Why do people keep saying X is beta?

[thadoggfather]

Sure it’s a new design different from 6/6s/7/8

But minus OLED and home button gestures, and FaceID, both to sub in for touchID internally it’s an 8 which is a great device but still a 7s — naming convention thing to upsell.

So in other words being a 7s internally with a redesign and different biometric (and maybe this is the “gotcha” or dealbreaker for people right now), makes it a lot more mature than not, even for a first generation product. And the distinction of OIS on secondncamera unlike 8+ but still wireless charging just like the 8/8+

Plus we’re all iOS beta testers regardless of what version hardware were on with the [?] fix for I that came with 11.1.1 as an example

And with x.0 versions anyways every time the cycle restarts

I’m sure 11.3 or whatever it goes up to maybe even 11.4 will be better than 12.0 on X2 for a while

 

[C DM]

What? Who is calling it that?

 

[Surf Monkey]

I’m not aware of anyone saying that. The X is a very mature product.

 

[thadoggfather]

What? Who is calling it that?

I’m not gonna call out specific users cus idk off hand but it is a cliche / trend: let people beta test the first iteration and get hosed by gen 2, type thing. A mentality

I’m not suggesting all or the majority feel this way but some do.

Doesn’t bother me but just breaking down what’s really beta perceived about this hardware released aside from portrait which is beta on 8+ too, and FaceID which I could concede, since I’m liking it but sometimes it just doesn’t work nice. Like laying in bed it sucks sometiems in the morning

 

[Tec972]

Lol. Actually I’ve said that before. Guilty. Guess I’m not the only one who thinks so.

 

[C DM]

I’m not gonna call out specific users cus idk off hand but it is a cliche / trend: let people beta test the first iteration and get hosed by gen 2, type thing. A mentality

Doesn’t bother me but just breaking down what’s really beta perceived about this hardware released aside from portrait which is beta on 8+ too, and FaceID which I could concede, since I’m liking it but sometimes it just doesn’t work nice. Like laying in bed it sucks sometiems in the morning

Well, some people referring to something in some way doesn't really make it a thing or make it meaningful in some way.

 

[thadoggfather]

Well, some people referring to something in some way doesn't really make it a thing or make it meaningful in some way.

Right but trying to understand the etymology of that perception is still a valid exploration.

Not here to convince them otherwise, set in their ways, just understand what in particular felt beta to them about it— I won’t take offense. We all have different experiences or opinions or I would expect
So across the spectrum

That’s all
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Lol. Actually I’ve said that before. Guilty. Guess I’m not the only one who thinks so.

At least you’re honest

So what in particular about it felt beta or feels beta?

 

[macTW]

Sure it’s a new design different from 6/6s/7/8

But minus OLED and home button gestures, and FaceID, both to sub in for touchID internally it’s an 8 which is a great device but still a 7s — naming convention thing to upsell.

So in other words being a 7s internally with a redesign and different biometric (and maybe this is the “gotcha” or dealbreaker for people right now), makes it a lot more mature than not, even for a first generation product. And the distinction of OIS on secondncamera unlike 8+ but still wireless charging just like the 8/8+

Plus we’re all iOS beta testers regardless of what version hardware were on with the [?] fix for I that came with 11.1.1 as an example

And with x.0 versions anyways every time the cycle restarts

I’m sure 11.3 or whatever it goes up to maybe even 11.4 will be better than 12.0 on X2 for a while

7s internals in the X? Every new number iteration has a new design with marginal internals.

 

[C DM]

Right but trying to understand the etymology of that perception is still a valid exploration.

Not here to convince them otherwise, set in their ways, just understand what in particular felt beta to them about it— I won’t take offense. We all have different experiences or opinions or I would expect
So across the spectrum

That’s all
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At least you’re honest

So what in particular about it felt beta or feels beta?

Someone wants to call something that is first generation or something that that they think isn't good enough for them for whatever reason (or no reason) by some name that makes them feel better about it all?

 

[thadoggfather]

7s internals in the X? Every new number iteration has a new design with marginal internals.

4s to 5 is the exception this was internally quite a leap on top of body style change.

And this observation you make doesnt even apply since “marginal internals” doesnt apply from 8+ (7s+) to X numerical leap they’re nearly *identical* SoC both w 3GB/A11 at inconsequential clock speed differences.

But yeah 2G to 3G was same SoC, with 3G radio
3GS to 4 was similar performance wise, when u got done with A4 powering a Retina screen
5s to 6 was pretty similar internally and performance wise just different screens
6s to 7, pretty similar internally too. If u want to argue thats a body style change, which it is and isnt..

And here we are again 8+ to X, same SoC. Same A-series chip.
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Someone wants to call something that is first generation or something that that they think isn't good enough for them for whatever reason (or no reason) by some name that makes them feel better about it all?

I’d like to understand what the ‘whatever reason’ is for those folks?

 

[44267547]

The whole beta argument is ridiculous. It's just those that don't agree with the first generation product or specific feature that doesn't meet their narrative, therefore other users who purchase a first generation product, are considered 'beta users' for testing to see how everything works. It's simply a definition that someone skewed because they don't like change.

 

[thadoggfather]

The whole beta argument is ridiculous. It's just those that don't agree with the first generation product or specific feature that doesn't meet their narrative, therefore other users who purchase a first generation product, are considered 'beta users' for testing to see how everything works. It's simply a definition that someone skewed because they don't like change.

Like even if they hate the notch, but get the XSS (iPhone X in 2019, 3rd generation) that still has the notch and can all of a sudden rationalize it?


Change is a good point, or resistance to it.

 

[Tec972]

Omg. I just typed out a 5 paragraph post on my stupid iPad explaining why I feel this is a beta product, I touched the screen to edit punctuation and my whole post vanished into thin air.

 

[flat five]

Omg. I just typed out a 5 paragraph post on my stupid iPad explaining why I feel this is a beta product, I touched the screen to edit punctuation and my whole post vanished into thin air.

it's fine..
you're in luck.
beta test period is already over.. this thing works fine.. great even.

assuming they don't start exploding in a few month, all good.. coast is clear.

 

[C DM]

Omg. I just typed out a 5 paragraph post on my stupid iPad explaining why I feel this is a beta product, I touched the screen to edit punctuation and my whole post vanished into thin air.

Clearly your iPad is a beta product. (Was it at least an iPad Air? )

 

[Tec972]

Where do your drafts as you are typing get saved?
[doublepost=1510298019][/doublepost]It’s actually an iPad Pro. But I call it the iPad semi pro.

 

[AidenL]

It doesn’t feel very beta to me.

It’s a smooth, well rounded phone, even at launch.

 

[thadoggfather]

It doesn’t feel very beta to me.

It’s a smooth, well rounded phone, even at launch.

The [?] bug was embarrassing, but not specific to x it was 11.1 universal

in terms of stability, quite nice! Haven’t had a SINGLE apple logo respring crash, or even an app crash as far as i can remember after a week of use.

I cant recall the last shipping iOS version that came with an iPhone, that DIDNT respring crash until an update or few updates down the road for the past few generations.

This pleasantly surprised me,

 

[Tec972]

It doesn’t feel very beta to me.

It’s a smooth, well rounded phone, even at launch.

Design wise it’s beta. I wish my post didn’t get erased. Omg!!! There is a lot it lacks for a flagship. It doesn’t do anything that other iPhones can’t do except Face ID really. Not worth it for a product that has much maturing to do. Why isn’t the device usb c. Why didn’t they include a fast charger? Some oled screen issues. The notch was not planned on when it was on the drawing board I’m sure. They’ve had 4 years to come up with a killer phone, and all it has is a bit nicer screen and Face ID.

It’s a nice phone I don’t deny it. But does not scream flagship at me because of how much of it is like the other iPhones. Not enough separates it to justify me getting one. Other than a different way to unlock my phone which I don’t need it really doesn’t do anything else

 

[thadoggfather]

Design wise it’s beta. I wish my post didn’t get erased. Omg!!! There is a lot it lacks for a flagship. It doesn’t do anything that other iPhones can’t do except Face ID really. Not worth it for a product that has much maturing to do. Why isn’t the device usb c. Why didn’t they include a fast charger? Some oled screen issues. The notch was not planned on when it was on the drawing board I’m sure. They’ve had 4 years to come up with a killer phone, and all it has is a bit nicer screen and Face ID.

It’s a nice phone I don’t deny it. But does not scream flagship at me because of how much of it is like the other iPhones. Not enough separates it to justify me getting one. Other than a different way to unlock my phone which I don’t need it really doesn’t do anything else

But what if the next few generations have lightning not usb-c, remain to have panel lottery (seems to never stop being a thing as a function of cost vs how many people notice or care and meeting demand production), and the notch, and cheaping out on including a proper charger?

Would you cave eventually for a subsequent generation or would you leap X, X2, X3, or XS XSS, whatever you wanna call it all together or go to android?

Curious, not grilling ya

Cause those four criticisms I suspect are here to stay.

 

[Tec972]

Design wise it’s beta. I wish my post didn’t get erased. Omg!!! There is a lot it lacks for a flagship. It doesn’t do anything that other iPhones can’t do except Face ID really. Not worth it for a product that has much maturing to do. Why isn’t the device usb c. Why didn’t they include a fast charger? Some oled screen issues. The notch was not planned on when it was on the drawing board I’m sure. They’ve had 4 years to come up with a killer phone, and all it has is a bit nicer screen and Face ID.

It’s a nice phone I don’t deny it. But does not scream flagship at me because of how much of it is like the other iPhones. Not enough separates it to justify me getting one. Other than a different way to unlock my phone which I don’t need it really doesn’t do anything else

Sapphire screen like they should have had with iPhone 6, usb c, fast charger included, hell, airpods included too would have been a nice touch and a thank you from Apple. And before you say anything, yes they would still retain a tremendous margin on the device.
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But what if the next few generations have lightning not usb-c, remain to have panel lottery (seems to never stop being a thing as a function of cost vs how many people notice or care and meeting demand production), and the notch, and cheaping out on including a proper charger?

Would you cave eventually for a subsequent generation or would you leap X, X2, X3, or XS XSS, whatever you wanna call it all together or go to android?

Curious, not grilling ya

Cause those four criticisms I suspect are here to stay.

Then why did they move the MBP to all USB C? Remember “flagship device”. You need separation.

I would definitely upgrade in the future but I really want to see Apple impress like they used to. I’m sorry but this phone did not impress me aside from them finally putting OLED in an iPhone albeit too small and 3-4 years late. I’m also not impressed with apples image processing since the iPhone 6s so the camera is not a draw for me much over the 7+. I know it’s a bit better but I liked my photos more on the 6+ before they started over processing the images

 

[thadoggfather]

Sapphire screen like they should have had with iPhone 6, usb c, fast charger included, hell, airpods included too would have been a nice touch and a thank you from Apple. And before you say anything, yes they would still retain a tremendous margin on the device.
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Then why did they move the MBP to all USB C? Remember “flagship device”. You need separation

Apple doesn’t make sense through and through

Why wouldn’t apple include lightning to usb-c considering all their laptops are usb-c?

Or a 5w usb-c cube and a short usb-c to lightning?

Cause they’re silly!

Or what about not including 3.5mm headphones in iPhones for Mac/iPad use?

Or a lightning port on mbp for male to male port connectivity, or to listen to music w lightning headphones included with iPhone ?

 

[Tec972]

Sorry, i was typing on ipad, so my replies may seem disjointed as my posts were getting merged.

I laid my case out better in my post that vanished into thin air from my device. I didn't want to try to hash thru it all again
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Apple doesn’t make sense through and through

Why wouldn’t apple include lightning to usb-c considering all their laptops are usb-c?

Or a 5w usb-c cube and a short usb-c to lightning?

Cause they’re silly!

Or what about not including 3.5mm headphones in iPhones for Mac/iPad use?

Or a lightning port on mbp for male to male port connectivity, or to listen to music w lightning headphones included with iPhone ?

Its because they are cheap and very greedy.
I really believe they ditched the headphone jack because of their Beats acquisition to sell more wireless headphones, and it saves them a dollar per device. They are not stupid when it comes to charging people top dollar for stuff. Even when the technology they are using is a few years behind

 

[Steve686]

Jony Ive more or less referred to this version of X as a sort of newborn that doesn’t have its complete capabilities since the software/hardware isn’t developed for it yet. It’s meant to evolve over the years...

So this may be an insight to no design changes for a long time?

Something along those lines is what he is saying.

 

[Tec972]

The whole beta argument is ridiculous. It's just those that don't agree with the first generation product or specific feature that doesn't meet their narrative, therefore other users who purchase a first generation product, are considered 'beta users' for testing to see how everything works. It's simply a definition that someone skewed because they don't like change.

I do not make my claim of this being a beta product because it is a new design. I actually make the claim because I think this device was rushed to market due to everyone wanting to really see something from apple for the first time in a while, and their devices were getting so long in the tooth people were going crazy.

I'm gonna go against almost everyone else opinion, and say this phone is really nothing special. Yes face ID is a good concept, and this phone will always be remembered for that alone, but they gave us something we really didn't need. There will be more neat uses for it in the future and I actually applaud apple for it. Other than that there is nothing special about this phone and I do not think it's a big deal.

Congrats, Apple finally gave you things that many other phones have had for years. They didn't give them to you earlier, because it would cut too much into their profits and all the Apple fan boys didn't demand much and vote with their wallets. They finally relented because people were about to die of boredom and gave you a phone that is still not ahead of anything else out there with the exception of Face ID and processor benchmarks.