Functionally, it's not a replacement, because there is a real difference in dangling.
It is even worse than the difference between a 3G USB stick and a 3G ExpressCard.
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Why did Apple omit Rosetta?
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Functionally, it's not a replacement, because there is a real difference in dangling.
It is even worse than the difference between a 3G USB stick and a 3G ExpressCard.
GermanyChris
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Except thunderbolt is faster and in the end will do more..very much unlike the 3g usb stick and 3g express card..
Currently express cards are the best out there, in 18 to 24 months they'll be forgotten.
It doesn't matter if Thunderbolt is faster. ExpressCard will be enough for most things for a long time.
And then, there will be new standards, like ExpressCard 2.0
And then, there will be new standards, like ExpressCard 2.0
Icy1007
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Apple removed Rosetta because they wanted to. Apple owns the platform and they can change anything they please.
Apple removed Rosetta because they wanted to. Apple owns the platform and they can change anything they please.
GermanyChris
macrumors 601
Still slower and still need to hang a "dangling thing" from it..
Express card will be enough for "your" things for a long time not necessarily most things.
Express cards are/were great but thunder bolt is better 1 port multiple uses and dongles are cheaper than cards.
You're mistaken. The whole point of ExpressCard today is to avoid dangling.
Only SSDs, 10GbE and disk arrays will profit from Thunderbolt in the foreseeable future.
GermanyChris
macrumors 601
So you plug your express card into the computer then don't attach anything to it? No external storage, no extra ethernet, anything?
Is your express card storage?
And SSD's are a quarter of the price they were in 2008. So by 2013 5+ disk SSD RAID arrays will be feasible for mere mortals
If you put a 3G card, that's it. If you put a card reader, that's it. If you put an USB 3.0 or eSATA card, you don't have to dangle an adapter before going to the device.
When SSDs get cheaper, they will be too small again.
Removing Rosetta is not only about cutting support costs.
Apple is all about the user experience. If Apple continued offering PPC support for another 10 years, you can bet that in 10 years there'd still be PPC apps being updated for Mac, using 15 year old base code. Developers are sometimes really lazy and they need a wake up call to get their apps to date. And removing Rosetta is exactly that.
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Thunderbolt is a PCI-Express bus extension. You can add RAM to your machine using Thunderbolt. You can add external GPU's, or even CPU's. It's not a simple I/O.
So no, there are tons of things one can do with Thunderbolt which are impossible via USB or Firewire or any other I/O.
Apple is all about the user experience. If Apple continued offering PPC support for another 10 years, you can bet that in 10 years there'd still be PPC apps being updated for Mac, using 15 year old base code. Developers are sometimes really lazy and they need a wake up call to get their apps to date. And removing Rosetta is exactly that.
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Thunderbolt is a PCI-Express bus extension. You can add RAM to your machine using Thunderbolt. You can add external GPU's, or even CPU's. It's not a simple I/O.
So no, there are tons of things one can do with Thunderbolt which are impossible via USB or Firewire or any other I/O.
GermanyChris
macrumors 601
For a 3g card or memory card reader no dangle you're correct..but for everything else you mentioned the is dangle without the dongle :0)
I don't think Thunderbolt was really meant for "large storage" I don't need to keep backups on my FW drive I keep them on USB drive because access speeds aren't important. FW and Thunderbolt are meant for "working" drives. I imagine if you'd put 4 256gb SATA 3 SSD drives in 5 or 0 you have enough really fast storage for a single project. I think Thunderbolt for the home user will be more for docking and opening storage options, FW 800 is fast enough for me and most probably most consumers. Thunderbolt means expandability just like express cards do, just in a different manner.
The thing with Thunderbolt that some seems not to understand is that it can virtually speak any "language". It can be used to transmit data in any protocol (USB, Firewire, Ethernet, Expresscard, SATA, etc.)
Basically Thunderbolt have the potential of really being universal, its the ultimate "do-it-all" I/O port. We need to embrace it today so that tomorrow these debates will be behind us.
Basically Thunderbolt have the potential of really being universal, its the ultimate "do-it-all" I/O port. We need to embrace it today so that tomorrow these debates will be behind us.
It's not necessarily about what is currently available but what is possible. The point is that those things could be done via Thunderbolt and they can't be done via other I/O solutions.
GermanyChris
macrumors 601
all of a sudden I think I'll go with cube he makes more sense..
Fastest SSD (OCZ Z) = 1400 MBps
DDR3-2500 = 20,000 MBps
TB is in essence a 4x PCI-E slot if that puts things in perspective.
Fastest SSD (OCZ Z) = 1400 MBps
DDR3-2500 = 20,000 MBps
TB is in essence a 4x PCI-E slot if that puts things in perspective.
I'm just wondering: was iBug2 down voted again because he spoke out against Rosetta or because of the second part of his post? 😛
Im replying to this whole Mishbucha! (yiddish for crazy thing)
So apple carrys ppc programs for a period of 6 years (maybe more, i don't really know my apple history that well😀) and throughout that whole period when not a single ppc program is made, they keep it. now here's when the big thing that really tics me off comes in. WHY WOULD APPLE WAIT 6 OR MORE YEARS WITH PPC SOFTWARE WHILE NONE OF THE GAMES/APPS ARE MADE WITH PPC SOFTWARE AND YET, APPLE DOESN'T DROP IT AT SNOW LEOPARD OR EARLIER, BUT AT LION!😡 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENCE AND YET IM SITTING HERE WITH MY MACBOOK PRO 13 IN WITH FIVE PPC SOFTWARE REQUIRED PRODUCTS THAT I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO AND NOW WONT WORK! I MEAN I GET SOME OF THE THINGS APPLE HAS GOTTEN RID OF IN THE PAST BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY? WHY DID APPLE REMOVE PPC SOFTWARE?😕😡
So apple carrys ppc programs for a period of 6 years (maybe more, i don't really know my apple history that well😀) and throughout that whole period when not a single ppc program is made, they keep it. now here's when the big thing that really tics me off comes in. WHY WOULD APPLE WAIT 6 OR MORE YEARS WITH PPC SOFTWARE WHILE NONE OF THE GAMES/APPS ARE MADE WITH PPC SOFTWARE AND YET, APPLE DOESN'T DROP IT AT SNOW LEOPARD OR EARLIER, BUT AT LION!😡 IT DOESN'T MAKE SENCE AND YET IM SITTING HERE WITH MY MACBOOK PRO 13 IN WITH FIVE PPC SOFTWARE REQUIRED PRODUCTS THAT I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO AND NOW WONT WORK! I MEAN I GET SOME OF THE THINGS APPLE HAS GOTTEN RID OF IN THE PAST BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY? WHY DID APPLE REMOVE PPC SOFTWARE?😕😡
fisherking
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app makers just need to upgrade and adapt, the world keeps moving FORWARD (not backward; altho, outside of tech, am not sure it isn't in fact moving backward... )