mini Pro M2 is still crisp and can easily handle the 3 monitors connected to it. So I keep the M4 packed in box (leave at 50% charge so as not to ruin the battery)

 

[vel0city]

Macbook Pro M1 Max / 64GB / Ventura 13.6.9 here. Daily work use for Adobe CC (mostly Photoshop/After Effects/Illustrator) C4D/Redshift, ZBrush, various smaller apps/utilities. Connected to 2 external displays, used with external keyboard and Wacom Intuos. Had it since day one and the performance is still incredible. Never had a single crash or forced reboot. Ridiculously rock solid stable and fast. My only regret is not maxing out the storage and having to mess around with external SSDs. Apart from that, still a dream machine.

 

[loby]

Macbook Pro M1 Max / 64GB / Ventura 13.6.9 here. Daily work use for Adobe CC (mostly Photoshop/After Effects/Illustrator) C4D/Redshift, ZBrush, various smaller apps/utilities. Connected to 2 external displays, used with external keyboard and Wacom Intuos. Had it since day one and the performance is still incredible. Never had a single crash or forced reboot. Ridiculously rock solid stable and fast. My only regret is not maxing out the storage and having to mess around with external SSDs. Apart from that, still a dream machine.

Do you think macOS Ventura is the best OS for M1 MacBook Pro? A few of my colleges won’t got further than that.

 

[EugW]

Do you think macOS Ventura is the best OS for M1 MacBook Pro? A few of my colleges won’t got further than that.

If you must use Ventura that's fine, but I personally prefer later versions of macOS for the various feature upgrades like for example Dashboard desktop widgets, or the Photos Cleanup tool.

Add and customize widgets on Mac

On your Mac, add and customize widgets in Notification Center or on the desktop.

support.apple.com

Remove distractions and imperfections from your photos on Mac

In Photos on your Mac, remove distracting objects or imperfections from your photos using the Clean Up tool or the Retouch tool.

support.apple.com

 

[loby]

If you must use Ventura that's fine, but I personally prefer later versions of macOS for the various feature upgrades like for example Dashboard desktop widgets, or the Photos Cleanup tool.

Add and customize widgets on Mac

On your Mac, add and customize widgets in Notification Center or on the desktop.

support.apple.com

Remove distractions and imperfections from your photos on Mac

In Photos on your Mac, remove distracting objects or imperfections from your photos using the Clean Up tool or the Retouch tool.

support.apple.com

For features “Yes”, but for productivity like video editing like with Final Cutand others, some colleges won’t go any higher. I personally like macOS Sequoia as I don’t see reduction of performance.

 

[EugW]

For features “Yes”, but for productivity like video editing like with Final Cutand others, some colleges won’t go any higher. I personally like macOS Sequoia as I don’t see reduction of performance.

I wonder if they might consider moving up now that Ventura will no longer be getting security updates. Mind you, if they're on older Intel machines like 2017 iMacs, they can't go past Ventura anyway.

 

[loby]

I wonder if they might consider moving up now that Ventura will no longer be getting security updates. Mind you, if they're on older Intel machines like 2017 iMacs, they can't go past Ventura anyway.

The average user just believes “update” or “buy” a new computer solves the problem, but professional users have other gear, software, plugins etc. that have to all work together and when you “finally” get everything working without issues, you just want to camp where you are to get work done.

In the creative field, you don’t want hindrances in creativity and having to mess around with software and hardware issues all the time, including dealing with bugs or glitches, especially with the next “new-and-greatest” promoted thing. It is too distracting and/or slow things down. So “yes” new stuff is “cool”, but we have to weigh the costs of the new.

Some say, “Then don’t upgrade”, but sometimes you have too for various reasons of compatibility.

I for one usually like the “new-and-greatest” as I was groomed through the years that updates “always” generally make things better…but..lately…instead of updates or new to make “better”, changes occur JUST to change or do a new thing because new people just want to make their mark…and now the thinking is different.

I am kind of tired of waiting for version .6 of the “new” OS to get things working and THEN start over with the “New” again and have to wait for six version over the year to work things out and THEN start over again the next year JUST for the sake of “New”.

Intel Mac Professional users can have difficulties upgrading because their gear, plugins etc. are not comparable. So..they have to use until they can upgrade. They are not “hold outs” just because…there are sometimes good reasons.