Why do so many Windows users dislike Safari and iTunes?

[S.B.G]

Safari is definitely better and faster than IE and Firefox and there's nothing wrong with iTunes. So why?

Probably because Apple's software for Windows is garbage.

I like iTunes on OS X, but when I must use it on Windows, for some reason I really hate it. I never even once tried Safari on Windows; I didn't think I should waste my time with it.

I doubt Apple puts a lot of effort into their Windows applications and that is why many people don't like them.

 

[sk1wbw]

No one said it was a life or death situation, simply that it could be better. Or is computing the best it ever has to be, right now at this moment? Should we drop all developent of everything because this is as good as stuff needs to be for the rest of time?

No, but they did say it was the worst app ever just because it takes 6 whole seconds to load. What's the average age on this forum, 12? Good Lord In Heaven Above, do people's memories not go further than a few years? These people just aren't thankful for what they have.

 

[daneoni]

Apple's software written for windows has always been mediocre and bloated (iTunes is just awful). Even i wouldn't use them...and i'm a Mac user.

 

[danny_w]

I have never used iTunes on Windows but even on Mac it has some serious issues. I filed some bug reports with Apple recently over some major bugs that cause me a lot of headache when importing and tagging videos Hint: Do NOT try to change the meta tag from Movie to Podcast for multiple videos (or make sure you have a backup first)! Singly it works fine, but changing it on multiple videos screws up the metadata so that only a few tags show up as possible (and Movie is no longer one of them!).

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I have Safari on all my PC's, but I prefer Google Chrome or Firefox as the website requires. Chrome, alas, hogs PC memory with each new page opened (goto Task Manager to notice this) whereas Firefox doesn't; Safari has the that web-something-or-other program that often terminates unexpectedly when multiple tabs fill a window.
.

I am just going to point out that it is done that way in chrome by design. Reason for it is if one Page crashes the browser or some plug in hangs it does not crash the entire browser just that tab. Part of the reason I left ff was with a lit of tabs it wad annoying when one tab crashed and it took down everything. Chrome I just lose the tab. As for memory I also found ff to be by far worse. Add up all the chrome.exe memory it is still often times less than ff. FF had and still has some nasty memory leaks in it.

 

[McGiord]

Where do you live? 2003? Any website that still designs primarily for IE really isn't worth visiting.

As for the OP's question, iTunes on Windows is crap. Utter crap. That's why Windows users don't like it. Safari on Windows is better than crap, but still far worse than both Firefox and Chrome. So why would anyone want to use it?

It is not a matter of time, but of what you are doing with the browser.

What do you do for a living?
Have you ever try to apply for a job through a company's website in Safari?
Even applying for a job at apple.com Safari sucks.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Safari was the first browser to score 100% on the Acid 3 test. Currently Safari 5.2 scores 370 points in HTML5. IE9 only scores 138 points. It is also one of the fastest browsers in SunSpider.

So? It is still a pile of crap. Getting a good score and being usable are two different things.

There is a reason IE6 is better than Safari on Windows.

 

[malman89]

Safari isn't even better than Firefox or Chrome on the Mac.

+1

Or Camino. I have 4 browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Camino, Safari) used in that order. So often, often, occasionally, next to never. iTunes is just fine. VLC is immensely better for video though.

Safari or iTunes for Windows is just crud. Apple's fault for making crappy versions, not Windows users fault for not adopting them.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Chrome is faster than Safari, I agree. But in most benchmarks Safari is faster than Firefox.

Might like to point like benchmarks are only sort-of useful. Acid3 problem is browsers were found out to make sure it they max out the score. More than one browser was found that was doing that.

Apple has a long history cheating results for marketing reasons. So it is very fesiable that Apple would of set up safari do great on benchmarks by cheating. Optimizing the browser for those sacrificing real world.

 

[boss.king]

No, but they did say it was the worst app ever just because it takes 6 whole seconds to load. What's the average age on this forum, 12? Good Lord In Heaven Above, do people's memories not go further than a few years? These people just aren't thankful for what they have.

That's a bold lie. He never said it was the worst program, he didn't even say it was bad. What he said was that it wasn't the best. Which it isn't. See:

it's far from a "good" program.

Just because you think something can be better doesn't mean you aren't thankful.

 

[sk1wbw]

That's a bold lie. He never said it was the worst program, he didn't even say it was bad. What he said was that it wasn't the best. Which it isn't. See:

Just because you think something can be better doesn't mean you aren't thankful.

Yeah, 6 whole seconds. I hope he makes it in life.

 

[ILikeTurtles]

I couldn't believe how god-awful iTunes performs on Windows, until I experienced it for myself. It's really, really BAD. I don't know if it has to do with how horrible Windows is as an operating system, or if iTunes just blows that bad on a Windows box, but it's nearly unusable.

 

[840quadra]

I like and use the heck out of iTunes, but I have to admit, the performance even on some of the fastest Macintosh computers leaves a LOT to be desired.

It is getting too bloated at this point. I really wish they offered a lite version without so much dependance on ITMS.

 

[Queso]

What do you do for a living?
Have you ever try to apply for a job through a company's website in Safari?
Even applying for a job at apple.com Safari sucks.

I have never had to apply for a job through a website. People call me with work offers, which I'll either accept or decline.

However, back on topic, Safari does indeed "suck". But that's no excuse for IE only websites, which suck even greater.

 

[sk1wbw]

I couldn't believe how god-awful iTunes performs on Windows, until I experienced it for myself. It's really, really BAD. I don't know if it has to do with how horrible Windows is as an operating system, or if iTunes just blows that bad on a Windows box, but it's nearly unusable.

Oh come on. It's the only app I use. I use for audio podcasts, video podcasts, apps, music streaming, and renting movies. It's not a bad app. It's very useable, even on my PC which can barely play a full screen video without getting choppy.

 

[danny_w]

I have never had to apply for a job through a website. People call me with work offers, which I'll either accept or decline.

However, back on topic, Safari does indeed "suck". But that's no excuse for IE only websites, which suck even greater.

True, but there are still plenty of IE-only websites in the business world. The situation has been improving over the last several years but there are still sites that only work with IE.

 

[Melrose]

Probably because Apple's software for Windows is garbage.

Almost qft. I'd still rather use Safari on Windows than IE or FF. And, I hate Chrome. So, I guess Safari would my choice, but it's a lesser of two weevils type of choice.

iTunes on Windows can run pretty slow and at times be buggy. Apple's priority was making iTunes a Mac application, they ported it or whatnot to Windows later and haven't really brought it up to par.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Almost qft. I'd still rather use Safari on Windows than IE or FF. And, I hate Chrome. So, I guess Safari would my choice, but it's a lesser of two weevils type of choice.

iTunes on Windows can run pretty slow and at times be buggy. Apple's priority was making iTunes a Mac application, they ported it or whatnot to Windows later and haven't really brought it up to par.

Any particle reason why you hate Chrome?

 

[Melrose]

Any particle reason why you hate Chrome?

1. Google made a strictly Microsoft move in introducing a free product solely to push competition out. It has done nothing to add competitive features to FireFox, Safari, or IE. FF had much, much more impact in that regard. It added no remarkably new way of browsing or integrating other services (Like Rockmelt did with the social thing).

2. Web developers already have a bleeding hell trying to build a website consistently without companies introducing needless new web browsers for no reason whatsover. The world already had three solid choices - or two, if you were using Windows. If Google was concerned about web standards, there are other methods of supporting them.

3. I don't like Google, as a company. Or their business practices. I therefore make a choice by whose products I use. DOes it make a difference in the long run? Not one bit. But I practice what I preach.

4. They use it leverage usage of their other services, which is borderline monopolistic.

The good thing I can say about it is it used Webkit.

 

[Dr McKay]

My typical experience with iTunes.

Click iTunes, wait 7-8 seconds for it to appear, can't click on it within 5 seconds of opening or it'll Stop Responding.

Click on "Store" to buy a song. iTunes locks up for 20+ Seconds, becoming completely unresponsive before it even thinks about actually loading the store.

Plugging my iPhone or iPad in? iTunes locks up for 20-30 seconds while it thinks of loading the iPhone page. For the duration of syncing iTunes will also be unresponsive.

After closing iTunes, it will re-open itself. Again, and again, and again, and again, and again. After closing it 6-7 times it gets the message that I don't want iTunes open and gives up. This is why I don't like iTunes.

 

[throAU]

Safari offers nothing that others don't. Even on OSX I don't consider it a first or even second choice. It simply average in every aspect.

On the contrary, safari for me has a killer feature - coverflow history. I rarely use bookmarks, and coverflow history enables me to find things i was looking at SO much easier.

It offers icloud sync to my phone as well, so i can read stuff when not at my mac.


I agree that apple software on Windows is garbage. safari isn't quite so bad, but itunes is a pig.

itunes and quicktime on Windows were 2 of the applications that made me hesitant about getting a mac, rather than acting as good, convincing representatives of the apple experience. They really should do something about that.

I suspect part of the reason for this is that apple apps are developed in objective-c and porting them to use native Windows widgets either requires including some sort of translation library or a cut down version of cocoa built into each app....

 

[roadbloc]

Apple software for Windows is truly awful. I would have said the same for Microsoft and their piss poor efforts with Office:Mac, but Office 2011 appears to be pretty good (other than that annoying User Data folder placed in Documents).

 

[Heilage]

Apple software for Windows is truly awful. I would have said the same for Microsoft and their piss poor efforts with Office:Mac, but Office 2011 appears to be pretty good (other than that annoying User Data folder placed in Documents).

Office:Mac 2011 is pretty half-assed too if you ask me. It goes full retard quite frequently here.

And iTunes and Safari on Windows seems equally half-assed. Haven't tried either for a while, but it wasn't that good the last time I tried.

 

[sampath]

iTunes has been just about usable since I installed an SSD on my PC. Before then, not so much... but even so there's no way my whole library fits into the SSD so I have to move most of my music and the larger apps to a mechanical drive.

 

[boss.king]

On the contrary, safari for me has a killer feature - coverflow history. I rarely use bookmarks, and coverflow history enables me to find things i was looking at SO much easier.

It offers icloud sync to my phone as well, so i can read stuff when not at my mac.

Fair enough. I consider it average as those are features I'd never use, but I can see why you would like them.