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Why did Apple omit Rosetta?
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Wow. Appleworks was EOL'd back in 2007. You've been running an increasing business risk since that point. Keeping on such an old product really isn't a sensible option.
How many tables are there in your database? 450 main records sounds trivially small. A competent Filemaker contractor should be able to migrate it in a day or two.
It's going to cost you money to bring it up to date. IT spend is a cost of doing business, and you're spent zero in the last 4 years. How much did you spend on maintaining your car(s) in that time?
Snow Leopard is hardly ancient.. its only 2 years old and I promise it will be in use by many users for years. I am willing to bet money that there is a 10.6.9, and at the very least security updates will still be made.
With the amount of changes that Lion has forced upon people, allowing Snow Loepard on their new machines SHOULD be allowed by Apple, and honestly would make sense. The geniuses at the apple store are getting tired of trying to fix Lion's problms (I know a few, theres nothing they can do, and they know its Lion) and that would be an option for them and their customers. I personally didn't buy the new air even though I want it because it can't run Snow Leopard, and I won't run Lion. I had enough o that crap and was so relieved when I returned to Snow Leopard.
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It will if the current state of Lion is any indication. Sure they will eventually fix the bugs, but I'm talking about its implementation.
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Rosetta was an optional install. I'm sure it was kernel level and I doubt that much changed with Lion that it would have required much work. It didn't have anything to do with drivers or hardware.
There is no way that Apple is going to test Snow Leopard on new systems. It's hard enough to test one major OS release reasonably well. You are showing your ignorance here.
Rosetta is not simple to test on new major OS releases. Apple made all of this very clear...stop whining!
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Hard drive space doesn't matter much, its internet bandwidth that does. People are more likely to buy Lion if its a conviant size to download. If it was 10GB instead of 3GB Apple would lose sales.
Even the 3gb is a hassle in some countries where monopolies or duopolies exist in the broadband internet market.
Proof?
Canada.
Come up north and see for yourself. Base package from one of two main providers (both of which completely control the entire market):
Bell Internet
2mbit Connection
2gb Monthly Download Cap
36.95/month (less if you have any of their other services)
Click Here For Details
Costs per gigabyte from Bell when going over the bandwidth limit? $2.50 per gigabyte.
The next best plan?
6mbit
25gb Monthly Download Cap
$46.95/month
$2.50 overage charge per gigabyte.
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You're using an application that hasn't been in development for almost 5 years (and wasn't developed heavily before that)! What did you expect to happen, for it to continue working indefinitely?
You should have switched when it was discontinued. I can see using a discontinued product for personal use, but it's not at all smart to do so for professional use. It would have been easy back when it was discontinued as there were all manner of convertors to Office formats. Now it's harder.
Copy/paste is your friend at this point. Will that take forever? Most certainly. But that's your fault, not Apple's.
Even the 3gb is a hassle in some countries where monopolies or duopolies exist in the broadband internet market.
Proof?
Canada.
Come up north and see for yourself. Base package from one of two main providers (both of which completely control the entire market):
Bell Internet
2mbit Connection
2gb Monthly Download Cap
36.95/month (less if you have any of their other services)
Click Here For Details
Costs per gigabyte from Bell when going over the bandwidth limit? $2.50 per gigabyte.
The next best plan?
6mbit
25gb Monthly Download Cap
$46.95/month
$2.50 overage charge per gigabyte.
Tell me about it. Its not much better here in New Zealand. I've got 30GB of internet a month, but thats just a special deal from Vodafone since we've got a landline and premium satellite TV with them. Most people here have 10-20GB plans, and a lot of people have 3-5GB plans
Really? I think you are the one being ignorant here. Snow Leopard was Apple's latest OS until a couple months ago and you don't think they could easily make it work with their new machines? They don't because they don't want to, because it doesn't fit their agenda, not because of any technical limitation. People have already gotten Snow Lepard to be somewhat function on some of the new machines from copy over drivers from Snow Leopard, they didn't change the kernel that much, and thats the only part that talks directly to the hardware and the only thing they would have to worry about.
And no I'm not whining. I personally have no use for Rosetta. I just don't like Apple's our way or the highway approach to things like this, and I am obviously not alone.
One of Jobs' greatest talents was his ability to see further than most competitors on the directions technology was headed in. When he announced the transition to Intel processors in 2005, he revealed that every version of OS X had been secretly tested to be able to boot into Intel hardware -- five years before the transition was even announced, and six years before it was complete -- to maintain the portability of the code. Portions of OS X are also running on other chip architectures as well under the name iOS, including Apple's own ARM-based A4 and A5 chips.
Does that sound like the company would have problems testing their 2 year old os on new hardware... seriously?!? who is ignorant now?
I spent most of this week with my wife at Kaiser Permanente, not far from where Apple wants it's new HQ. Every machine I saw is still running XP Pro. Do you have any idea what our healthcare costs would be if they had to upgrade every computer? At my wife's work they're running a mix of dumb terminals and Windows boxes running Windows 2000 Pro and XP Pro, same thing the cost to upgrade would be prohibitive.
I spent most of this week with my wife at Kaiser Permanente, not far from where Apple wants it's new HQ. Every machine I saw is still running XP Pro. Do you have any idea what our healthcare costs would be if they had to upgrade every computer? At my wife's work they're running a mix of dumb terminals and Windows boxes running Windows 2000 Pro and XP Pro, same thing the cost to upgrade would be prohibitive.
That was my point. If a computer in a Windows enterprise system has to be replaced with a new one, then the new computer WILL run the old software. With the fanboys screaming "the software should be updated" if an old Mac has to be replaced for any reason it will not NOW run the software on the network. Hence, why Macs will never be considered for SERIOUS business applications.
The fact that you're not alone in this regard merely proves that there are still way to many people that do not understand how difficult it is to maintain 2 very different technical platforms side by side with feature parity.
I always read about how Apple products could never be suited for serious business applications; I ask you: what are serious business applications? Apps which take a very long time to evolve, which are very costly to maintain, which have very little integrity?
It's not Apple's job to provide a crutch for the 20th century sloths in the IT industry; the IT industry as a whole needs to kick it up a gear and drop its reliance on legacy crap.
Looks like you're SOL then, doesn't it?
No, Apple is SOL. It took me 9 years to get a new Mac because Apple never offered a Cube replacement and I only did it because it was the last chance to get a 15" with ExpressCard and removable battery.
Now with built-in battery, no ExpressCard in the compact models, and no Rosetta, a new Mac will be a last resort.
These seem like quite disparate needs to me. The Cube was never very powerful or expandable, so in the first example expandability isn't an issue. Now all of the sudden you need that expandability...
I don't need a laptop. I needed a new Mac, so I got the one with ExpressCard in case I ever needed a laptop.
A Cube replacement with one free PCIExpress slot for expansion would be better, but I don't need a Mac Pro overkill.
You know that Thunderbolt is a superior replacement for ExpressCard right? And with more expansion capability?
What do you need Rosetta for anyway?
Exactly. Right now, the MacBook Air has more expandability than the Cube did. We're still waiting for Thunderbolt products to permeate the market, though.
Thunderbolt is not a replacement for ExpressCard. I don't want dangling stuff.
I need Rosetta for some programs which are not updated anymore.
technically it is since they're both PCI
yet you're going to hang "dangling" stuff from your express card..