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Why cant install single user Leopard on more than 1 Mac ?

Answering this question is such a waste of everyone's time.

Look, we all know what's right and we know what's wrong. Just do the right thing. Don't argue the semantics.

People that want to do the wrong thing (like, I suspect the OP) will do it anyway, knowing full well it's wrong. They're just posting here to gauge the community's reaction.

As long as the rest of us don't degenerate into the same moral-less mess, we're ok. But please let's not make it so that we have to have registration and authentication every time we re-install that's no fun for anyone.

This isn't a question of what's legal, illegal, moral or immoral, it's a question of doing the right thing. And we all know what that is.

Simple really.

Bill Gates once said he'd rather people pirate Windoze than buy other OS's because at least they're using Windoze. So OP, go steal that one.
 
I'm happy to pay for a few softwares now an then, but I'm still hoping for an open-source revolution in my lifetime :)
 
psychofreak said:
I'm happy to pay for a few softwares now an then, but I'm still hoping for an open-source revolution in my lifetime :)
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Salut!

I remember downloading a lot of illegal programs and movies+music when I was younger. The first: "MS visual basic". Spending 1 year of my "week-pay" savings from my parents to buy it legally seemed impossible at the time. So me and a friend went down the road to obtain it the illegal way. The years that followed I don't think I bought a single product, be it music, games or programs.

After I got a job, a credit card and passed the "legal" age that kind of behavior got archived under "childhood". It's still a process but at least I'm buying all my music through ITunes these days and I even bought a copy of Adobe Photoshop CS2 last year after running pirated versions of Photoshop 4, 6, 7, and CS1.

:apple:

The fact that apple don't ask you to type in serial keys and whines one time every month to get you to validate your copy online, download this do that then click this just so you can use your OS is reason enough for me to never ever pirate the loved OSX :apple:
 
Just out of curiosity why do they call it a single-USER license. Technically if I have two macs and I am the only user then it would fall under this title of single-user. Much like MS office is allowed to be installed on a home computer and a portable if they are used by the same user. Keep in mind i am talking about the title not the EULA or other legal stuff.
 
The way i see it. The Leopard Operating System is ONLY about 129 bucks... I mean come on!... Compared to Windows Os, it's really cheap and you get a great Operating system. If apply put this much effore in making a great os, 129 is a REALLY good price. Come on you can't be cheap.

Second, If i work, which i do, i don't want to take 129 buck out of my account to buy one, just to give it to a cheap person and let him get my copy of osx. I mean it's like saying, you buying Adobe CS1 or any os that's like over 200 dollars, and giving it to someone. They DON'T care that you worked for your money, and in some cases people save to buy these softwares, and to share it to someone... I mean that seems low. IF someone would ask me for a copy, i would tell them to 1)get a job and buy one, 2)don't be cheap it's only 129.

Regarding what the OP asked. Nothing is stopping you from installing ONE single user dvd on other computers, but if you want to keep it legal and moral... That shouldn't even be a options. YES you can, but why should you?
 
I installed my disc of Leopard on a friends mac and it went just fine. We even registered it and everything. No blocks, no codes etc.... Works great
 
Macsterling said:
I installed my disc of Leopard on a friends mac and it went just fine. We even registered it and everything. No blocks, no codes etc.... Works great
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You're my idol. I mean can I like have your autograph.
I hope your hard drive fails.

On a another note, I got a copy of Leopard for free. Well not exactly. My wife bought it for me for an anniversary present. She got it at Microcenter for $129.99 plus tax, so about $140. She also got a $40 Mail-in Rebate for $40 bringing her cost to $100. Best deal I've seen for 10.5

Unless you're spineless that is.
 
benpatient said:
this argument keeps getting dumber every time I see it written out.

Do people really have such a hard time with analogy?

For the TV analogy to work, you'd have to buy a single TV, take it home, and then magically clone it so that you could watch TV in two rooms at the same time. It isn't the same thing and it never will be.

You can say "you're depriving the TV manufacturers of the money they would make from selling you that other TV," but that's just not true, because honestly, I wouldn't buy the other TV to begin with. If I could make copies of my 50" plasma TV, I would have one in almost every room of my house! I would make a wall of them upstairs and turn on their "matrix" feature and have one of those giant TV matrix walls 100's of inches wide.

But only if that were free or close to free. If I had the $50,000 it would take to do this, I wouldn't spend it on a bunch of TVs. I would spend it elsewhere or keep my money for later.

I probably wouldn't buy another copy of 10.5 if I already had a single license of it and wanted to put it on another Mac that only had 10.4.
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You aren't buying the software. You are buying a license to use the software. The license you purchase is not good for more than one computer.

If you want a different analogy: If you pay a clown to perform for your kids birthday does that mean he has to perform that same act for every birthday you want him to? I mean, you did pay for the performance. He should do it at your whim.

Oh yeah, and if you cloned a tv you'd still be breaking Patent and trademark law.

Face it, you're stealing.
 
saltyzoo said:
You aren't buying the software. You are buying a license to use the software. The license you purchase is not good for more than one computer.

If you want a different analogy: If you pay a clown to perform for your kids birthday does that mean he has to perform that same act for every birthday you want him to? I mean, you did pay for the performance. He should do it at your whim.
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Or how about movies. If I buy a DVD, is it right to make copies of that DVD and give it to my friends so that they can watch it. No.

I can invite them over to watch it. I can rip it to my computer for use with my Apple TV or to make a backup copy so that the kids don't trash it, but that is for my own personal viewing and backup needs.
 
i think that people are not aware about the effort to create the most secure, flexible, beautifull, and reliable OS.

Think just for one second, microchoft has like 10 versions of their OS, they charge you like 500 usd for the most "advanced" one.

Leopard just cost 129 usd, and not only is the best OS, it comes with all you need.
 
Simple answer to the OP- by accepting to install you are asked to follow Apples legal rules.
However, each to his own. I wouldn't wish to pass judgement upon someone for not following the 'rules' to the letter. Its your life, do want you feel you can justify to yourself based upon your circumstances at that moment.
I've never met anyone , and I mean ANYONE, who could say that they haven't done something that they considered either illegal or immoral. Happy to say that most interesting characters that I have had the pleasure of meeting were the ones who don't follow the rules either morally or legally 24/7. Long may that continue imo.
 
Someone got an 840 on their SATs. Installing several copies of Leopard off of one license is NOT like breaking into a place and stealing bigscreen TVs. From a legal standpoint these are completely different laws at issue. From a practical standpoint, stealing bigscreen TVs steals an actual tangible resource - the parts used to manufacture - that can't be replaced. Of course stealing Leopard is still stealing, but it's entirey different. You want to make a good analogy? How about, if you BUY a Toshiba bigscreen TV, but then install the OS from a Sony bigscreen TV on it.
 
I read many of the posts here carefully and I agreed with some and disagreed with some. I understand morally you shouldnt install one license on two computers or what have you, It's just a touchy subject. 3 apple computers. an ibook, a macbook and a macbook pro. I used them all for different things, but none the less I bought them from apple and it cost me a pretty penny, so why should I spend extra money?
Well, the truth is, I shouldn't have to. And the reason for this is, Apple is practically being a hypocrite.

You have three macs you go and buy one copy of the osx and put it on 3 of your computers. "which is morally wrong and apple doesn't make money"

You have 3 iPods, you go and buy a MUSIC CD and put it on all three iPods. "but, it's okay for a musician to get their cd ripped off"

Some of you may not agree, but it's the truth.
The same is for the entire household.
Well, I'm buying one copy for 3 of my computers and when Apple decides to start paying me for how many iPods my cd is loaded into.. then apple can get the rest of my money.
 
If you were worth the time of effort, I'd report you to Apple. If you have 3 Apple computers, I'm sure you can afford to buy a 'family pack'.
 
there's also the notion that Apple has already gotten $ from the potential evil-doers. if someone has a stolen copy of Windows, they put it on their homemade machine and voila, microsoft hasnt made a dime. however, apple has already gotten paid from those macs that you're about to load up with the same Leopard DVD, so I think it's also less of an issue in that Apple doesn't care as much
 
wow..

ok, i'm all for buying things and doing it the right way but i also sometimes think it's ok to support these things.

people are getting entirely way too serious with their apples. it's gotten to be some weird trend. everyone is obsession over their apples. it's just a computer. if someone wants to copy leopard onto their mac then that's them. don't e-murder them just because they're asking it. it's like, "oh noo! why would you ever not want to pay 120 bucks and just get it for free!!?" geez louise..

yeah, i'm sure people are going to go crazy over this post but i just had to say what i was thinking. reading this thread just seemed like some kind of high school obsession. they're just computers.. not air.
 
Because the entire point is that it's called stealing otherwise.

"It's only gas."

"It's only groceries."

"It's only a DVD."

"It's only a book."

"It's only a song."

"It's only software."

It's not an Apple thing. Most of us aren't into pirating software (or theft in general), period.

Try looking at it this way: we don't have a problem with you doing it, but you have to go to an Apple Store and shoplift your own copy. Does it still feel like not a big deal?
 
PhotoPhoenix said:
ok, i'm all for buying things and doing it the right way but i also sometimes think it's ok to support these things.

people are getting entirely way too serious with their apples. it's gotten to be some weird trend. everyone is obsession over their apples. it's just a computer. if someone wants to copy leopard onto their mac then that's them. don't e-murder them just because they're asking it. it's like, "oh noo! why would you ever not want to pay 120 bucks and just get it for free!!?" geez louise..

yeah, i'm sure people are going to go crazy over this post but i just had to say what i was thinking. reading this thread just seemed like some kind of high school obsession. they're just computers.. not air.
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I haven't criticized anybody for doing it - not because I don't think it's wrong but because I've done it myself in the past. Doesn't mean it's right, but I'm not going to play holier than thou about it.

However, I'm also not going to pretend it's not stealing so they can feel better about doing it. Because it is stealing.
 
I haven't read the license agreement that came with the OS, but I have read the agreement that came with MS Office and it does let a single USER install the software on more than one machine, which I think is a reasonable situation.

The argument that you don't pay for the software, but the license to use the software does seem to support, morally, a single user using it at separate times on multiple machines too.

At the end of the day it's a business decision by Apple, not a question of morals anyway, they're not in the business to make my life easier or to make the best computing experience, just to make themselves as much money as possible. So why not ask to be paid over and over again for essentially one product.
 
mpw said:
I haven't read the license agreement that came with the OS, but I have read the agreement that came with MS Office and it does let a single USER install the software on more than one machine, which I think is a reasonable situation.

The argument that you don't pay for the software, but the license to use the software does seem to support, morally, a single user using it at separate times on multiple machines too.
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However, apply this scenario to the operating system and you would not be able to boot both machines at once.
 
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