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Why can't we resize window sizes as we wish ?
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He hasn't said that at all.
Where'd you get your programming degree from?
I thought the idea was to make resizing easier?
How exactly does trying to find one particular pixel make anything easier?
No, "fanboys" are people who blindly provide support when there is no reason for such support. In this case, he's given you his reasons for it, you've given yours, and you still disagree.
There's nothing wrong with disagreement. You don't need name-calling in order to resolve issues (in fact, name-calling is likely to be the least productive avenue).
Yes he has. Your selective reading filter is on.
None of your business, but I do have a BS in Computer Science. I've also written a windows GUI. It's not that hard to resize a window.
I know you are making a point, but don't be dense. Having the ability to resize the window even if you have to work at finding the border is MUCH easier than taking the 3 steps currently necessary.I thought the idea was to make resizing easier?
How exactly does trying to find one particular pixel make anything easier?
I'm not name calling. That is not my intent. He has not provided any reason why a feature can't exist if it doesn't effect the look. He simply continues to say that we shouldn't want better features. I can't imagine what else that is if not fanyboyism. But again, I apologize if that is offensive, that is not my intent.
I don't disagree with him on look. I simply think we can have both. There's no reason why we can't. I've already provided 3 ways it can be easily done. (X11 method, small border method, and keyboard control key + mouse drag method)
PS> Thanks for ignoring my complaint and bashing me instead. Way to be objective
I never said I don't want it, nor that I did want it. I said I don't want it if if means thick borders - and I don't see any reasonable way to do it without thick Vista-ish borders.
Here is my July 2006 response to someone's one pixel border idea:
I didn't say in there that I don't want it - just that I don't see it being worthwhile, and can understand why Apple wouldn't bother.
Who brought this thread back from the grave anyway?
Here is my July 2006 response to someone's one pixel border idea:
I didn't say in there that I don't want it - just that I don't see it being worthwhile, and can understand why Apple wouldn't bother.
Who brought this thread back from the grave anyway?
I'll need a direct quote. I don't accept "that's what he meant" interpretations when you make such blanket statements.
How much work would it require to make the window options toggle? (this is a genuine question)
How much extra work/complexity to make it an option in System Prefs?
Finding the border is easier than knowing where it is?
Sorry, I'm just not following how this is "easier." In Windows resizing is expedient because the border is everywhere. There's no guessing involved.
He hasn't said that at all. He's saying he doesn't agree with your assessment that it's a "better" feature.
I don't recall bashing you. I also don't recall ignoring your complaint.
And, no, I'm not objective. I have an opinion.
But I'm trying to be as fair as possible and I also don't like throwing around senseless labels.
We can have a discussion about things without being venomous (and if we can't, then the mods will disagree
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Good. So we all agree that Apple should figure out a good way to do this to make OS X even better than it already is.
I'm not a hater, you can find plenty of threads on this forum where I'm arguing for Apple. But this is a simple thing that I know they are more than capable of fixing.
And there are people for whom this is a constant hassle due to the issue I've already mentioned ad nauseum.
But more than that, why not find a clever way to get rid of a complaint that switchers have? It's good for all of us.
I have never said "OS X" sucks because of this problem. I simply think it is a pretty glaring item that all switchers notice, and it is often a PITA for me personally when switching on external monitor and back. I love OS X. I want it to be better.
Well I don't accept that qualifier. We shouldn't fix something simply because switchers don't like it (otherwise, OS X would just morph into Windows).
We should focus on things that require genuine attention.
But you do so well interpreting what I'm saying.
Neither has anything to do with any of my suggestions.
You clearly don't understand the problem I've described, or my suggested solutions.Finding the border is easier than knowing where it is?
Sorry, I'm just not following how this is "easier." In Windows resizing is expedient because the border is everywhere. There's no guessing involved.
He hasn't said that at all. He's saying he doesn't agree with your assessment that it's a "better" feature.IMO, you should read the whole thread before commenting on specifics.
Yeah. right. just coincidence you showing up at just that moment I suppose.
Unless you agree with them, then it's ok.
We can have a discussion about things without being venomous (and if we can't, then the mods will disagree
I'll need an interpreter for that one.
making user happy require genuine attention.
are you discriminate against switcher? if so, don't ask ppl to switch
And what I don't care for is someone referring to me and using the terms fanatic, arrogant, moronic, and disliking my "attitude" when they have no ability to perceive it. In the future, please avoid the ad hominem commentary. It tends to debase the value of the discussion, and can lead to no good end. The final comments are tongue-in-cheek (note the
Where did I say I was an Apple "fan?" I didn't, I'm an Apple user, and a Windows user, and an HP-UX user, and on & on. I've learned a long time ago (read my post again) that OS developers are going to do what they're going to do. Your individual perception (or that of a few dozen forum readers) of "easy" is not of interest to them. That's not arrogance, either, and either you should already know that and are being disingenuous, or you need to learn about mass-market product development.
What you call logic is again just perception & preference. Obviously, a lot of well-paid developers & human interface engineers in Cupertino disagree. There's a lot I would prefer my OS do "better", but I am also aware that it's just that-- preference. I have three choices: Piss & moan, move to another OS, or just adapt to it and get on with my work. I choose adapt.
Welcome to MR!
Lol...I love this spin. 2 steps is shorter than 3 steps is not black and white logic is "perception and preference".
Man I learn something new everyday. The Apple users/fans whatever they are called can accept just an option. They dont have to use it.
I have adapted to a less logical way in some cases, or I would not have my Mac and I would not be in this forum.
Can you rephrase this please. I have no idea what the message you are trying to convey is.
Again, no I don't agree that Apple *should* do this... only that if they do, I don't care so long as it doesn't add borders.
I don't care whether or not they actually do it, and I don't see it as being as big an issue as some are making it out to be.
And changing something for the sake of comforting Windows converts is usually the last reason I want to hear.
You won't be satisfied until there is a Start Menu and a Task Bar, will you... and please speak english.
Good Lord. Please read the thread. I only added that as an addition to my main concerns.
Though I would like to see Mac windows resizable via all edges, I would have to agree with CalBoy. It shouldn't be done just to satisfy the PC user - which I am one of. Though, I would like to see two pad buttons
Pleeease I know, it's off topic!I don't think it has anything to do with discriminating against the switcher. The point of "switching" is that it's just that: a switch. OS X is NOT "MS Windows without viruses" or "MS Windows without crashes" or anything like that. It's OS X. It's a completely different operating system that must be learned to be used in its own right, and changing everything just to accommodate people who are used to Windows is silly. I used to be used to Windows, too, but then I learned Mac's way of doing things, and found it much more suited to my style. If someone prefers Windows' way of doing things, then they should use Windows and accept all of the other "features" it entails. It's really that simple.
Actually, it depends how long those steps are. I'm not an apologist or anything, just a lowly user, but 99% of the time I'm in Windows or Ubuntu and I'm resizing a window, I go for the lower right hand corner, because that's what I want to resize. It takes me several seconds longer to get my cursor right where it needs to be to get that "resize" cursor icon to show up. Then I resize it, and THEN I move it where I want. This is faster in OS X for me because the resize area is easier to find. For me, it makes the most sense to have a lower corner resize, because I will always want to move the window first, before resizing it, so it's where I want to be. After moving the window, I THEN resize it, because 99% of the time, even if I could just resize it from a different corner, I'd have to move the window anyway because--it may be the right size--but that's not where I want it.
So for me, the Mac way is indeed faster, and I would be doing that extra step on any other operating system, anyway, to move the window where I want it after I resize it. I understand maybe not everyone works that way, and maybe other people can just resize and be happy, but usually I want to move the window afterward anyway, no matter what corner I can resize it from, to a place more appropriate for its new size on my screen. OS X makes this easier on me because the resize corner is the easiest to find (I have trouble placing my mouse correctly on the border--big and ugly as they are they're still hard to find with my mouse for me--in Windows).
All that said, I really couldn't care less if Apple implemented the ability to resize from anywhere. As long as I can turn it off so I don't start accidentally resizing everything when my mouse is too near a border. And most importantly, AS LONG AS WE DON'T GET UGLY RESIZE BORDERS. That's really all I care about. If I can turn it off, and the aesthetics are maintained, I don't care. Go ahead, Apple, put it in for those who want it. I won't use it. It doesn't make anything easier for me. That's my point. It's not necessarily better, it's just different. But if Apple can implement it for those whom it's easier for, without sacrificing any aesthetics, and without impeding my normal working style, then that's fine with me. I couldn't care less. Go ahead. I hope you get your feature. Just leave me with mine
I have this problem all of the time. Most of my day my Macbook is plugged into a 22inch screen with a 1680x1050 resolution at my desk. I have the lid of my Macbook closed so I only use the one screen.
At night I will use my Macbook sitting at the couch or kitchen table. If I had an app...pretty much any app say Mail, opened up bigger than 1280x800 or whatever the res is for my Macbook screen then I have to drag its controls into view (green button or lower right hand corner). The green button for some apps will maximize to the new screen resolution. Being able to resize from any edge would be great, or better yet have the OS automatically resize the apps.
Sadly even Vista will do this, and will resize all apps into the new screen size.
I guess this one of those "preferences" Apple faithful love to defend. Its plain stupid and lame. Apple of all OS makers with their "it just works" should have had this feature years ago.
In Windows, even Vista you can change the "border padding" thickness to be very thin. Its an option....what a concept.
At least you are open to an option unlike many Apple faithful. I just would like the option and many more.
cut/paste would be nice. Its available in every other OS I have used, and NO ONE can argue that copy/paste/go_back_and_delete is NOT more steps than cut/paste. It could be an option or just on all the time and those who want to take the three step process could. Heck CUT is in Finder's Edit menu but it does not work. Some hack I found turn it on but it deletes files???
Safari....how about a bookmark SORT option for the love of God??? How about an OPTION...yes OPTION to single click the URL or Search bar and highlight all of the text, like every other Mac/Win/Linux browser out there. It would save me a ton of time.
There already is this option with the URL in Safari: Just click the little icon that appears before the URL and the entire URL is highlighted. Something for the Search bar would be nice too, though.
As for this whole thread, can't we just file this under a forum for "religious" disagreements, which include cut/paste in Finder, two button mice/trackpads, and evolution/intelligent-design?
I'd like to try approaching this question in another way, by comparing a Finder window mockup I made with a layout in a design application. I purposely made them match to illustrate what I'm talking about.
My Finder windows
Suppose I have the desktop shown below and I want to see the whole width of the Apple ad. I could drag the window to the left, guessing how far to drag it, then resize it back to the right. That's not hard, but it's two steps instead of one, and not as accurate as leaving the right edge where it is, which is just where I want it. It would be an additional convenience (one I've asked Apple for) if I could do this a simpler way.
The same thing applies to the TextEdit window, where I'd like to drag the top edge up so I can type more comments in the critique I'm writing for my Advertising class.
I've been doing these things the two-step way for years, but I'd like to know if the great minds at Apple, who invented Exposé and Spaces, can give me yet another way to adjust my Finder windows.
My design document
Suppose I'm creating a graphics document and moving rounded rectangles around as I design my fantastic new AppleAdAnalysis.com website.
As I resize these objects, you wouldn't expect me to resize them from only the bottom right corner. Instead, I select objects and drag their sides or corners by their handles.
I think that the two cases (Finder vs. design document) present similar situations, that my resizing activities are similar in the two cases, and that having the same convenience in both cases would be worthwhile.
How to do it
Earlier in the thread I proposed one way I thought Apple could provide this, with a "width" cursor when you hover near a window's edge. Perhaps that's not the way to go about, and I'll be glad to bow to superior interface designers. I think it's appropriate to look for solutions that are unobtrusive, or even invisible, to users who aren't interested in the feature, but convenient for people like me.
Could the Finder let you double-click the resize handle (an action that's otherwise meaningless) to toggle on/off resize handles on the sides and corners of a window? That would be equivalent to selecting and deselecting an object in my design program.
Could a new Mac OS X feature, in the Exposé/Spaces family, put you in a window-resizing mode where you can grab and resize edges and corners?
Is there a reasonable way to let users resize windows other than by dragging certain edges or corners?
Should I be able to rotate a window 180 degrees (putting the resize corner in the top left), resize it from that corner, and then rotate it back?
What other choices might there be?
My Finder windows
Suppose I have the desktop shown below and I want to see the whole width of the Apple ad. I could drag the window to the left, guessing how far to drag it, then resize it back to the right. That's not hard, but it's two steps instead of one, and not as accurate as leaving the right edge where it is, which is just where I want it. It would be an additional convenience (one I've asked Apple for) if I could do this a simpler way.
The same thing applies to the TextEdit window, where I'd like to drag the top edge up so I can type more comments in the critique I'm writing for my Advertising class.
I've been doing these things the two-step way for years, but I'd like to know if the great minds at Apple, who invented Exposé and Spaces, can give me yet another way to adjust my Finder windows.
My design document
Suppose I'm creating a graphics document and moving rounded rectangles around as I design my fantastic new AppleAdAnalysis.com website.
As I resize these objects, you wouldn't expect me to resize them from only the bottom right corner. Instead, I select objects and drag their sides or corners by their handles.
I think that the two cases (Finder vs. design document) present similar situations, that my resizing activities are similar in the two cases, and that having the same convenience in both cases would be worthwhile.
How to do it
Earlier in the thread I proposed one way I thought Apple could provide this, with a "width" cursor when you hover near a window's edge. Perhaps that's not the way to go about, and I'll be glad to bow to superior interface designers. I think it's appropriate to look for solutions that are unobtrusive, or even invisible, to users who aren't interested in the feature, but convenient for people like me.
Could the Finder let you double-click the resize handle (an action that's otherwise meaningless) to toggle on/off resize handles on the sides and corners of a window? That would be equivalent to selecting and deselecting an object in my design program.
Could a new Mac OS X feature, in the Exposé/Spaces family, put you in a window-resizing mode where you can grab and resize edges and corners?
Is there a reasonable way to let users resize windows other than by dragging certain edges or corners?
Should I be able to rotate a window 180 degrees (putting the resize corner in the top left), resize it from that corner, and then rotate it back?
What other choices might there be?
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resize without green button
right now I have an oversized window on my screen, with right-lower corner outside of the screen and green button turned grey, so it doesn't do anything. can I make this window normal size? as far as I understand, I can only close it, that's all. now, as a user interface, this kind of behavior officially sucks, whether you like Mac or not. if I could at least do resize from some upper corner ...
right now I have an oversized window on my screen, with right-lower corner outside of the screen and green button turned grey, so it doesn't do anything. can I make this window normal size? as far as I understand, I can only close it, that's all. now, as a user interface, this kind of behavior officially sucks, whether you like Mac or not.
if I could at least do resize from some upper corner ...
right now I have an oversized window on my screen, with right-lower corner outside of the screen and green button turned grey, so it doesn't do anything. can I make this window normal size? as far as I understand, I can only close it, that's all. now, as a user interface, this kind of behavior officially sucks, whether you like Mac or not.
can you post a screen shot?
somebody gonna accuse me again, but in windows and linux you can move window without holding title bar and the window can be moved above the top of the screen. Anyway you can do that in OSX?
I think apple should release two separate Macs and see which ones sell better...
system 1:
two button mouse with right-click enabled by default
cut/paste would be functional in the finder
a real, hierarchical list view in finder with lots of sorting and column options (details view from vista) instead of the current, useless "column" view in OS X
resizable windows from more than one corner. Any other corner will do. Maybe top-right where the menu bar is, but nothing happens?
system 2:
one button mouse with no option to right-click
no cut/paste, as it is currently.
column view as it is with no changes
windows with one resize point at the bottom.
let people try both at the apple store. most people wouldn't care.
those that do, though...i bet system 1 would win out.
system 1:
two button mouse with right-click enabled by default
cut/paste would be functional in the finder
a real, hierarchical list view in finder with lots of sorting and column options (details view from vista) instead of the current, useless "column" view in OS X
resizable windows from more than one corner. Any other corner will do. Maybe top-right where the menu bar is, but nothing happens?
system 2:
one button mouse with no option to right-click
no cut/paste, as it is currently.
column view as it is with no changes
windows with one resize point at the bottom.
let people try both at the apple store. most people wouldn't care.
those that do, though...i bet system 1 would win out.
Of course it would - most people that go into the stores would already be used to that PC-style stuff.