A lot more than you can do on a 2011 Mac, I still own one of the ill-fated 2011 15" MBP's. My base model 13" M1 runs rings around it and keeps up with this 32GB PC for the most part. Want something you can upgrade yourself Apple is no longer for you...
Realistically 2012, RAM & drives, past this some models can swap the SSD, past 2016 it's all soldered down...
Yep. Smart move is to use external SSD's. Apple don't produce anywhere near the capacity I need, nor am I willing to pay their fools prices for storage.
2019, but it's very expensive. Otherwise the 2010 and 2013 models are both quite upgradable, the 2010 especially.
Lot of nonsense IMO mostly people defending their purchase decision. Base models are and remain to be very fast machines. If I needed more, I'd buy it as long as it boosted revenue and I have in the past.
Well, my Mac currently running 100+ tabs on Safari, with 10 programs running, does hear the fan spinning the entire time and the machine is very warm to the touch (50C-70C). Dunno how 9 virtual desktop wouldnt slow Down but to each of their own.
People need to stop with this # of tabs nonsense. This is like saying my computer is slow and I have 20 programs open. WHAT programs? As a web developer that accidentally introduced a bug that caused 1.8 GB of RAM and continued to increase on ONE WEBSITE, the web is not 1990s anymore.
Depends on the system. It's a stock 2011 15" i7 quad core, 8GB, spinner and all on High Sierra runs fine. Temp varies on load fans won't spool up past 2K until CPU hits around 90C or you plug in an external monitor which isn't a good move on a 2011 15" unless you want the dGPU to burn out, yet this one seems impervious to abuse. In average use I'd say 75C tops, it can get warm to the touch we live in the sub tropics so no surprises and its up and running for months if not years on end. Battery temp generally doesn't pass 35C.
TBH it's a load of nonsense propagated by people who don't understand how modern computers work or worse. Can't speak on that or will be suspended.
Yes. I think lack of knowledge in computing is the key here. Sadly we are all taught bigger is better in this world. More rooms in your house- higher bills. Bigger engine under your hood - more gas costs. More shiny glass marbles on your tiara - more money. Apple Shouod be doing more to educate. Tho I’m sure if they Couod get it everyone would be upgrading every single year.
Exactly as both HW & OS have evolved to be far more efficient. Never bought a 13" Mac with more than 8GB, never seen one in the RED for memory preasure and they were all employed in engineering roles. Here people are spouting off you need 16GB just to browse the web
My M1 13" keeps pace with my 17" W10 notebook and it has 32GB and a 90 watt CPU the only edge the PC has is the Nvidia dGPU...
Nailed it and you clearly get my drift, just bigger numbers for the consumer to soak up. "Renting" is already happening, companies want you to pay every month. Any company I deal with does this I drop instantly and more should do the same. If not your music, films, TV series, games, applications can be delisted in a heartbeat and the user has zero control.
And even if you were occasionally (key word occasionally) pushing 8GB, swap is really fast now. So if it’s not all day, every day, mission critical, you’re still fine.Exactly as both HW & OS have evolved to be far more efficient. Never bought a 13" Mac with more than 8GB, never seen one in the RED for memory preasure and they were all employed in engineering roles. Here people are spouting off you need 16GB just to browse the web
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As much as I have posted that a 8 GB AS Mac can be totally functional for certain activities. It really depends on how that Mac is used whether you need more than that. Even with Unified Memory which makes for much higher memory bandwidth between the SoC and SSD/RAM you still want more RAM because it allows less swapping out of parts of MacOS, video cache for the GPU, applications parts/cache to reside in faster RAM then slower SSD.
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Todays external SSDs are still way slower than unified memory. I originally thought that back in 2012 with a 8 GB/256 GB 15” retina MBP, but after reading up on this and looking at various tests, I brought that model back, and got 16GB/256 GB model. It worked for 9 years, but the MacOS kept getting more complicated and used more memory, and the discrete GPU performance was something that only made things worse over time. When using 8GB only it becomes an issue of many processes being able to use shared RAM and be slowed down when they all want to use RAM instead of storage. Even back in 2012, we knew that you were slowing down your laptop considerably playing games on a Mac versus the 16GB models.
I pushed my 8GB 13" MBP's way beyond the average user would do. At some risk it's just Shill thing or those that are insecure about their purchasing decision. I know what I need on HW and or platform, so no need to feed the beast...
Playing games on a Mac is a fool's errand. Work on the Mac, play on the PC or console of choice...
That was an example of application that loads more into faster RAM and the FPS while playing is drastically effected. I also don’t share your sentiment as with native AS games are quite viable to play on M1 Macs with recent Metal 3 improvements. I realize some don’t like how much Apple charges for memory/SSD, but it is what it is, and a lot of us look at todays Macs are a lot cheaper then ones from the past.