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That's why iOS 7 makes up 92% of iOS devices?

You're talking out of your ass. You sound angry. You also sound like Apple took a crap in your cheerios. You need to relax and get outside more before the feds start knocking on your door for child porn and making bombs.

Seriously chill out.

And that's why so many people complain about iOS 7 and they force you to downgrade to it if you want to reset the phone?


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Because thinness increases the user experience and it also requires a certain level of technology to do it. So it's both a technological push and a better user experience.

If you don't push technology then technology pushes backwards. You have to strive for doing things better.

I am buying an ip6+, but can't help wondering why apple didn't decrease the bezel size, ok the bottom one is fixed due to the touchID, but the top one?? It must be due to them wanting it thinner again. But why?? Was the 5s too thick? 7.5mm is way thin enough. Wish they would either reduce bezels & keep 7.5mm or increase battery & keep 7.5mm
This drive for thinner & thinner is holding back the design
 
Conversely, what do they know, right? It isn't as if they're a multi-billion dollar company with a nearly 40 year history of creating iconic products that people buy in the hundreds of millions. I mean, I seriously doubt much thought went into the design at all, right? Apple really doesn't have anything to lose. It's just their flagship product. Why would they put a team of some of the best design minds in the world on it? Why would they bother focus grouping the phone in various sizes and configurations before arriving at the final product? I'm convinced they just dashed this thing off in Illustrator and that was more or less it. What a shame that they didn't consult with us, a collection of random brand loyal consumers who may or may not have a design background? Surely WE know better, right? Right?

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You react like someone that works for Apple. Take it easy, dude. Apple is not perfect. How many billions of dollars did they lose by continuing with the 4 inch 5S? How many iPhone users jumped ship because the great and powerful Johnny Ive misread the market? And YES, they SHOULD consult with their consumers to see what they want.

I am very invested in the Apple ecosystem, so changing phones would be a royal pain for me. But the ridiculous adherence to whatever symmetrical design their OCD engineers desire is making it real hard for me to buy a 6. I think the Moto X (current, not the new one) strikes a nice balance between screen size and phone size. They made a phone that is just a teensy bit physically bigger than iPhone 5S, but with 0.7 extra inches of screen real estate. That is about my personal sweet spot.

So why did Apple make a phone that large and only put a 4.7 inch screen in it when Motorola showed it could use the space much more efficiently? It's very frustrating that Apple has allowed other companies to beat them in design.
 
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Is it really "the problem" for Apple? How was the battery life on those old Nokia phones? Were they running a touch screen? A fingerprint scanner? A camera? An LTE connection? A Wi-Fi connection? A Blue-Tooth connection? An accelerometer? A graphics processor? A massive 1.4ghz CPU?

Battery life on these devices has hovered around the same or better performance year over year for the last decade or so while the devices get thinner and thinner and are made to do more and more. This doesn't strike me as a "problem" for Apple. This strikes me as an achievement.


Not sure why you're coming after me. I'm a fan of Apple. But, I will say iphone 5 thickness on he sixes and increased battery life would have been fine. I dont see why they need to go thinner and thinner. But, I'll get one either way.

And remember, stop phone anorexia!
 
But that's your opinion. Your opinion has no basis on fact.

Here's a fact - the iphone 6 and 6+ sold a record number of iphones within 24 hours.

Your opinion doesn't matter.



You react like someone that works for Apple. Take it easy, dude. Apple is not perfect. How many billions of dollars did they lose by continuing with the 4 inch 5S? How many iPhone users jumped ship because the great and powerful Johnny Ive misread the market? And YES, they SHOULD consult with their consumers to see what they want.

I am very invested in the Apple ecosystem, so changing phones would be a royal pain for me. But the ridiculous adherence to whatever symmetrical design their OCD engineers desire is making it real hard for me to buy a 6. I think the Moto X (current, not the new one) strikes a nice balance between screen size and phone size. They made a phone that is just a teensy bit physically bigger than iPhone 5S, but with 0.7 extra inches of screen real estate. That is about my personal sweet spot.

So why did Apple make a phone that large and only put a 4.7 inch screen in it when Motorola showed it could use the space much more efficiently? It's very frustrating that Apple has allowed other companies to beat them in design.
 
But that's your opinion. Your opinion has no basis on fact.

Here's a fact - the iphone 6 and 6+ sold a record number of iphones within 24 hours.

Your opinion doesn't matter.


I'm sorry, I didn't know I was on the MacFacts forum where opinions aren't tolerated. My bad.
 
I'm someone who has worked in advertising agencies and high tech companies doing design work for a couple decades. Not an Apple employee. What I'm saying has nothing to do with fandom. It has to do with realism. You're claiming that Apple has made some big mistake here. Both with the design of these devices and now with the size of previous products as well. I suppose all that lost money is how they've become one of the most highly valued companies in history? How they've dominated the moble markets for years in spite of "only" offering such "small" phones (which, by the way, were considered gargantuan when the iPhone first came out.) Your post even shows you don't quite grasp how it works. Ive isn't sitting at his desk "designing the new iPhone." Ive is Apple's chief designer. He oversees a HUGE design department that does the work. He creative directs. Additionally, as should be dead obvious, a billion dollar company doesn't do this stuff in a vacuum. They do massive amounts of market and customer research. They DO listen to their customers. That's WHY they're releasing bigger devices.

Seriously. Think about it for a second. Apple isn't a handful of guys in an office park somewhere. It isn't Wos and Jobs in a garage anymore. It's a massive, multinational company with resources beyond anything you're giving them credit for and this is their flagship product we're talking about.

You react like someone that works for Apple. Take it easy, dude. Apple is not perfect. How many billions of dollars did they lose by continuing with the 4 inch 5S? How many iPhone users jumped ship because the great and powerful Johnny Ive misread the market? And YES, they SHOULD consult with their consumers to see what they want.

I am very invested in the Apple ecosystem, so changing phones would be a royal pain for me. But the ridiculous adherence to whatever symmetrical design their OCD engineers desire is making it real hard for me to buy a 6. I think the Moto X (current, not the new one) strikes a nice balance between screen size and phone size. They made a phone that is just a teensy bit physically bigger than iPhone 5S, but with 0.7 extra inches of screen real estate. That is about my personal sweet spot.

So why did Apple make a phone that large and only put a 4.7 inch screen in it when Motorola showed it could use the space much more efficiently? It's very frustrating that Apple has allowed other companies to beat them in design.
 
Not sure why you're coming after me. I'm a fan of Apple. But, I will say iphone 5 thickness on he sixes and increased battery life would have been fine. I dont see why they need to go thinner and thinner. But, I'll get one either way.

And remember, stop phone anorexia!

I'm not coming after you, I just think your comment was a bit... absurd.
 
I'm someone who has worked in advertising agencies and high tech companies doing design work for a couple decades. Not an Apple employee. What I'm saying has nothing to do with fandom. It has to do with realism. You're claiming that Apple has made some big mistake here. Both with the design of these devices and now with the size of previous products as well. I suppose all that lost money is how they've become one of the most highly valued companies in history? How they've dominated the moble markets for years in spite of "only" offering such "small" phones (which, by the way, were considered gargantuan when the iPhone first came out.) Your post even shows you don't quite grasp how it works. Ive isn't sitting at his desk "designing the new iPhone." Ive is Apple's chief designer. He oversees a HUGE design department that does the work. He creative directs. Additionally, as should be dead obvious, a billion dollar company doesn't do this stuff in a vacuum. They do massive amounts of market and customer research. They DO listen to their customers. That's WHY they're releasing bigger devices.

Seriously. Think about it for a second. Apple isn't a handful of guys in an office park somewhere. It isn't Wos and Jobs in a garage anymore. It's a massive, multinational company with resources beyond anything you're giving them credit for and this is their flagship product we're talking about.


Do you think I literally meant Johnny Ive misread the tea leaves by himself in a vacuum?? I was using him as a stand-in for the engineers that designed the new phones.

Apple is obviously going to sell a crapload of 6 & 6+s. I'm not saying Apple has made a mistake that will threaten their existence. I'm saying I personally dislike the new design. That's all. On that subject I am the one and only expert in the world. Obviously, there are a few others of us here that disagree with the phone to screen ratio.
 
Do you think I literally meant Johnny Ive misread the tea leaves by himself in a vacuum?? I was using him as a stand-in for the engineers that designed the new phones.

Apple is obviously going to sell a crapload of 6 & 6+s. I'm not saying Apple has made a mistake that will threaten their existence. I'm saying I personally dislike the new design. That's all. On that subject I am the one and only expert in the world. Obviously, there are a few others of us here that disagree with the phone to screen ratio.

Right. So, after all that you finally get to the point I was making from the outset.

In a nutshell: be careful about stating your opinions as if they were facts.
 
And the thinness is at the expense of the other dimensions in this case? You know that to be a fact? Because I hate to break it to you, but you don't.

Evidently the primary complaint here is the protruding camera. Something many other devices have, including Apple's own iPod Touch. So, what you're doing is engaging in speculation. Where you see a design flaw or a horrible compromise Apple may see a design that they're happy with, that they're confident the vast majority of consumers will have no problem with and that is in line with the rest of their existing design philosophy.

Im talking about the butt ugly bezels.
 
I am buying an ip6+, but can't help wondering why apple didn't decrease the bezel size, ok the bottom one is fixed due to the touchID, but the top one?? It must be due to them wanting it thinner again. But why?? Was the 5s too thick? 7.5mm is way thin enough. Wish they would either reduce bezels & keep 7.5mm or increase battery & keep 7.5mm
This drive for thinner & thinner is holding back the design

the design is to be thin, dont be thick.
 
Right. So, after all that you finally get to the point I was making from the outset.

In a nutshell: be careful about stating your opinions as if they were facts.


My OPINION is that the bezels are freaking huge. My OPINION is that lots of other people agree but will buy the phones anyway. My OPINION is that the design team at Apple screwed the pooch. It is a FACT that I am considering trying an alternative.
 
My OPINION is that the bezels are freaking huge. My OPINION is that lots of other people agree but will buy the phones anyway. My OPINION is that the design team at Apple screwed the pooch. It is a FACT that I am considering trying an alternative.

Your OPINION that Apple "screwed the pooch" is complete and total, unmitigated NONSENSE based on absolutely NOTHING beyond your faulty understanding of design and marketing. As I asked another member, do you REALLY think it would have been a good idea for Apple to design an iPhone that looks nothing like an iPhone? Do you really think they're going into this launch cold in terms of customer reaction to the design? Or are you just looking for an excuse to try another brand?
 
You mean the ugly bezels that define the whole look of the device as an iPhone? Those ugly bezels? Maybe Apple should have left that ugly logo off the back too?

So you think its ok for Apple to make a phone look ugly just to make it look like the previous iphone? Its a new phone, its ok to change the design a little, especially if its going to look 100x better. The isheep will buy the thing in droves anyway but Apple will struggle to attract new users.
 
Feels nicer in the hand?
Shows engineering prowess?
Phones with less interior volume take up less space in the pocket?
 
The only reason I see against making the same size/making it thicker so that the battery is bigger is then the weight of the device, I imagine they want it thin so it can also be light and have a certain feel to the device relative to the size of it.
 
As I asked another member, do you REALLY think it would have been a good idea for Apple to design an iPhone that looks nothing like an iPhone?

I remember all the renderings of the rumored iPhone 5 back in early 2012. The ones that MacRumors users were swooning over were some of the ugliest, most backwards looking devices. Oblong home buttons, a design with corners so sharp they'd impale your hand if you touched it wrong, and almost complete lack of bezels across the board.

But it wasn't any one aspect of them that was especially sickening, it was the fact that they looked nothing like iPhones. So glad that Apple hasn't changed the things that don't need to be changed.
 
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