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I was going to buy the 30" ACD, but for half the money I got a Samsung 275t. Has DVI/VGA (I use them both at the same time and switch with the source button on the front between PC / MBP) and component (though I heard the quality isn't the best from the one and only review I found on this monitor, it's not a big concern...I'll just add Blue Ray to my PC / MBP when it comes down a bit more in price).

When I started looking I figured I'd pay more for the ACD but get more features, such is not the case...pay more get less :( Oh well, I'm quite open minded when it comes to hardware/software in general so I'll keep my eye on them (and all the other brands / models out there) and use/recommend them if/when they are better value / product then the competition.
 
Only differences;
Apple uses other brightness module which is slightly better than Dell's.
Apple uses more expensive casing.
Apple has firewire-hub.
Apple screens have a chip inside that monitors the DVI-input to fix all settings. (vs on-screen menu's @ dell)
Dell has composite/s-video/VGA.

That'll be all.
 
I don't really mind the look of the dell, but the acds are nice looking...

Kind of off topic but the refurbished 23" acd is only 700 (60% off)
 
I've been wondering the same thing lately, but a quick Google search finds some monitors to be over $5000 for 30". I couldn't believe it. Why are they so expensive? Does anyone know where I can find a comparison for 24" or bigger monitors?
 
I've been wondering the same thing lately, but a quick Google search finds some monitors to be over $5000 for 30". I couldn't believe it. Why are they so expensive?

Some of these monitors are designed for medical work and such and have pixel-counts well beyond what "consumer" 30" displays like the Apple Cinema Display or Dell FP300x which drives up their cost.
 
I don't like junky stuff on my desk. I'll pay the premium...sometimes.
 
It's called 8-bit vs 6-bit. Most of the Dell Ultrasharps are using 8-bit, but apparently they snuck 6-bit panels into one or two along the line. If you are worried, call Dell! Otherwise, as long as it's an 8-bit panel the color reproduction should be IDENTICAL with contrast and brightness being the only varying factors.

Trust me when I say that Apple doesn't do enough business for LG/Samsung to be making 8-bit panels just for them. I swear, people think that just because they slap a damn apple logo on the thing that it is blessed with pixy dust.

I wouldnt say its blessed with pixy dust since the ACD is the superior monitor.

You can take the same lcd that Eizo uses and use cheaper circuitry/chip/backlighting/glass and how backlighting is implemented/installed and end up with a worse monitor.

Just to give you an example with both Dell 30"and Apple 30" with the same lcd panel yet different components inside that drives the lcd and I know this is a bit outdated but still fair dell 30" and Apple 30" (and today 2008 I'm sure they both got modest updates as well):http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7...7.html?tag=btn

quote from the site:

"Apple trumped the Dell in our DVD-playback test, displaying less digital noise and more-realistic skin tones, and it won the more technical rounds, with more-vivid colors and better grayscale differentiation. This is the monitor of choice, especially if you own an Apple computer, since the Apple OS provides additional configuration options."

And I know this is an apple support site but I found this real quick from just googling in just seconds:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....36508&tstart=0

This guy is talking about the 2408WFP and he saids:

"After having one of these monitors for a couple of days now i wish i had payed the extra and got an Apple display. After hardware colour calibration the colours looked good in Lightroom, but still over saturated in everything else. The brightness is just insane, i had to turn it right down as my eyeballs were getting fried.

I could live with all that, but the big problem for me is the 'sharpness' setting. It defaults to 50% and the only other settings are 0%-25%-50%-75%-100%. 50% is too much and causes fonts to have a halo effect around them and 25% is too little and fonts are blurred. It is at it's worst with black text on a white background. So reading this forum looks awful. I've tried all the settings on the 'font smoothing but that doesn't help."

But in the end he tweaked it to where he was able to read the forums without the headache.. but then the apple monitor is just so perfectly calibrated right out of the box and for professionals I'm sure even better to calibrate it with spyder2 or whatever your using.

The dell monitors are not horrible and if your not a graphics designer or anything to do with graphics its more than good enough for use but for me around that range to pay for an external monitor I'd buy the apple cinema display 23" or the 30" in a heartbeat.

And I'd do it again if I needed another external monitor for use (and I have and got myself a 20" ACD just a few days ago and its very nice.. I went to best buy to look at all the samsung/lg/hp/gateway/dell and just tweaking it for 2 hours at best buy.. they all dont look as good and at the mall I saw the dell 2408WFP and played around with it for an hour and was a nice monitor.. but the colors.. just look way too oversaturated on some colors such as red and some other colors not as saturated and didnt have that vivid/pop natural colors. I tried tweaking it for an hour and I couldnt get near of what I wanted and annoyed the dell stand guy. =D

Just comparing the 24" 2407WFP I had to the 23" ACD.. the 23" ACD just overall looks better in color rendition/realistic/web surfing, and just looks that much natural without it being overly bright or overly saturated and "just right." I use the 23" ACD with its brightness only at 4-6 notches out of the whole 16 and thats still more than bright enough for me and when I'm in the darkness I use it maybe even 2-3 notches. I know someone who uses it at 1 notch.

IMHO, I think dell monitors arent all bad and some uses the same S-IPS lcds but the way its built/circuitry/chip/glass that it uses is not on par with Apple/Eizos. Thats where you see the big difference. I notice the glass on the ACD makes a huge difference as well as to the dell. When I look at the dell or samsung or LG monitors just the feel and look of the glass is a cheaper material and it to me the glass is important because the better the glass the better colors from the lcd will show through the glass (and of course accounting to the circuitry that drives the lcd as well has to be better too)... every little components takes account into making a good display and Apple has done a great job.

Final note: I also remember few years back reading a tech article about Apple using the same components as Eizos to making the ACDs. And alot of people were saying that buying an apple monitor is the cheap way of getting an Eizo quality screen.
 
My main issue with the ACD is if I am going to buy a 30" display, I want it future-proofed as possible because I don't expect to replace it until it dies. And, alas, the ACD is firmly stuck in the past with no HDCP and only a single DVI input. So unless they add in HDCP and more inputs, I'm going with the Dell 3008 or the new NEC.

But I certainly don't begrudge those who don't need either as the ACD is a very high-quality display.
 
its daylight robbery honestly
there is no reason a monitor should cost that much
but then again, the monitor has that apple logo on it
 
Ugh, the ignorance here is astonishing. The reason the Apple displays cost so much is because they use high quality IPS panels, which give the BEST color reproduction of any panel out there. Good grief. A calibrated Apple display is just a thing to behold. My wife has a 24" Samsung 245BW TN panel, and she dribbles over my Apple 23" display which cost over twice as much. Once you go IPS, everything else is just no good by comparison...
 
Ugh, the ignorance here is astonishing. The reason the Apple displays cost so much is because they use high quality IPS panels, which give the BEST color reproduction of any panel out there. Good grief. A calibrated Apple display is just a thing to behold. My wife has a 24" Samsung 245BW TN panel, and she dribbles over my Apple 23" display which cost over twice as much. Once you go IPS, everything else is just no good by comparison...


No offense but to me your the ignorant one with that comment without actually researching a bit..some of the dell 24" have S-IPS and 30" dell uses S-IPS as well but the apple display still clearly has the better color rendition/production/quality. But many people forget that the lcd panel is not the only thing that matters but how the "whole" monitor is built matters just as much like all the little components/boards/glass/circuitry/backlighting/chipset have expensive or cheaper parts as well, But many people forget also as found here it states that the chip is a bit different:

"Even though the chip on our PCB claims that it’s a gm1501, we could not find any documentation on the Genesis website other than the cryptic IC Summary that claims the gm1501 is only capable of SXGA resolutions. For those more interested, you may wish to check out the detailed summary on the nearly identical gm1601, which appears to only differ by signal type."

http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400&p=5 More could be found here, I know these are a 20" monitor comparing the Apple's S-IPS vs. Dell's 20" with S-IPS (note that they are the both same exact LG.Philips LCD LM201W01 panels.

But I do remember like I've stated before that I've seen an article few years back describing the chipset/backlighting/glass is of much better material on the ACD and that Apple used the same parts as eizos.

This is why it explains that with the same panels on the 30" ACD vs. 30" Dell both uses the ACD was clearly better except the connection ports of course. http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6470175-1.html

"Apple trumped the Dell in our DVD-playback test, displaying less digital noise and more-realistic skin tones, and it won the more technical rounds, with more-vivid colors and better grayscale differentiation. This is the monitor of choice, especially if you own an Apple computer, since the Apple OS provides additional configuration options."
 
No offense but to me your the ignorant one with that comment without actually researching a bit..some of the dell 24" have S-IPS and 30" dell uses S-IPS as well but the apple display still clearly has the better color rendition/production/quality. Not only does it matter of the panel but how the "whole" monitor is built matters just as much, also as found here it states that the chip is a bit different as to the apple's:

"Even though the chip on our PCB claims that it’s a gm1501, we could not find any documentation on the Genesis website other than the cryptic IC Summary that claims the gm1501 is only capable of SXGA resolutions. For those more interested, you may wish to check out the detailed summary on the nearly identical gm1601, which appears to only differ by signal type."

http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400&p=5 More could be found here, I know these are a 20" monitor comparing the Apple's S-IPS vs. Dell's 20" with S-IPS (note that they are the both same exact LG.Philips LCD LM201W01 panels.

But I do remember like I've stated before that I've seen an article few years back describing the chipset/backlighting/glass is of much better material on the ACD and that Apple used the same parts as eizos.


No offense, but that's quite rude. I'm well aware of other manufacturers using IPS. Did I say others didn't? Let's not beat around the bush, though. Getting an IPS panel from Dell was quite OFTEN a TOTAL crap-shoot since there was a total panel lottery at times from them. And right now, how many 24" Dells are IPS panels? That would be...uhh.... none. The current 2408WFP is an S-PVA panel (I owned one and hated it for its input lag).

In any case, I was not targeting anyone in particular, but rather the accusation about the Apple displays being so "expensive" which I do not think they are for the quality they clearly are...

But thanks for asking me to do my research.
 
No offense, but that's quite rude. I'm well aware of other manufacturers using IPS. Did I say others didn't? Let's not beat around the bush, though. Getting an IPS panel from Dell was quite OFTEN a TOTAL crap-shoot since there was a total panel lottery at times from them. And right now, how many 24" Dells are IPS panels? That would be...uhh.... none. The current 2408WFP is an S-PVA panel (I owned one and hated it for its input lag).

In any case, I was not targeting anyone in particular, but rather the accusation about the Apple displays being so "expensive" which I do not think they are for the quality they clearly are...

But thanks for asking me to do my research.

Well I didnt mean to sound rude but to me I felt you were rude to everyone with your first comment when you stated that since ACD's used an S-IPS. To me, by you stating everyone being ignorant that clearly told me that you thought that the ACD's were just superior to the Dell just because of the S-IPS panels alone without even considering the components and parts that makes the whole monitor and to me that I felt you were the ignorant one but everyone has their own opinions and thoughts and I hate to fight so I'll say that no one here is ignorant. But then my counter was that in the 30" Dells they use the same S-IPS panels and some mixed bags like you say the 24" 240x's and I do agree ACD's are the best monitors at the $500-$1700 range but the dells are a mixed bag of S-PVA.

I remember there was a huge thread on the dell forums about finding a specific serial number of the 24" 2405 or 2406 (not sure if its still valid today on the 2408s) with the S-IPS panels and even ebayers were selling (same price whether its a S-IPS or S-PVA) confirming the serial numbers of their unopened boxes with the guaranteed S-IPS panels.

But my point being they both have the same S-IPS (if you find the dell's right serial number containing the S-IPS or just happened to get lucky) but the Apple's ACD is still a bit better in the color reproduction/quality of image because of what makes a good monitor is everything not just the panel itself.

You can get an S-IPS panel like the ACD and use the same eizo's components to build a monitor or get the newer H-IPS panel and let westinghouse use its cheaper components and see which monitor is better, that's my point.
 
Steve jobs once said something like (not exact words)

there you go.

As much as I LOVE Apple.. Steve Jobs is an alien.. the word Apple is the sound you get from the name of his home planet..

Steve Jobs has the Heaven's Gate cult members trapped in his basement. :apple:
 
Well I didnt mean to sound rude but to me I felt you were rude to everyone with your first comment when you stated that since ACD's used an S-IPS. To me, by you stating everyone being ignorant that clearly told me that you thought that the ACD's were just superior to the Dell just because of the S-IPS panels alone without even considering the components and parts that makes the whole monitor and to me that I felt you were the ignorant one but everyone has their own opinions and thoughts and I hate to fight so I'll say that no one here is ignorant. But then my counter was that in the 30" Dells they use the same S-IPS panels and some mixed bags like you say the 24" 240x's and I do agree ACD's are the best monitors at the $500-$1700 range but the dells are a mixed bag of S-PVA.

I remember there was a huge thread on the dell forums about finding a specific serial number of the 24" 2405 or 2406 (not sure if its still valid today on the 2408s) with the S-IPS panels and even ebayers were selling (same price whether its a S-IPS or S-PVA) confirming the serial numbers of their unopened boxes with the guaranteed S-IPS panels.

But my point being they both have the same S-IPS (if you find the dell's right serial number containing the S-IPS or just happened to get lucky) but the Apple's ACD is still a bit better in the color reproduction/quality of image because of what makes a good monitor is everything not just the panel itself.

You can get an S-IPS panel like the ACD and use the same eizo's components to build a monitor or get the newer H-IPS panel and let westinghouse use its cheaper components and see which monitor is better, that's my point.

Hehe, no worries. Make love, not war. :)
 
My main issue with the ACD is if I am going to buy a 30" display, I want it future-proofed as possible because I don't expect to replace it until it dies. And, alas, the ACD is firmly stuck in the past with no HDCP and only a single DVI input. So unless they add in HDCP and more inputs, I'm going with the Dell 3008 or the new NEC.

But I certainly don't begrudge those who don't need either as the ACD is a very high-quality display.

Probably want to hold off on getting anything then. The new pro Samsung LED backlit displays are now on the market. While they are still expensive I anticipate the price will come down as the year goes one. One review says it all "This is a display that the average user may not be able to afford, but one that a professional cannot afford to be without". Even if you don't buy one, the pressure they will put on all the not Samsung LED displays should push the prices of the not very good old tech down and allow you to pick up something.

I expect that these (or something very link them) will be the very panels that Apple will be using when they refresh the ACDs. They are just waiting for the price to come down a bit more. Remember - Apple are aiming to go all LED backlit by the end of this year (Steve said so when the Greenies were making up stories to make Apple look bad to grab the headlines). Only reason Apple are not reducing their ACD prices is because it will be harder for them to put them back up with those LED panels roll in. If they can offer the new ACDs at the current price point, then they will actually be a reasonable buy (not unlike the ACDs were when they were first introduced).

Of course, i'm still more inclined to get a display from elsewhere - as almost every other manufacturer in the known universe offers better guarantees (3 to 5 years - often on site or swap out replacement), where as Apple's lack of confidence (year, and in the UK even with Apple Care I have to haul it along to a store or approved service centre??) suggests that Apple is not confident in the quality of their own product.

Right now a 24 inch Samsung LED backlit display (with hood and calibrator - pity those don't appear to be optional extras - would be nice to trim the price a little more) isn't really that much more expensive than a 23 inch ACD and Apple Care - and looks like it gives better colour too.
 
ACD expensive? You must be kidding... I paid well over $2200+ on ACD 23" a few years ago, and a brand new ACD 23" is only $899 now. I just got a ACD 30" last month for $1699... it's a bargain to get a brand spanking new 30"!
 
Probably want to hold off on getting anything then. The new pro Samsung LED backlit displays are now on the market. While they are still expensive I anticipate the price will come down as the year goes one. One review says it all "This is a display that the average user may not be able to afford, but one that a professional cannot afford to be without". Even if you don't buy one, the pressure they will put on all the not Samsung LED displays should push the prices of the not very good old tech down and allow you to pick up something.

I expect that these (or something very link them) will be the very panels that Apple will be using when they refresh the ACDs. They are just waiting for the price to come down a bit more. Remember - Apple are aiming to go all LED backlit by the end of this year (Steve said so when the Greenies were making up stories to make Apple look bad to grab the headlines). Only reason Apple are not reducing their ACD prices is because it will be harder for them to put them back up with those LED panels roll in. If they can offer the new ACDs at the current price point, then they will actually be a reasonable buy (not unlike the ACDs were when they were first introduced).

Of course, i'm still more inclined to get a display from elsewhere - as almost every other manufacturer in the known universe offers better guarantees (3 to 5 years - often on site or swap out replacement), where as Apple's lack of confidence (year, and in the UK even with Apple Care I have to haul it along to a store or approved service centre??) suggests that Apple is not confident in the quality of their own product.

Right now a 24 inch Samsung LED backlit display (with hood and calibrator - pity those don't appear to be optional extras - would be nice to trim the price a little more) isn't really that much more expensive than a 23 inch ACD and Apple Care - and looks like it gives better colour too.

You know Ive thought about the samsung led monitors but I can only find one one on ebay the samsung xl20 a 20" led for the same price as the 30" ACD. If u can link me to alegit place where I can order a 24" samsung led then Id appreciate it.

But then even if apple upgraded the acd with led I'd be lieing if I say I wouldnt sell the current 30" acd to buy the new one...
 
I've always wondered why the ADCs were so expensive. I just figured they had a higher quality, professional level screen.

That's spot on. They do.

ACDs (the 23" ones at least) are actually cheap. They are S-IPS panels, and for high end professional color work S-IPS is generally considered to be the best. Compare the the IPS from NEC which costs $1100. Dell uses S-IPS for the 30" but not for smaller size monitors.

You pay for quality and $800 for a S-IPS is one of the great screen bargains out there. This thread should have been entitled "Why are (23") ACDs as cheap as they are?"
 
I recently got my MBP and I've been contemplating purchasing an external monitor.

So are we thinking the Cinema Displays will be revised in the next few months? Should I wait?
 
I just went ahead and bought the 30" ACD and imho I dont think the ACD's will get an update until 1-2 more years because only thing I can think of the next display that Apple is waiting for is LED and probably bump up the monitors to H-IPS.
 
I just went ahead and bought the 30" ACD and imho I dont think the ACD's will get an update until 1-2 more years because only thing I can think of the next display that Apple is waiting for is LED and probably bump up the monitors to H-IPS.

I believe HDCP to has compel Apple to update the ACD's sooner. When they offer a blu-ray optical drive, the displays will need to be HDCP compliant.
 
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