Why can't we resize window sizes as we wish ?

[saltyzoo]

I say Google should fix that problem. Mac developers should be aware by now that you can't resize a window from the title bar. You should think about what you're saying...

"Google Earth fudges up, Apple should fix it."

I'll take lower right corner resizing over hideous borders all around every window any day. I've never had a problem or felt I was suffering resizing this way. And I've used Windows plenty.

How is google supposed to know every computer on earth and how big they can make the screen?

There is NO excuse for the GUI to allow a window to be opened where the data cannot be seen and there is no way to resize the window so that it can be seen.

No excuse at all.

 

[dpaanlka]

How is google supposed to know every computer on earth and how big they can make the screen?

Google only makes Google Earth for three platforms - Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. It shouldn't be that hard for them to figure out what each system's GUI guidelines are. Making an app figure out what resolution the display is set to is one of the easiest and most basic things in the world to do. Many apps do it already. It isn't magic or some Apple secret.

And, just so you know, it's just as easy to write a Windows program that exceeds the size of your display. In fact, you can make it so big and position it in such a way that none of the borders are visible. Only a Google programmer would do that.

 

[saltyzoo]

Google only makes Google Earth for three platforms - Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. It shouldn't be that hard for them to figure out what each system's GUI guidelines are. Making an app figure out what resolution the display is set to is one of the easiest and most basic things in the world to do. Many apps do it already. It isn't magic or some Apple secret.

And, just so you know, it's just as easy to write a Windows program that exceeds the size of your display. In fact, you can make it so big that none of the borders are visible.

Yes, you can write a program to crash the OS too. That is not the point.

The point is that it is very easy for an application to open a window too large. It is ridiculous that there is NO WAY WHATSOEVER to fix this in OS X.

This happens to me all the time when I'm using an external display on my MBP. I open a window sized properly for the external, then close the app which saves the window size and placement. Then reopen the app later without the external display and I'm totally screwed.

There is simply no excuse for this. The argument that it would be "hard" to do is not accurate and even if it were that would be even worse. X11 has provided this ability for decades. To say that it would ruin the OS X experience is narrow minded at best.

 

[dpaanlka]

I guess our experiences differ. I have multiple displays of various size as well, and I don't ever seem to have this difficult or frustrating a time with it.

Perhaps that comes with years of experience using such a setup.

 

[saltyzoo]

I guess our experiences differ. I have multiple displays of various size as well, and I don't ever seem to have this difficult or frustrating a time with it.

Perhaps that comes with years of experience using such a setup.

It also depends on the applications you use. Since you like insults, maybe you aren't using any "real" applications.

Seriously though, I doubt you've been using windows GUI's any longer than I have, you'd have to work for XEROX many decades ago to accomplish that, so you can keep the air of superiority to yourself.

The fact is that not all applications ALWAYS behave exactly how you want them too. To not have a way to resolve that is not something that should be accepted.

To have to do 3 actions to accomplish what 1 would is also not something that should be accepted in a modern GUI that is as user friendly as OS X is.

 

[dpaanlka]

It also depends on the applications you use. Since you like insults, maybe you aren't using any "real" applications.

I'm not the one calling everyone a fanboy. Not that that's very insulting... or original. And for the record, I sit in CS3 apps pretty much all day long. I don't seem to have any problems.

You, on the other hand, are playing around with Google earth.

Seriously though, I doubt you've been using windows GUI's any longer than I have, you'd have to work for XEROX many decades ago to accomplish that, so you can keep the air of superiority to yourself.

You're the one who can't figure out how to use your computer in a satisfactory way, not me.

 

[phytonix]

"but others may consider it clutter"

dpaanlka, I followed your logic until I read this phrase. There will be no clutter
because there is NO extra button.

It is all about being productive and not stylish.

This feature is almost impossible without window border. Most windows in Mac do no have borders.

 

[saltyzoo]

I'm not the one calling everyone a fanboy. Not that that's very insulting... or original. And for the record, I sit in CS3 apps pretty much all day long. I don't seem to have any problems.

You, on the other hand, are playing around with Google earth.



You're the one who can't figure out how to use your computer in a satisfactory way, not me.

Ok, I can see that you only want to throw mud. I'm not the one that had the problem with Google earth. But considering you're someone that would prefer to do things the hard way, you don't have a lot of time to pay attention to who says what.

It's attitudes like yours that prevent improvement. Congratulations.

The fact is that not all applications ALWAYS behave exactly how you want them too. To not have a way to resolve that is not something that should be accepted.

To have to do 3 actions to accomplish what 1 would is also not something that should be accepted in a modern GUI that is as user friendly as OS X is.

 

[dejo]

For those of you who want more resizing options, use WindowDragon, as suggested by ahunter3.

For those of you who like it the way it is, do nothing.

I don't understand the continued bickering.

 

[Consultant]

Send apple your feedback. apple.com slash feedback

Edit: doh! see previous posting about the simple app.

 

[kuwisdelu]

...I just opened Google Earth and my window size was just fine...

 

[dpaanlka]

Ok, I can see that you only want to throw mud. I'm not the one that had the problem with Google earth. But considering you're someone that would prefer to do things the hard way, you don't have a lot of time to pay attention to who says what.

You still used Google Earth as an example, even if you quoted it from somebody else.

It's attitudes like yours that prevent improvement. Congratulations.

Yes I, the "fanboy" that doesn't use any "real" apps, is preventing Apple from doing your bidding.

 

[maxrobertson]

I sort of agree. The far left bottom corner should have a resize box there, but anywhere else and it would be annoying. Sure, it's convenient sometimes, but it's annoying a lot of the time. On Windows I'm always accidently resizing windows when I'm trying to drag them by the title bar. And the huge border looks like crap. Also, there would be no way to make the upper corners resizable without it being too close to the close and hide toolbar buttons.

 

[saltyzoo]

*sigh*

There are other ways to implement corner sizing than the current method used by OS X. X11 has at least 3 different methods, most of which are just as nice as OS X.

You shouldn't have to hack your OS to accomplish basic GUI tasks. It's adding all that "crap" that causes people so much grief when OS updates come out.

Implemented properly, nobody that likes it like it is today would even notice the difference.

 

[phytonix]

I sort of agree. The far left bottom corner should have a resize box there, but anywhere else and it would be annoying. Sure, it's convenient sometimes, but it's annoying a lot of the time. On Windows I'm always accidently resizing windows when I'm trying to drag them by the title bar. And the huge border looks like crap. Also, there would be no way to make the upper corners resizable without it being too close to the close and hide toolbar buttons.

Not only does Vista windows have huge borders, they are also blurry glasses that annoys the sh*t out of ya.

 

[phytonix]

Compare Mac and Vista... look at the borders and how cluttered Vista is.

 

[clevin]

which is more important to you guys?

looks? or functionality?

just nice looking? or just work?

 

[phytonix]

which is more important to you guys?

looks? or functionality?

just nice looking? or just work?

The problem is many people do not experience functionality limitations from this one corner resize. I personally don't feel the limitation either.

 

[saltyzoo]

which is more important to you guys?

looks? or functionality?

just nice looking? or just work?

I don't see any reason there has to be a compromise on this one. Really, does everyone think there is no way to resize a window without creating a "look" issue? I certainly don't.

 

[Consultant]

You asked for resize

Someone gave you the simple app that does it.

You now say, unless apple does it, it doesn't matter?


(Does windows defrag itself? No. You would say, oh third party app does it or I can do it manually so it's fine.) Guess what? OS X defrags itself without third party apps.

 

[phytonix]

I don't see any reason there has to be a compromise on this one. Really, does everyone think there is no way to resize a window without creating a "look" issue? I certainly don't.

There are a lot of issues there. Without a border, user have to put their mouse precisely at the border which is close to none on Mac OS X and then drag. This is very impractical. I think it was a pain to do so even with borders on Windows and Linux.

 

[dpaanlka]

The problem is many people do not experience functionality limitations from this one corner resize. I personally don't feel the limitation either.

++ Exactly my point.

I understand what some of you are saying, but I rarely, if ever, run into any issue where it is a problem for me. Certainly nowhere near enough or me to want big fat ugly Vista style window borders.

Compare Mac and Vista... look at the borders and how cluttered Vista is.

Best comparison yet. Vista - that is just so horrendous to me. I would never ever want that for the sake of being able to resize from every corner. Apple would have to either think of some other way, or just leave it the way it is.

 

[clevin]

You asked for resize

Someone gave you the simple app that does it.

You now say, unless apple does it, it doesn't matter?


(Does windows defrag itself? No. You would say, oh third party app does it or I can do it manually so it's fine.) Guess what? OS X defrags itself without third party apps.

legit complains should not be silenced with misplaced rules.

free AV app can solve virus problem for windows. do anybody here give up bashing windows for security?

The problem is many people do not experience functionality limitations from this one corner resize. I personally don't feel the limitation either.

the problem is:

do you think your personal feeling should prevail and kill other ppl's different opinion?

 

[dpaanlka]

legit complains should not be silenced with misplaced rules

True, but legit counter-points should not be silenced with fanboy dismissals.

 

[saltyzoo]

There are a lot of issues there. Without a border, user have to put their mouse precisely at the border which is close to none on Mac OS X and then drag. This is very impractical. I think it was a pain to do so even with borders on Windows and Linux.

So it's a pain, at least it would be possible. But there are other ways of doing it as well. Again I reference the methods X11 has employed for decades.

True, but legit counter-points should not be silenced with fanboy dismissals.

Man this can be frustrating. I'm saying we should both be able to get what we want. You're saying ONLY you should be happy.

There is most certainly a way to accomplish resizing a window without making the entire window ugly. It's NOT that complicated a task.

Simply allowing a drag on one pixel at the border would accomplish this. Sure, it would be hard to "find" the pixel, but at least it would be possible. Unlike the situation today.

Heck, make me do a three finger salute while searching for the border, I don't care. But there should be a way to do it.

To absolutely deny that it is a shortcoming is fanboyism. I truly apologize if that offends you, I do not intend offense. But making a 1 operation task a 3 operation task acceptable is fanboyism.