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Came here to add that I'm not a fan of Jordan's writing style at all... I've given it a couple weeks, but still don't see much improvement. I'm so used to reading Arn's articles, and even Eric's are fine, but lately I just skip over Jordan's, because his writing style is meh.
 
I very much agree with what's been said above. There's no doubt that the quality of the articles has declined. (It also really annoys me that the new MR style puts quotes in just one big speech mark - there's no closing speech mark!!)

I'd really like to know how the article writers are chosen and how many of them there are. Do they somehow work on shifts? Is there an Editor who checks the articles before they are published?
 
Came here to add that I'm not a fan of Jordan's writing style at all... I've given it a couple weeks, but still don't see much improvement. I'm so used to reading Arn's articles, and even Eric's are fine, but lately I just skip over Jordan's, because his writing style is meh.

I think he's been adjusting nicely.

He's presently responsible for 6/12 stories on the front page. Do all of those particularly bother you?

arn
 
I enjoy Jordan's articles, and I feel some of you love moaning. I also don't care if you agree or disagree with me. So hold your keyboard, wouldn't bother wasting your time ranting at me with my comment.
 
Goodbye Macrumors

Well, after the serious decline in quality of articles lately, most notably the two articles in the past two days based on otherwise groundless emails that have been forwarded on to MacRumors (black MacBook Air, the "clean install" Steve Jobs email), not to mention the AppleCare post that is somehow designated "news" (heads up MR, people who bought an iPhone 4 a week after launch may be running out of time to buy AppleCare, better make a new post next week!), I'm officially done with this site.

I've really enjoyed it in the past, and had a good time chatting with people on the forums for various topics, but I feel that the management is now more concerned with page clicks and number of articles posted a day than they are about the quality of those articles. I used to love this site because it filtered out the quality rumors from the groundless ones (or at least segregated the groundless ones). But now that everything gets front page treatment, it's just not worth trying to do the filtering myself. I'll let the big tech blogs do that for me.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, MacRumors has become another TUAW (The Unofficial Apple Weblog). And it will be joining that site in being deleted from my bookmarks and RSS feed. Which is honestly a shame because there was a time when I thought this was the best Apple site out there.

I'm sure some people will gripe about this post and say "well if you don't like it, shut up and don't read it." I will do that from now on. But this place clearly has a "Site and Forum Feedback" forum for a reason, and I wanted to provide my feedback as to how MR can avoid driving off readers like me in the future.

So goodbye, all. I'm sure I won't be missed :p, but I'm sure there are others like me who are feeling the same way.
 
Well, after the serious decline in quality of articles lately, most notably the two articles in the past two days based on otherwise groundless emails that have been forwarded on to MacRumors (black MacBook Air, the "clean install" Steve Jobs email), not to mention the AppleCare post that is somehow designated "news" (heads up MR, people who bought an iPhone 4 a week after launch may be running out of time to buy AppleCare, better make a new post next week!), I'm officially done with this site.
I'm sorry that you feel this way. We aim to appeal to a wide variety of readers and have gotten excellent feedback from people who went out and purchased AppleCare after our post about it yesterday. If you don't like it, you are free to skip over it. It may not be BREAKING NEWS but it is something that folks who picked up an iPhone 4 last year might want to know. It's certainly more immediately useful than Apple TV-set rumors or something like that.

Regarding the "clean install" email and the black MBA, those are "rumors". We do our best to separate the wheat from the chaff, but that's what this site is about. We take scraps of information and try to put them together into something coherent. We had gotten several emails from people about the black MacBook Air and rather than ignoring them, we offered them (with a huge caveat) to the readers so they can make their own decision.

I followed that post up later in the day with some feedback from within Apple that I feel is very credible -- namely, that Apple tried and failed to make a MacBook Air, so the rumors were half true.

I've really enjoyed it in the past, and had a good time chatting with people on the forums for various topics, but I feel that the management is now more concerned with page clicks and number of articles posted a day than they are about the quality of those articles. I used to love this site because it filtered out the quality rumors from the groundless ones (or at least segregated the groundless ones). But now that everything gets front page treatment, it's just not worth trying to do the filtering myself. I'll let the big tech blogs do that for me.
The black MacBook Air post WAS segregated -- it was on the Mac blog. This isn't AOL. We don't have a big bureaucracy telling us what to write to please the advertisers. Sure, clicks drive advertising dollars and we all need to pay the mortgage, but that's not why we're doing this. Arn has been running MacRumors as a labor of love for 10 years. Eric has been around for a long time too. I'm the third full-time writer. That's it.

We don't do pay-per-post. Anyone who accuses us of that or claims "this post must be advertising" is barking up the wrong tree.

Individuals can differ about where posts should go, or even if they should be written -- we argue plenty about things behind the scenes. But, at the end of the day, we are trying damn hard to put out the best site we can.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, MacRumors has become another TUAW (The Unofficial Apple Weblog). And it will be joining that site in being deleted from my bookmarks and RSS feed. Which is honestly a shame because there was a time when I thought this was the best Apple site out there.
Sorry you feel that way. Good luck!

But this place clearly has a "Site and Forum Feedback" forum for a reason, and I wanted to provide my feedback as to how MR can avoid driving off readers like me in the future.
We always appreciate thoughtful and direct feedback.
 
So what is the purpose of the front page now? Is it news stories and rumors about Apple or blog posts and reviews like Engadget?
 
So what is the purpose of the front page now? Is it news stories and rumors about Apple or blog posts and reviews like Engadget?

The purpose is the same as it's always been.

We don't do reviews. the distinction between blog posts and news stories and rumors is unclear to me. A blog post can be a news story. A rumor can be reported in a blog post. You'll have to be more specific.

arn
 
You'll have to be more specific.

arn

The readers here have grown accustomed to a no-nonsense, non-opinion laced, journalistic style of writing here at MR. The front page stories lately seem to have more a point of view and less a repoerteresque tone. For some of us, it's like tuning in to the Nightly News and seeing Jon Stewart instead of Brian Williams. I think jlgolson's style is great when I'm looking for that type of article, but it's not what I tuned in to see.

Perhaps a dedicated space for this new style on MR would find a better reception than the front page? I do not mean this as a crticism of his work, I greatly respect what it takes to put your thoughts on paper for literally the world to see. I am merely one who has noticed a change in the site recently and am trying to point out what I and others seem to be suggesting.
 
The readers here have grown accustomed to a no-nonsense, non-opinion laced, journalistic style of writing here at MR. The front page stories lately seem to have more a point of view and less a repoerteresque tone.

Please list specific front page stories from the past week that fulfill this criteria.

arn
 
Please list specific front page stories from the past week that fulfill this criteria.

arn

Steve's Succesor

There may be another, less Steve-related explanation. Last week, there was some extraordinary downward movement on Thursday, on a day without significant bad news.

Spotify US Launch

Spotify has a decent war-chest, plus proven success and buzz from its European operations. If it can ink a deal with Warner, it might actually, finally, launch on this side of the pond.

Quicken 2007

It's a massive project and may never work, but they are working on it. We should know more by the end of the summer.


Look, I'm only singling out these pieces because you asked. I'm not trying to pile on, just offering some insight to the differences we've seen here lately. This isn't the same style we've been accustomed to and I don't think I'm the only one to notice. Think we're a tough crowd?!?!:p
 
Look, I'm only singling out these pieces because you asked. I'm not trying to pile on, just offering some insight to the differences we've seen here lately. This isn't the same style we've been accustomed to and I don't think I'm the only one to notice. Think we're a tough crowd?!?!:p

No, I appreciate the specific examples, as it's far more useful to me.

I do see the style difference, though I don't think these are necessarily opinion-laden, so much as the use of more colorful language than we typically use in paraphrasing the original articles.

That's something we can work on.

arn
 
Please list specific front page stories from the past week that fulfill this criteria.

arn

I have to agree that the latest articles from Jordan have been, in my opinion, much better.

Still, there is that touch of trying to get more personal with the reader. More friendly. I'm not saying it is bad, I might even get used to it and end up liking it, but it is definitely a different style from what you and Eric had us used to.

You normally give very factual articles, more straight forward news. Before I started this thread, I didn't even knew who wrote the front page articles before, I only had a suspicion that Doctor Q had something to do with them, in which I was apparently wrong:eek:.

Before I wouldn't have been able to identify among your articles and those from Eric, and that still remains true, but I can easily identify Jordan articles now. Again, it is not bad, its just that after being in this forums for more than 5 years, I was very used to your style.

Nonetheless, I support Jordan and he has my support and best wishes.:)
 
As someone who has been around for quite awhile, I, too, found the "Last Chance for Applecare for iPhone 4" article ridiculous. Some may have found it helpful, but it isn't the sort of thing I come here for (nor expect on the front page) at all. Should this be expected from here on out? Just for the iPhones, or for other products approaching one year, too?
 
The writing itself is not bad (but sometimes repetitive) just unexpected from what the genre of articles we typically found at MacRumors for the past few years...I liked the more neutral tone from the past but still giving this tone a chance to acclimate.
 
As someone who has been around for quite awhile, I, too, found the "Last Chance for Applecare for iPhone 4" article ridiculous. Some may have found it helpful, but it isn't the sort of thing I come here for (nor expect on the front page) at all. Should this be expected from here on out? Just for the iPhones, or for other products approaching one year, too?

I agree. I think since Jordan started, there have been more articles which I have zero interest towards. The AC for iP4 had absolutely no use IMO. Okay, it might inform someone but shall we start posting articles about that everyday? Hey, you missed iPad 1 :eek:

As a writer myself, I know it's not easy and the other recent articles from Jordan have been a lot better IMO. His style is different from Arn's and Eric's, that is for sure. I write very factual articles, I don't use much metaphors or fancy adjectives (mainly because I know very few :p). Some of there others have much more colorful articles which may make them more of a blog posts (though they never are since we concentrate on being thorough and professional).

It takes time to get adjusted. There has been a lot of positive progression so lets hope the same way continues.
 
My take is the articles are too adjective laden. News stories, not a Groupon ad.
 
With more editors there are naturally going to be more stories. The editors will still be selective but now they're less likely to skip stories simply because they don't have time to research them and write them up when other stories get the edge.

I doubt anyone was interested in every story in the past, and that will continue, so we'll all read the stories that interest us. Watching the RSS feed is one way to know when there's an article of interest.
 
Seems quality lost out to quantity somewhere along the way. I'd say it's arcing rather than plummeting to the ranks of blogland... But if that's where the money is, well...
 
I don't agree with Doc Q that there will be more stories just because there are more editors. I'd say we need more editors because there are more Apple stories.

There will certainly be more blog stories that we might not have written about, but that's considered a new section, and you are welcome to ignore it. The front page is about the same as it has been or at least has been evolving as Apple has become more mainstream.

arn
 
apple is becoming more mainstream but many of the fp articles are of interest to only developers or iad companies.
 
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