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Why Apple won't be scared
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Apple OC
macrumors 68040
Investors and shareholders. It would be illegal for them to lie about those numbers. Even in the Korean stock market.
I admit "smooth" is not the best word... but English is not her native tongue, so you have to cut her some slack there. 🙂
Yes, of course it would be illegal. However, I doubt shareholders and investors are following tech blogs to watch them bicker; besides wouldn't they need a vote with majority support for anything to happen (aka fairly unlikely)?
I just checked and her major is English, really. 😉 Besides a massive corporation like Samsung should put the person with proper linguistic skills in a call like that or use a translator.
Still, even in her native tongue of Korean the word "smooth" doesn't make much sense. If a sales is "smooth," it means the sales is going well. However she also said sales didn't meet the expectation in the same breathe. So.. what she wanted to say, in short, was "the sales fell short of our expectation but it wasn't terrible." But if she said that it wouldn't sound good, so instead she was using another word to "smooth" out the bad connotation. I just love corporate speak 😀
Of course that's why you get the Google Nexus phones so that you get fast updates directly from Google just like how the Nexus One users got their Gingerbread upgrade soon after the OS release. Oh wait...
chrono1081
macrumors G3
I'm sorry your post made absolutely no sense to me.
There are picture threads because people buy and love their Apple products. Apple delivers consistent quality across a spectrum of devices and people like that quality and enjoy the experience. People come to expect this quality which causes them to buy the Apple product if it fits their needs.
Your comment about the iPad makes no sense either, ("A world onto its own?"). The iPad is a media consumption device and is something a lot of people were looking for so they bought it. That doesn't mean anyone drank "Apple kool-aid" that means they simply saw a device that fit a need and purchased it.
As far as your vaporware comment, I have no clue where you got that. I said nothing about vaporware.
jmpnop
macrumors 6502a
All credits goes to developers.
Android 3.0 will make Tab a much better tablet. iOS isn't a good tablet OS, just an awesome app-launching machine.
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Yeah right...a phone that drops calls if you hold the phone as a normal phone. That's really consistent quality.
People buy Apple products because they feel they are "exclusive". They buy Apple products because they look nice, not necessarily because they offer the best features. They buy Apple products because they tend to cost more, and as such that must automatically make them better, and it's something to boast about. People bought the iPad because Apple made it, not because it was something they were "looking for".
I have an iPad, but I'd never bother with an iPhone - total trash compared to other smart phones out there. I'd be better off spending the money on an iPod Touch, and then just getting a phone that you know, actually works as a phone.
Fubar1977
macrumors 6502a
Apples dominance of the tablet market is bound to be eroded as the competition catches up.
I do currently use an iPad but if someone else comes out with something better/at a better price I would certainly consider it.
I love Apple stuff but certainly not to the exclusion of common sense.
I do currently use an iPad but if someone else comes out with something better/at a better price I would certainly consider it.
I love Apple stuff but certainly not to the exclusion of common sense.
Wow dude- this is wrong on so many levels.
1) Yes- a little people buy Apple because they they feel they are exclusive because..... They ARE exclusive.
2) The majority of Apple consumers do buy Apple gear for they're looks, and because the features are more or less all they need. They are not spec junkies or tech nerds that care about anything but being able to make a call (can't wait to hear a joke about that), send a text, browse the Internet, and play some silly game or other app. The majority of users have no need or desire for the features that I know you are thinking of.
3) A lot of people did buy the iPad because it was made by Apple, but not ~15 million people!!
Stop using your hate for the iPhone as grounds for taking a dump on all Apple products, and the people that use them. You're acting like a douche.
Winni
macrumors 68040
Only that billions of people are going to have a demand for mobile Internet devices in the next years and decades and only a fistful of them live in the US or will have the money to pay an Apple premium -- while at the same time anybody can build a cheap device with a Linux-based operating system on it.
We will soon (in one to two years) be seeing one hundred dollar gadgets, and that's a market that Apple will NEVER enter, but this is where hundreds of millions of users will be. It's a simple numbers game, just do the maths.
Piggie
macrumors G3
I do think people who read these forums have a distorted vision of the world, where $400 or $500 can just be thrown around without thinking.
Also many/most other countries don't have the same "Disposable Income" that many in America have.
I've never met anyone who owns an iMac or a Macbook.
I know 3 people who own iPhones and I guess a few children of those families own iPods and that's it.
Everyone else I've every known have owned PC's or PC Laptops, and non Apple phones.
Apple products are way way WAY the minority of what people own and tend to just have a tiny display in the corner of some shops, and that's it.
Yes there are some Apple stores, but they are very few and far between.
About 30 stores in the UK for a population of around 62 million.
PanAm-L1011
macrumors 6502a
I love how people who recognize a great product have drunk Kool-Aid. Apple does it better than anyone else. Period. It look me a long time to realize that. I will most likely never buy a PC again and I will most likely never by a non-Apple tablet. Until other products can match Apple's functionality and design there's no point. And right now IMO no one comes even close. In any field - computers, mp3 players, phones and now tablets. I can't wait until May when I can upgrade to the iPhone. I dumped it two years ago because ATT was awful.
chrono1081
macrumors G3
First, the whole dropped call thing is a myth as far as I'm concerned. I have yet to know a single person with problems and I have 26 iPhone 4's registered in my developer profile. If its so wide spread I'm sure at least one of those people would have experienced something. Not to mention people outside the U.S. off of ATT's network never seem to have problems. 🙄
Second, people buy electronics for functionality not because they cost more. To say people bought the iPad simply because "Apple made it" is foolish and shows you really don't know much about the electronics industry. A lot of people have been looking for that type of device. Why do you think netbooks became so popular? They were a small device to get on the internet and watch movies with.
Lastly, its clear you've never had an iPhone 4 from your whole "total trash" comment. To call something that thin with a great battery life, amazing screen, dual cameras, great OS, and great call quality trash only shows you are doing nothing more then trolling.
Fubar1977
macrumors 6502a
I don`t often agree with you Winni but I`ve got to say I`m with you on this one.
Apple have no interest in the "budget" market and their share of the tablet sector will fall drastically as other manufacturers produce competitive and substantially cheaper devices.
So far that's purely a conjecture. Before we even contemplate that the question is whether being competitive and substantially cheaper is possible for the competitors right now. The Galaxy Tab should've been cheaper yet wasn't. The Moto Xoom is rumored to be more expensive than comparable iPads, not to mention it doesn't look like they will have anything to match the $500 iPad out of gate. Small players like JooJoo and NotionInk Adam also couldn't beat Apple's pricing in any significant way.
The only people who are selling tablets substantially cheaper than Apple are those who sell inferior tablets with no proper optimization of software and rather poor built quality (hello Archos) Even then, if people have $300 for a tablet, you'll probably think the same people will spend $500 to get what they think is "the real deal" instead of something that feels really cheap and cheesy. The only exception here is B&N Nook Color but that's a special case of selling the reader at a low price to get more book sales, so let's leave that out of this discussion.
When Apple priced their low end iPad at $500, they basically declared the war and dared everyone else to beat them. There's reason that both Samsung and Motorola are trying very hard to market their tablets around the carriers instead of pushing them hard through the traditional retail channel: they are having a hard time matching Apple's pricing.
Piggie
macrumors G3
There are also people, perhaps the mass of people who buy what they can afford.
Perhaps they know a $500 ipad is the best, like they may know a Rolls Royce might be the best, but they have to live to a budget, so they will buy the ford instead.
After Honeycomb has been out a while, production issues are resolved, and all the key items, touch screen, battery, memory etc are all perfected, we may well see perfectly reasonable $200 Asus tablets that work just fine, and people are happy with.
Like me, I could walk into a store and buy a $1000 washing machine for the kitchen, but I don't, as I don't wish to spend that much from my overall budget. A $300 one will do. No it won't last as long perhaps and it's made from thinner metal, but hey it works.
The same goes for most purchases. Not many people go into a store and buy the most expensive one of whatever they are looking for.
Most people will go for the most reasonably priced item that does the job.
This is the area of the market which Apple may well lose out on after a few years.
Perhaps they know a $500 ipad is the best, like they may know a Rolls Royce might be the best, but they have to live to a budget, so they will buy the ford instead.
After Honeycomb has been out a while, production issues are resolved, and all the key items, touch screen, battery, memory etc are all perfected, we may well see perfectly reasonable $200 Asus tablets that work just fine, and people are happy with.
Like me, I could walk into a store and buy a $1000 washing machine for the kitchen, but I don't, as I don't wish to spend that much from my overall budget. A $300 one will do. No it won't last as long perhaps and it's made from thinner metal, but hey it works.
The same goes for most purchases. Not many people go into a store and buy the most expensive one of whatever they are looking for.
Most people will go for the most reasonably priced item that does the job.
This is the area of the market which Apple may well lose out on after a few years.
The problem with that argument is Apple is the single biggest buyer of "all the key items" such as touch screen and flash memory and thus get them cheaper than anybody else. The $200 ASUS tablet that's "perfectly reasonable" is right now just a hypothetical creature that doesn't exist. The $300 Archos tablet has a screen with a horrible viewing angle and very flimsy build.
The main issue is this: tablet is right now still a luxury item that people don't need. Without Apple's marketing or the ecosystem pull, it's really hard to convince people to buy a tablet in the first place instead of a cheap netbook. Which means for most companies, it'll be hard to pump out tablets at a huge quantity like they do with netbooks. If the scale of economy is not achieved, the price cannot be lowered. That's why I think this is more like the MP3 market. People like to have tablets, but they can live well without one.
Fubar1977
macrumors 6502a
Any new technology will get cheaper over time.
What I mean is that Apple have no interest in the "budget" end of the market in any of the sectors they sell in.
So when there are (inevitably) a large number of tablets available, most of which will be perfectly good devices, Apple will, as usual, have no interest in competing in the "budget tablet" arena that will no-doubt explode over the next few years.
In exactly the same way they don`t try to compete with £350 Dell laptops and £500 tower PC`s.
Budget is not Apples market, my wallet should know!
What I mean is that Apple have no interest in the "budget" end of the market in any of the sectors they sell in.
So when there are (inevitably) a large number of tablets available, most of which will be perfectly good devices, Apple will, as usual, have no interest in competing in the "budget tablet" arena that will no-doubt explode over the next few years.
In exactly the same way they don`t try to compete with £350 Dell laptops and £500 tower PC`s.
Budget is not Apples market, my wallet should know!
cmaier
Suspended
Your serious? The iPhone is garnering 50% of all the smartphone profits, and this is achieved with 1 phone.