Why Apple Haters are taking over MR

[Weaselboy]

Are you of the opinion that such a system not better than what we have now?

arn

Yes I am for the reasons I mentioned. Using the vote buttons to in effect moderate is allowing the same people who are causing the problem to pick the winners and losers in the forums. It needs to be an unbiased third party (mod) who makes these decisions.

I agree there has been somewhat of a decrease in civility in the forums, but I don't think vote buttons is the answer.

Some of this I think is cyclical and related to Apple product intros. There looked like a lot of new users who came along with the 4S release for example.

 

[Hellhammer]

This forum was much different 4 years ago when I first started coming here and I'd love to see it go back to what it was.

That would mean life without iPhones and iPads. I don't think going back is an option because IMO moderation is not behind this. If someone wants to troll, one will always be able to do that. It's simply impossible for us to catch the post before anyone else does.

Luckily the rest of the forum is still pretty clean, so staying away from iPhone/iOS helps a lot.

I have submitted indisputable evidence of some compulsive liars, the last user I noted is still around.

Remember that what you see as trolling isn't necessarily trolling in our eyes. I've handled dozens of post reports where the post was reported as trolling, even though the poster was just expressing his opinion. It's not trolling to have different views on subjects. Besides, not all trolls are anti-Apple, there are some pretty bad pro-Apple posters as well.

 

[Consultant]

Remember that what you see as trolling isn't necessarily trolling in our eyes. I've handled dozens of post reports where the post was reported as trolling, even though the poster was just expressing his opinion. It's not trolling to have different views on subjects. Besides, not all trolls are anti-Apple, there are some pretty bad pro-Apple posters as well.

Example user:

In one post says I have no problem with my iPhone. Six hours later claimed 3 replacements, and "battery life is crap, phone dies". Then calls apple users "stupid idiots".

So do you think this user has gone through 3 replacement phones and changed his opinion in six hours? This same user repeats the same strategy for different devices.

Are you of the opinion that such a system not better than what we have now?

arn

Voting works in some cases, here's a case that it's not working:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1295044/

 

[saving107]

In one post says I have no problem with my iPhone. Six hours later claimed 3 replacements, and "battery life is crap, phone dies". Then calls apple users "stupid idiots".

So do you think this user has gone through 3 replacement phones and changed his opinion in six hours? This same user repeats the same strategy for different devices.

But you can't Ban or put in Time-Out a compulsive liar, thats not the same as trolling.

Trolling

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Liar

A person who tells lies.

— n
a person who has lied or lies repeatedly

 

[roadbloc]

Example user:

In one post says I have no problem with my iPhone. Six hours later claimed 3 replacements, and "battery life is crap, phone dies". Then calls apple users "stupid idiots".

So do you think this user has gone through 3 replacement phones and changed his opinion in six hours? This same user repeats the same strategy for different devices.

MacRumors is a well moderated forum. I visit a lot smaller sites with worse moderation. If you don't like someone because they are a "compulsive liar" or whatever, put them on your ignore list. Not everyone has to agree with your way of thinking.

 

[GGJstudios]

MacRumors is a well moderated forum. I visit a lot smaller sites with worse moderation. If you don't like someone because they are a "compulsive liar" or whatever, put them on your ignore list. Not everyone has to agree with your way of thinking.

I wholeheartedly agree. The moderation team here is superb. If you find a post you think is in violation, report it. Then leave it up to the moderators to decide if they agree with your assessment. Sometimes they do; sometimes they don't. If a poster constantly annoys you, but isn't violating rules, ignore them.

 

[William.Mantle]

Example user:

In one post says I have no problem with my iPhone. Six hours later claimed 3 replacements, and "battery life is crap, phone dies". Then calls apple users "stupid idiots".

So do you think this user has gone through 3 replacement phones and changed his opinion in six hours? This same user repeats the same strategy for different devices.



Voting works in some cases, here's a case that it's not working:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1295044/

It seems like you're just annoyed that people didnt like your comment and voted so. Everybody is allowed an opinion

 

[BlizzardBolt]

I think if you're that phased by the word 'fanboy', you shouldn't be on the internet in the first place. Its hardly offensive.

People have different opinions. Not everyone on this site has to love Apple. Despite being a user of their products, I am certainly not loving Apple at times. If someone prefers Android over iOS, it doesn't mean they are automatically a troll.

Could not have said it better than this.


@OP
Internet should not be taken seriously, just ignore troll threads and move on.

 

[JoeG4]

What about someone that uses everything? I use all sorts of products and rarely have issues with any of them - whether it be made by Apple or not.

I like my Apple gear and intend to buy plenty more in the future, but is it considered trolling with the patent/lawsuit topics to produce counterarguments? When I speak of these my intention is to discuss it as a nerd with other nerds, not for or against apple.

 

[-aggie-]

I have submitted indisputable evidence of some compulsive liars, the last user I noted is still around.

I, for one, agree with you. Those of us who actively use these forums KNOW who the trolls are. MR, for some reason, chooses to let them stay around.

 

[ChazUK]

Not sure which thread you are referencing/quoting but this is what I feel about it.

In one post says I have no problem with my iPhone.

This IMO is fine (it's an opinion or reflects a genuine experience).

Six hours later claimed 3 replacements, and "battery life is crap, phone dies".

Once again, this could be someone's genuine experience.

Then calls apple users "stupid idiots".

This is when (IMO) that poster has crossed the line and is out to insult a subset of people/users collectively. At that point I may go for the

button to express my concerns.

I do get sick of reading terms like "iTards", "WinTards", "Macfags" "Fandroids" (Something that you don't mind doing yourself) as they seem little more than petty ways to dig at others.

Voting works in some cases, here's a case that it's not working:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1295044/

It seems that the majority do not agree with your view in that situation. Not much else to say about that really.

 

[Hellhammer]

Example user:

In one post says I have no problem with my iPhone. Six hours later claimed 3 replacements, and "battery life is crap, phone dies". Then calls apple users "stupid idiots".

So do you think this user has gone through 3 replacement phones and changed his opinion in six hours? This same user repeats the same strategy for different devices.

It's not our job to determine is someone telling the truth. Besides, how could we do that? We can't require our members to send proofs to support every single post they make.

If someone says he owns an MBP, how do we know that is really the case? In the end, forums are built upon trust. Every user can make their own conclusions whether someone is telling the truth.

Voting works in some cases, here's a case that it's not working:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1295044/

You can vote up or down, that's how it works. I see nothing nonfunctional in the thread you linked. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that it's not working.

This is when (IMO) that poster has crossed the line and is out to insult a subset of people/users collectively. At that point I may go for the Image button to express my concerns.

That would definitely be a violation of the rules.

I do get sick of reading terms like "iTards", "WinTards", "Macfags" "Fandroids" (Something that you don't mind doing yourself) as they seem little more than petty ways to dig at others.

I would say all those are violations as well. We don't allow the words "troll" or "fanboy" either, and the cases you linked are no different. The word "retard" (and any modification of it) is particularly bad because there really are people with disabilities and it's certainly not fun if you know someone who is "retarded". Hence I would advice not to use that word at all, not even in general cases (e.g. Microsoft is so retarded - which isn't a violation of the rules but definitely something we don't want to see). It's basically the same as with the word "gay".

 

[GGJstudios]

I do get sick of reading terms like "iTards", "WinTards", "Macfags" "Fandroids" (Something that you don't mind doing yourself) as they seem little more than petty ways to dig at others.

Did you bother to report these posts? If not, you have no reason to complain about them. Moderators can't see every post, so they rely on members to report them. In a couple of those examples, there is a clear violation, as the poster was insulting a forum member, which I reported. In all the latter ones, the derogatory term was used to refer to an unspecified group of people, not any forum members. I've seen such statements remain, even after reporting them, my guess being because they don't specifically violate forum rules.

 

[ChazUK]

Did you bother to report these posts? If not, you have no reason to complain about them.

And just like the moderators, I can't see every post but what I can do is use the search function to find common insults slung about the boards. Those were simply results of those above search terms. Even though I may not have seen them when first posted does not mean I am not entitled to complain about that type of sweeping insult.

I do report posts that I feel overstep the mark or blatantly disregard the rules (spam, insults, inappropriate comments e.t.c). Sometimes they are acted upon, sometimes not.

I find the moderation and administration here to be superb overall making it a good community for discussion.

 

[yg17]

Voting works in some cases, here's a case that it's not working:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1295044/

I think that's one of the rare instances of the system working. You and a few others make a ridiculous post claiming that Microsoft is copying Apple by not doing a keynote at CES, and get downrated because it truly was an asinine comment.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

As a response to the thread title, I have to disagree; there are a few specific forums that have appeared and grown massively in a short space of time - the iPhone forum being perhaps the best example - and these are the places that seem to have the worst behavior. These also happen to be the forums that have the broadest, net-wide appeal. So it stands to reason that the behavior there better represents the internet as a whole.

And the internet, as we know, is full of bad behavior. The core membership of this site is very well-behaved. In the long term, troublemakers seem end up getting bored and leaving, or eventually cross the line and are banned.

 

[JoeG4]

you and a few others make a ridiculous post claiming that microsoft is copying apple by not doing a keynote at ces, and get downrated because it truly was an asinine comment.

lol.

My favorite MS "prank" is their way of antagonizing Apple by opening MS stores across the street from Apple stores.

 

[saving107]

lol.

My favorite MS "prank" is their way of antagonizing Apple by opening MS stores across the street from Apple stores.

Seeing as how you are from the bay area, have you visited the MS store in Valley Faire?

 

[Consultant]

At least in 2006 people were pro Apple!

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14047620#post14047620

wikus: "Is this your first day on Macrumors? The forum is actually overrun by Apple fanboys, and its been so for years. My favourite example [images from 2006]"

 

[JoeG4]

People here still are pro-Apple. Do I have to see thread after thread about how Google should cease to exist because when you open the app drawer on a black Android phone with rounded edges it sorta looks like an iPhone? I'm still very Apple friendly, but I'm not very happy about seeing stuff like that all the time lol.

I know people are going to disagree about stuff but why so much fighting?

 

[yg17]

At least in 2006 people were pro Apple!

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=14047620#post14047620

wikus: "Is this your first day on Macrumors? The forum is actually overrun by Apple fanboys, and its been so for years. My favourite example [images from 2006]"

Being pro-Apple doesn't mean not calling out Apple when they file ridiculous lawsuit after ridiculous lawsuit. Being pro-Apple doesn't mean not seeing the good qualities of competing products and companies. And being pro-Apple does not mean a refusal to see imperfections in the company and their products.

Stop treating Apple like a religion. It's just a company.

 

[Phil A.]

The reason can be summed up in one word: Android

I think the people reading this thread are smart enough, and perceptive enough, to understand the unique combination of technical, commercial, and societal factors that have brought this situation about.

When (to cite but one example) a major Android maker basically endorses and encourages this sort of obnoxiousness, its not hard to see where the problem comes from.

What, if anything, can be done about it is another matter entirely.

With respect, I couldn't disagree more - the problem IMO is far more complex than that and there are as many problems caused by rabid supporters of Apple as there are problems caused by obvious trolls

I've been a member here a few years and have several Macs and an iPad. I also have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and an Asus Transformer. I am happy to support Apple when they are right, and criticise them when I don't think they are.

However, if I made a post criticising something Apple had done from my SGS2 (which would post that fact at the top of the post if I used the mobile site), I can pretty much guarantee that I'd be immediately down-voted and probably called a fandroid within minutes. That sort of behaviour is at least as damaging as deliberate trolling IMO...

 

[JoeG4]

That and most of the complainers are rather new...

 

[something3153]

A person who posts about how much Motorcycles suck might be seen as a troll in a Motorcycle forum, whereas it would be hard for a someone who loves Motorcycles to be seen as a troll in the same forum

So arn, does this site require posters to be pro-Apple? The byline says "news and rumors you care about". I care about computer news as a whole, so this applies to me. Nonetheless, I am not pro-Apple, and will criticize them when I believe it's appropriate. Are people who disagree with Apple's actions, or believe that their products are not always the best, welcome here? If so, I'm putting your response in my signature, since a lot of people believe I shouldn't be. If not, please do make the byline "news and rumors for Apple fans", or something accurate like that.

 

[GGJstudios]

So arn, does this site require posters to be pro-Apple?

Arn's not talking about site requirements. He's talking about the likelihood of someone finding common ground with forum members. If you're pro-Windows, you're more likely to find those who share your views in a Windows forum, and you're more likely to find those with opposing views in a pro-Mac forum. The reverse is also true. It's just common sense.