iPad Pro Why did you wait to buy the iPad Pro?

[macguy360]

Wrong, it DOES charge fine when on 100% brightness and in use. I was using it like this last night, maybe you should go buy one and see for yourself rather than spread internet gossip like an old fisherwoman.

HAHA! Thanks for the laugh. I love to hear the rantings of the senile Apple defenders as they vehemently defend falsities even when faced with facts. Here you go straight from the fisherwoman...

http://anandtech.com/show/9766/the-apple-ipad-pro-review/7

Apparently a 5 hour charge time is just fine for you and the fact that Anandtech even states "The charger also definitely isn’t enough to ensure that you’re always charging the iPad Pro while in use either if the SoC is in overdrive/turbo states as thermally constrained power draw is already around 9-10W."

I love Apple products, but I don't just buy everything they sell. I buy what I consider to be the quality products that are worth it price/value wise and a device that takes 5 hours to fully charge and won't even charge if being used on full brightness with any sort of heavy usage. They should have made the iPad Pro a usb C device. They could have had a similar 45 minute 90% charge time like on the retina macbook. Even Anandtech questions why Apple chose to limit the pro to lightning cable with 12 watt charging.

 

[Marshall73]

HAHA! Thanks for the laugh. I love to hear the rantings of the senile Apple defenders as they vehemently defend falsities even when faced with facts. Here you go straight from the fisherwoman...

http://anandtech.com/show/9766/the-apple-ipad-pro-review/7

Apparently a 5 hour charge time is just fine for you and the fact that Anandtech even states "The charger also definitely isn’t enough to ensure that you’re always charging the iPad Pro while in use either if the SoC is in overdrive/turbo states as thermally constrained power draw is already around 9-10W."

I love Apple products, but I don't just buy everything they sell. I buy what I consider to be the quality products that are worth it price/value wise and a device that takes 5 hours to fully charge and won't even charge if being used on full brightness with any sort of heavy usage. They should have made the iPad Pro a usb C device. They could have had a similar 45 minute 90% charge time like on the retina macbook. Even Anandtech questions why Apple chose to limit the pro to lightning cable with 12 watt charging.

Dunno how to get the SoC into overdrive but streaming a 1080p movie from my server via 4G with 100% brightness and volume and it still charges fine. Same if I'm in procreate. Would be nice if they told you how they drove the CPU at full bore or whether that was theoretical.

In reality, watching a video in pip whilst using other apps at full brightness and it still charges.

 

[masotime]

The slow charging is definitely an issue. Ideally the iPad Pro would charge with a similar 29W power charger as the retina Macbook does, given that the battery capacities are very similar.

It's not a game breaker, but it is annoying. The iPad Pro is essentially a first generation device of its kind though, so I'd expect the iPad Pro 2 to mitigate this issue.

Somewhat tangential, but I'd prefer if Apple would switch to the USB-C connector to support a universal connector across all devices (not just within the Apple ecosystem), but I think that would anger a lot of people who have invested heavily in the lightning connector....

 

[Badrottie]

I choose not to buy an iPad Pro for several reasons....
Siri doesn't understand sign languages
Lack of 8 cores CPU
Doesn't have 4GB ram
Apps are not ready for iPP
iPP does not kill popular Microsoft Surface Pro 4

That is all I can say right now

 

[macguy360]

Dunno how to get the SoC into overdrive but streaming a 1080p movie from my server via 4G with 100% brightness and volume and it still charges fine. Same if I'm in procreate. Would be nice if they told you how they drove the CPU at full bore or whether that was theoretical.

In reality, watching a video in pip whilst using other apps at full brightness and it still charges.

Streaming a movie and using procreate are hardly resource hogs on the iPad pro. To use more resources on the iPad Pro you would have to be editing video, converting/compiling files, or doing some gaming. But that is besides the point.

You failed to read the part by Anandtech that the iPad Pro uses 9-10w under general usage. Considering the charger is a 12w charger your looking at 2-3w of charging when the iPad Pro is in use PERIOD.

While you may be seeing "charging" while you use your iPad, the amount of time it would take to fully charge the iPad while in use would be something ludicrous like ~8+ hours making the iPad Pro hardly a portable device if you find yourself low on power.

 

[Night Spring]

... the amount of time it would take to fully charge the iPad while in use would be something ludicrous like ~8+ hours making the iPad Pro hardly a portable device if you find yourself low on power

If you charge the iPP overnight while you sleep, you won't run into this problem. What kind of lifestyle do you live that charging your devices overnight presents a challenge?

 

[macguy360]

If you charge the iPP overnight while you sleep, you won't run into this problem. What kind of lifestyle do you live that charging your devices overnight presents a challenge?

Your problem is your putting the burden on the customer for a fault by the developer. Because Apple poorly designed the charging system for the iPad Pro, it is the customer that now has to charge the device over night to have the iPad Pro ready to be used the next day.

I have owned numerous laptops and iPads over the years and the last thing I have ever thought about was whether I needed to put them on the charger at the end of the day so that I would be able to use them the next day. My 2015 retina macbook pro has a 10 hour battery and I charge it when its low on power and it usually takes about 2 hours to charge. It also charges fast while I am using it and the act of charging it isn't an inconvenience. My iPad Air 2 also has a 10 hour battery and I charge it when it runs out, but again it only takes a few hours to charge. I could charge it while I use it, but it completely eliminates the mobility of the iPad Air 2 and I find the charge time to be very reasonable so I don't mind putting it on the charger for a couple hours to use not much later. Consider the typical 9-5 person gets home and their iPad Air 2 is dead, they can put it on the charger at 6pm and still be able to use it by 6:45pm for the rest of the night. Now that same person gets home and finds their iPad Pro dead, they will need to charge it significantly longer to have a reasonable charge.

With my Apple watch and iPhone, I have to usually put them on the charger at the end of the day so I know I have a full day of power the next day. The last thing I want is a gaggle of Apple devices that I have to remember to charge every evening. Your lifestyle may differ, but your defending Apple when your facts are wrong and Apple made a bad decision on the charging system.

 

[Night Spring]

I have owned numerous laptops and iPads over the years and the last thing I have ever thought about was whether I needed to put them on the charger at the end of the day so that I would be able to use them the next day.

I think you and I have very different habits. I plug in all my devices at the end of the day -- it's become so automatic I don't even think about it. Also, it's been only in the last four or five years that MacBooks got 10-hour battery life. My MBA which I believe I bought in 2010 has much less battery life than that. I basically have to check it each time I go out or it wouldn't last me a day.

I do understand that the battery situation with the iPad Pro isn't ideal, but I just don't see it as such a big deal as you and others are making it out to be.

 

[Zwhaler]

I thought the whole reasoning behind calling these screens "retina" displays was that the human retina cannot differentiate between pixels once the pixels are this small and close together. So if that is the case, then what is the point of having a higher resolution? Your eyes cannot see the difference, and all it will do is put more stress on your video processor which will cause the iPad to run slower and the battery will run down faster.

It's not the case.

 

[macguy360]

Also, it's been only in the last four or five years that MacBooks got 10-hour battery life. My MBA which I believe I bought in 2010 has much less battery life than that. I basically have to check it each time I go out or it wouldn't last me a day.

Exactly! We have had progression of technology that has allowed computers and tablets to last 10+ hours and with that we have had technology that allows us to charge those devices in 45min (retina macbook 95% charge) to 3 hours (retina macbook pro, iPad Air 2).

The iPad Pro has taken a step backward in charging time and that is considered a negative factor by Anandtech in their review and many people have voiced their concern on these forums about the charging issue. It is 2016 and we have laptops and tablets that have charge to use ratios of 1 to 3.5 all the way to 1 to 6 where 1 hour of charging provides anywhere from 3.5 to 6 hours of usage. Then Apple releases the iPad Pro and drops the ratio back to a 1 to 2 where you need to charge the device for 5 hours to give you 10 hours of use which is unacceptable given the current state of charging technology for all the other laptops and tablets made by Apple!

The difference between reasonable people and die hard fanboys is that reasonable people will acknowledge this fault of Apple while die hard fanboys will vehemently defend Apple and even blame the customers for not having a "lifestyle" conducive to using this device as if we all have 5 hours to sit around waiting for our device to charge or we all should be putting our devices on chargers every night before bed. I live in the real world where I've got other stuff to do besides worry about having tons of devices plugged in and charging each night.

 

[Night Spring]

The difference between reasonable people and die hard fanboys is that reasonable people will acknowledge this fault of Apple while die hard fanboys will vehemently defend Apple and even blame the customers for not having a "lifestyle" conducive to using this device as if we all have 5 hours to sit around waiting for our device to charge or we all should be putting our devices on chargers every night before bed. I live in the real world where I've got other stuff to do besides worry about having tons of devices plugged in and charging each night.

Well, I've never used the newer MacBooks so I didn't know they charged as fast as you say. What I do know is that iPad Air 2 takes around 4 hours to charge (that's been my experience, not 3 hours as you say), and the Pro takes 5 hours. Given that the Pro has a bigger battery, that seemed reasonable to me. I guess it all depends on our perspectives and expectations.

And really, it's not such a big deal to plug in all my devices at night. Right now, for me, that's three devices, iPad, iPhone and Apple Watch. (My MacBook Air is permanently parked at my office, acting as a desktop) I have two lightning cables and the watch charger permanently plugged in next to my bed. When I go to bed, I plug in the iPad and iPhone and place the watch on its charger. Takes 5 seconds.

 

[rkuo]

Well, I've never used the newer MacBooks so I didn't know they charged as fast as you say. What I do know is that iPad Air 2 takes around 4 hours to charge (that's been my experience, not 3 hours as you say), and the Pro takes 5 hours. Given that the Pro has a bigger battery, that seemed reasonable to me. I guess it all depends on our perspectives and expectations.

And really, it's not such a big deal to plug in all my devices at night. Right now, for me, that's three devices, iPad, iPhone and Apple Watch. (My MacBook Air is permanently parked at my office, acting as a desktop) I have two lightning cables and the watch charger permanently plugged in next to my bed. When I go to bed, I plug in the iPad and iPhone and place the watch on its charger. Takes 5 seconds.

Bigger batteries don't necessarily take longer to charge. They usually charge as fast as a smaller battery if the charger used is optimized for the larger battery.

With that said, every indication is that the iPad pro is actually capable of charging faster and we just need the updated charger to get going. So I'm not too worried. The situation right now is silly (especially for a Pro classification) but tolerable.