Why Apple won't be scared

[hi res]

Mod close these kinds of meaningless threads

not necessarily meaningless, but certainly worthy of being locked...mkTank just wants everyone to agree with him, and for us to help convince him that he doesn't regret his purchase. Until then, clearly Samsung has Apple by the short and curlies

 

[mKTank]

not necessarily meaningless, but certainly worthy of being locked...mkTank just wants everyone to agree with him, and for us to help convince him that he doesn't regret his purchase. Until then, clearly Samsung has Apple by the short and curlies

Trying to be Holmes? I don't have a Galaxy Tab, nor any Android device in general. I have an iPad, actually.

 

[SteveKnobs]

Except it's actually illegal for Samsung to lie about the numbers. They could get sued for it. Samsung know the numbers, whereas the analysts hypothesize.

No one said they were reporting inaccurate numbers- but there's a difference between reporting the number of returns to the manufacture (2%) and numbers returned to retailers (~16%).

If they say our return rate was 2%, technically it's not wrong. But it isn't the whole truth.

 

[mKTank]

No one said they were reporting inaccurate numbers- but there's a difference between reporting the number of returns to the manufacture (2%) and numbers returned to retailers (~16%).

If they say our return rate was 2%, technically it's not wrong. But it isn't the whole truth.

First of all, that 16% figure is just pure hypothesizing, so stop quoting it.

Second of all, returns to retail would go back to Samsung. There's no such thing as open box Galaxy Tab and if there was, it's not approved by Samsung.

 

[SteveKnobs]

First of all, that 16% figure is just pure hypothesizing, so stop quoting it.

Naturally, analysts have no evidence or justification for the "guesses" they make. "Hey, 16% sounds about right. Let's report that." Dude, 16% is damn close to the actual number. So I think I will quote it.

Second of all, returns to retail would go back to Samsung. There's no such thing as open box Galaxy Tab and if there was, it's not approved by Samsung.

Are you sure?

 

[mKTank]

Naturally, analysts have no evidence or justification for the "guesses" they make. "Hey, 16% sounds about right. Let's report that." Dude, 16% is damn close to the actual number. So I think I will quote it.

Except you don't know the 'actual number.' That's the point.

Are you sure?

Yes.

 

[SteveKnobs]

Except you don't know the 'actual number.' That's the point.





Yes.

Oh that's right- YOU know the actual number. I guess I have no argument then. You win.

 

[mKTank]

Oh that's right- YOU know the actual number. I guess I have no argument then. You win.

Fallacy of false alternatives. Yes, I indeed win.

 

[hi res]

I have an iPad, actually.

Well woopity-doo, don't I look like an ******... The fact remains though, that we all want to know why you're so steadfast in upholding the word of Samsung. They obviously don't have a track record of accurate information, and like a previous poster said, the analysts aren't just pulling arbitrary numbers out of the air. So what's the deal with your crush on Samsung? You claim they have the numbers so they must be telling us everything--really?, they're the only people with their own interest taken into account, so phrases like "smoothed-over" come up. Analysts are just reporting what they've been told is fact, they're not trying to bad mouth any companies.

 

[mKTank]

Well woopity-doo, don't I look like an ******... The fact remains though, that we all want to know why you're so steadfast in upholding the word of Samsung. They obviously don't have a track record of accurate information, and like a previous poster said, the analysts aren't just pulling arbitrary numbers out of the air. So what's the deal with your crush on Samsung? You claim they have the numbers so they must be telling us everything--really?, they're the only people with their own interest taken into account, so phrases like "smoothed-over" come up. Analysts are just reporting what they've been told is fact, they're not trying to bad mouth any companies.

Again, they can't lie about these numbers or else they could get sued. Just look at AT&T and Verizon and the countless lawsuits passed around due to misinformation. Samsung knows the numbers better than the analysts and thus it makes more sense to believe them.

 

[Apple OC]

Fallacy of false alternatives. Yes, I indeed win.

Does Samsung actually produce any worthy products? ... I doubt if their tablet will become ground breaking.

Apple on the other hand is a leader not a follower.

 

[mKTank]

Does Samsung actually produce any worthy products? ... I doubt if their tablet will become ground breaking.

Apple on the other hand is a leader not a follower.

They started being a follower when Android 2.2 came out. They're behind in just about everything. Performance, functionality, smoothness, polish...everything but apps, and that credit goes to the developers, not Apple.

So does Samsung actually produce any worthy products? More than you'll ever know, bub. It's too late to try to save you.

 

[SteveKnobs]

Again, they can't lie about these numbers or else they could get sued. Just look at AT&T and Verizon and the countless lawsuits passed around due to misinformation. Samsung knows the numbers better than the analysts and thus it makes more sense to believe them.

Again, no one said they are lying about the numbers. They just aren't reporting the correct numbers ie return rate to manufacture. And if Samsung is the ONLY one that knows the numbers- then how could they be sued? They hold the evidence in their hands.

 

[mKTank]

Again, no one said they are lying about the numbers. They just aren't reporting the correct numbers ie return rate to manufacture. And if Samsung is the ONLY one that knows the numbers- then how could they be sued? They hold the evidence in their hands.

They could be challenged and forced to prove the numbers. If anybody was confident enough in the analysts in this case, they could challenge Samsung.

 

[SteveKnobs]

They started being a follower when Android 2.2 came out. They're behind in just about everything. Performance, functionality, smoothness, polish...everything but apps, and that credit goes to the developers, not Apple.

So does Samsung actually produce any worthy products? More than you'll ever know, bub. It's too late to try to save you.

They produce nice TVs- yes. Mobile devices- not so much. And you re telling me Android leads in performance, smoothness, polish.... Have you even opened your iPad dude? I, and the millions of other iPad owners, could not disagree more.

 

[Apple OC]

They started being a follower when Android 2.2 came out. They're behind in just about everything. Performance, functionality, smoothness, polish...everything but apps, and that credit goes to the developers, not Apple.

So does Samsung actually produce any worthy products? More than you'll ever know, bub. It's too late to try to save you.

I have been buying electronics for years ... and have never been swayed to even consider a Samsung for anything ... bub.

 

[mKTank]

They produce nice TVs- yes. Mobile devices- not so much. And you re telling me Android leads in performance, smoothness, polish.... Have you even opened your iPad dude? I, and the millions of other iPad owners, could not disagree more.

Leading in performance - in web browsing, Android performs so much better than iOS it's not even funny. It also opens general apps faster. Maybe this is because Android devices tend to be higher specs.

Leading in functionality - I don't even have to bother. But it has something to do with ability to do Flash, have a filesystem, no stupid restrictions, etc.

Leading in smoothness - goes to WP7. Obviously. If you've ever touched one, you know that it just never lags, no matter what.

Leading in polish - you should look at Honeycomb. It wipes the floor with iPad's iOS.

I have been buying electronics for years ... and have never been swayed to even consider a Samsung for anything ... bub.

I wonder wh-

*looks at name, website*

Oh. That's why.

 

[alex2792]

Well, I'm a former iPad owner who will be buying a Xoom so there's one lost customer. iOS is great for a phone or an mp3 player, not so much for a tablet designed to replace a netbook. The really annoying part is the fact that the restrictions are artificially imposed by Apple in order to force people to buy more media/apps from the iTunes store. The multitasking also sucks due to a ridiculously low 256mb RAM, not to mention having to constantly reload open pages in safari since there's not enough memory to cache stuff. Oh, and don't get me started on Steve's obsession with blocking flash and safari's inability to properly handle frames.

 

[SteveKnobs]

Leading in performance - in web browsing, Android performs so much better than iOS it's not even funny. It also opens general apps faster. Maybe this is because Android devices tend to be higher specs.

Leading in functionality - I don't even have to bother. But it has something to do with ability to do Flash, have a filesystem, no stupid restrictions, etc.

Leading in smoothness - goes to WP7. Obviously. If you've ever touched one, you know that it just never lags, no matter what.

Leading in polish - you should look at Honeycomb. It wipes the floor with iPad's iOS.

Better specs? Yes- on products not even released yet a year after iPad 1 was released.

Flash- is this good for anything besides porn and pop-op ads?

Filesystem- pretty sure dropbox, iBooks, etc works just fine for ANYTHING I need to access.

Honeycomb's polish- you haven't even had your hands on it yet. You've seen brief hands-on with reporters or a scripted/optimized presentation of what it can do. I don't know about honeycomb yet because I haven't used it. But I've had plenty of time with iOS- and i dig it.

I respect your stubbornness and resolve, but dude you're speaking to an empty auditorium here. I'm right; you're right...and let's face it- this is an Apple fan club here. I'm not sure what you re trying to accomplish.

 

[chrono1081]

Apple will need to innovate further … there is only so much kool-aid to go around. The competition came out strong this year with Dual-Core CPU's.

But if everybody paid attention they'd realize that the iPad may NOT be announced this February so that production of NVidia's Tegra 3 will have Quad-Core cpu's … actually the 2nd generation Tegra can scale to 8 cores.

so we'll see.

As always "Apple koolaid" = myth. No one goes and buys a $500+ device because its Apple. They buy it for the user experience and what it has to offer.

 

[Apple OC]

Leading in performance - in web browsing, Android performs so much better than iOS it's not even funny. It also opens general apps faster. Maybe this is because Android devices tend to be higher specs.

Leading in functionality - I don't even have to bother. But it has something to do with ability to do Flash, have a filesystem, no stupid restrictions, etc.

Leading in smoothness - goes to WP7. Obviously. If you've ever touched one, you know that it just never lags, no matter what.

Leading in polish - you should look at Honeycomb. It wipes the floor with iPad's iOS.

Samsung? ... seriously now

I watch TV on a Sony ... I listen to music with a Bryston and and a portable iPod Touch ... I make phone calls on an iPhone ... I use a MBP for a computer with ClickToFlash to block Flash on purpose.

There is nothing that Samsung makes that could replace this stuff.

 

[DeepIn2U]

As always "Apple koolaid" = myth. No one goes and buys a $500+ device because its Apple. They buy it for the user experience and what it has to offer.

Considering all the crazy picture threads & post your Mac/iOS device threads on these boards sometimes the 'promise' of great user experience that is 90/100 tried.& true from Apple is enough. Many bought the ipad based on how the iphone performed, many didn't (such as myself) only to find out thAt after a few powerful apps it's a world onto it's own & even better in most cases.

Products schedule to be for sale in less than 2mths after a public demonstration with a few 10's of units show after press isNOT vaporware.

 

[mKTank]

Better specs? Yes- on products not even released yet a year after iPad 1 was released.

Flash- is this good for anything besides porn and pop-op ads?

Filesystem- pretty sure dropbox, iBooks, etc works just fine for ANYTHING I need to access.

Honeycomb's polish- you haven't even had your hands on it yet. You've seen brief hands-on with reporters or a scripted/optimized presentation of what it can do. I don't know about honeycomb yet because I haven't used it. But I've had plenty of time with iOS- and i dig it.

I respect your stubbornness and resolve, but dude you're speaking to an empty auditorium here. I'm right; you're right...and let's face it- this is an Apple fan club here. I'm not sure what you re trying to accomplish.

Ugh, the ignorance.

There have been Android phones that have better specs before the iPhone 4 even came out. As for tablets, I'm assuming most manufacturers were just waiting for Honeycomb.

As for Flash, it's good for porn and pop-up ads (which actually don't use Flash but whatever)...as well as over 70% of video content on the web.

Filesystem. I mean real filesystem, not a gimped app like Dropbox.

Honeycomb and Gingerbread are extremely well polished. They match iOS if not surpasses it, probably mostly due to how dated iOS is starting to look. It's virtually visually unchanged from day one except some minor additions to the UI. I realize this is subjective so I'm sorry for introducing it.

 

[mKTank]

Samsung? ... seriously now

I watch TV on a Sony ... I listen to music with a Bryston and and a portable iPod Touch ... I make phone calls on an iPhone ... I use a MBP for a computer with ClickToFlash to block Flash on purpose.

There is nothing that Samsung makes that could replace this stuff.

Yeah, didn't you hear? Samsung makes Android now.

 

[fertilized-egg]

the analysts aren't just pulling arbitrary numbers out of the air. So what's the deal with your crush on Samsung? You claim they have the numbers so they must be telling us everything--really?.

Samsung is simply playing the usual corporate word game.

When the "sales is slow" misquote was reported incorrectly, Samsung quickly put it on their company blog and twitter that the "rumor regarding the sales is not true."

OK, so the Samsung executive was clearly misquoted. However that was not the main point. The main point was that Samsung's reported sales number wasn't the number of units sold to end users and the actual retail sales number wasn't as good as they had expected. Yet Samsung conveniently ignored those two points and instead insisted on pointing out the misquote, trying to dismiss the whole thing based on it.

Likewise, we have no idea what Samsung is talking about with regards to returns. The analyst tracked down the numbers from the retailers and reported their findings. Samsung is now claiming "less than 2%" on returns but what does that exactly mean? Is that the number of eturned units from retailers to Samsung? The end users to retailers? Defective units returned to the retailers? Or defective units returned to Samsung? Does that count the % against the shipped units or just the units sold to the end users? Samsung didn't clear up any of these and simply said "return," which could be interpreted in a million different ways unlike the figure from the analyst.

This is a typical corporate word game. When everyone thought Samsung actually "sold" all those Galaxy Tabs, Samsung never bothered to correct the media. Yet when Samsung had to talk to the investors they were quick to reveal the actual sales differed and fell under the expectation, but the executive got defensive and tried to make it look good by saying the sales was going "smooth" I mean what the heck do you mean by "smooth" when you just admitted the sales wasn't as good as the expectation? That there was no earthquake stopping the Galaxy Tabs from being sold?