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I don't believe they are superior; I think they are just different.

I find that both (in fact, let's add Linux to the mix) do some things better than the other, but not one is perfect.

On my favorite ends, I think Time Machine is a brilliant way of handling backups. Windows has an excellent backup core, but it is not as simple to setup and restoring is actually more complicated that it needs to be.

On the Windows side, I love the level of customization I get in the way my computer runs, and I like the openness of being able to develop for different things using very powerful tools. On the Mac, unless you are developing for one of the Mac platforms, the dev tools are all pretty weak. (MonoDevelop is not even worth comparing to even the free version of Visual Studio, for example.)

Linux has the "customize your desktop" down to an art.
 
I get a lot of stick for using a Mac from my friends who pretty much all have PCs.

For me its worth it though as everything just works. The rest of the OS gets out of the way and you can just focus on what you want to do. Windows comes stuffed with crapware. Mac does not. Everything just works the way you want it to.
 
Im an IT engineer and i mainly deal with Windows at work/Macs at home.

In my experience my Macs at home are a lot more "care-free" than any of my Windows kit. OSX isn't perfect, but overall i found it to have less "usability niggles" than Windows. Strangely i didn't realise the problems i had with Windows until AFTER i switched, i took a lot of things for granted that i didn't realise could be done any better.

Despite being a Windows Admin by trade OSX is by far my choice of OS.

In regards to the hardware. Admittedly there is a premium to the cost of it as its not a bog standard ATX box, but i appreciate the design.
- The fact that my iMac is not much thicker than a stand alone LED display.
- The whole thing is made from aluminium for heat dissipation and as far as i can tell non of the internals have ever went over 50c.
- The fact that even under load it uses only 120w, but with little CPU usage and screen dimmed its more like 46w (some of my lightbulbs use more electricity!)
- It is TOTALLY silent

I have nothing but nerdy respect to the guys who have built a better spec machine than me for the same amount of money, good for you but unlike you i don't wanna make my own pc. I also don't want to buy one i know has been built as cheaply as humanly possible by the OEMs who get by on selling millions of computers on very low profit margins e.g. Dell. I just wanna come home after fixing computers all day to something reliable and fun to use.
 
I wounder how much of the "cool" factor of using an Apple product have to do with their preference. It would be interesting to have OSX and Windows in two identical machines to see which OS the kids prefer.

:eek:
Actually, you can have the both in one and the same machine - the iMac.
 
Why buy an iPhone instead of a Galaxy S2? The Galaxy S2 has a bigger screen than the iPhone, why does everyone think the iPhone is superior?

Why buy the iPad over the Samsung Galaxy tab?

Why buy an iPod over a cheap MP3 player that can store the same amount of songs for only a fraction of the price?

Why use iTunes over Windows Media Player?

Why?

Because when I use an Android phone it feels like a shaky mess. Problem with PC based stuff is everyone is all amped over the HW. Well the SW sucks so what is the point. Very little humanism put into the design. All practical. Tired of supporting the tech "Me too" generation that MS and Google have started. Apple comes out with something implemented better than their competition and then the slew of "Me Too!" So pathetic.
 
Today I was sitting in my university's library and looked around at all the computers being used. I would estimate about 85-90% of them were Macs. Face it, the era of Macs are too expensive!!! is over.

I grew up on PCs, and my parents are die hard PC users. However, the first time I touched a Mac at an Apple store when I was 14 I was blown away and fell in love. I saved up for over a year to buy my first MacBook. I haven't looked back. Over the course of these 4 years, I've never had my system crash and I've probably spent a total of a couple hours with headaches in OS X or with the hardware. On the PC, it would be a couple hours a day trying to get something done. Specs mean nothing when the software is crap. OS X runs faster on lower spec hardware, it's the truth and it's been proven.

I find that the people who make these arguments have never truly used a Mac for more than a couple minutes outside of a store. That's the way my parents are, they refuse to try a Mac because they don't want to deal with the change. Sit down with a Mac for a few days and if you haven't changed your mind, enjoy dealing with your PC.
 
I doubt we can stop these people, and personally, I actually welcome their presence from time to time.

My rationale is that in the process of responding, it encourages me to reflect and think about what it is which makes my Mac experience so favourable, and it is this realisation which prevents me from seeing my Imac as "just another computer". :)
 
It's not superior. The OSx is more simple to use. Its a tad more reliable. My household has a Mac g5 used for surfing the web, MacBook (wife's laptop), and a hackintosh (860 i7, biostar mb, 8 mb ram, 250gtx graph card dual boot windows and mac osx.). I use Mac osx 95% of he time. Rest is win7. I like macosx for ts simplicity. Win 7 is a great OS but I've only had for about a month. Win xp had at leas 2 probs per week. I don't have the to mess around and troubleshoot problems so I just leave it on osx.

I like all computers and am a spec and numbers man too, but even though apple products may not look good on paper, it can hold its own in real time.

Just sharing my personal experience
 
I switched from a pc to an imac, simply because of quality of the hardware and OS. 3 years ago I bought a Dell pc and a macbook. 3 years later, macbook has no problems. The Dell PC fell apart. First the fan, and then the HD started going bad. Not to mention the lovely Windows XP OS that bogged down the whole system. Was fed up with throwing away $500 to $1000 every 2 to 3 years on poorly made systems.
 
There's nothing inherent about the Apple platform that makes it better than the Microsoft platform. It depends on the application, and each has something to offer different markets.

Those that think Windows is superior just need to take a look at their checkered history when it comes to malware as a humble reminder of how far they've had to go to reach where they are now. Those that think Apple products are the be-all, end-all should remind themselves that every significant organization outside of Apple runs on a Windows platform.
 
In a general way, I believe its better to have a Mac than to have a PC. I do have both tough.

Firstly, a lot of people also buy because they like the desing of the machine.

Well my friend, if one wants to buy a computer for its design, let it be. A lot of Mac users are artists and design lovers, and thats what they care about the most, more than hardware, if you have to respect that each person is unique.

I believe you are a gamer, and truth to be told, gamers make a simple mistake which is to believe that the faster your hardware, the faster your software will run. Altough this is true, it is not the best point of view. A better one is "the faster your software is, the best you can make use of your hardware"

I know you believe that your $900 PC beat any imac….but it doesn't. As a matter of fact, I bet my $600 MacMini beats your $1000 PC And I only make this statement, because I own a MacMini and a $1000 PC…I can run the tests!

The secret is the operational system the runs on Macs, the OS X, its demands so much less hardware to achieve the same goal. Feel free to take your computer to an Apple store and compare some tests. Try launching applications and, compare bootup/shut down times for the computer.

In addition, Macs do have some hardware advantages, that makes you work faster. I can point a better key allocation in the keyboard, a touch sensitive mouse and bluetototh and wi-fi as standard on all models. With the mouse, you can scroll horizontally, control fast/forward on movie playback, and go back and forward on web brasiers….it ridiculous saves you so much amount on time. Scrolling horizontally, on a 4000pixel image for example on windows is extremely boring. As mentioned too, the key allocation in the keyboard, provide very rapid shortcuts, which make your work also faster than in the windows environment.

There is also some unique features to the OS, like dashboard and Expose and Spaces and Stacks. You have no idea what that is, right? Well, search youtube. These features make your work on MAc insanely faster, which renders useless whatever hardware you have running windows….

So yes, we buy Macs, because we get our job done faster in OS X than in Windows. As a matter of fact, this makes windows computers overpriced…not Macs.

Of course, if you simply turn your computer and get right into a game….it apparently makes no sense to get a Mac….well, that is not entirely true….A Mac running windows may be a better investment than getting a Windows machine. Let me point you to some facts:

whatever piece of PC hardware you get today, will be worth half the next year. In 2 years, it will be almost not worth selling. This doesn't happen to Macs. These computers maintain their resale value, for almost the same you originally got them for. So when you sell them to upgrade, you spend only a litlle more money for the top of the line current machine. When you add that to the equation, you will get to the result that upgrading Macs are cheaper than upgrading PCs. Bottomline: windows PCs are overpriced…do the math friend!

I recommend you to get a Mac next time you need to make an upgrade. If after some months using it, you don't like it, sell it on ebay, you will bet almost what you originally paid for. But I believe you will see the benefits of Mac OS X, and will no longer be interested in using Windows for your everyday computer usage.

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If you take the time to learn the keyboard shortcuts then things are as fast as you can be. I rarely have to click to do anything

Lol, this is funny. The shortcuts on windows are slower when comparing to Mac shortcuts becasuse of the key arragments on the keyboard. I wanst aware of this till I learned the shortucts with my first mac. Even at this Mac OS runs faster then windows, no matter the hardware underneath it.
 
Honestly I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?

For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs.

The design seems to be the main selling points for Macs, why? If you have any sense you would know that performance is better than design.

I'm not trying to troll or say that Macs are bad I'm just wondering why you guys think this.

You're also missing 2 important points:

Does your 900 $ PC come with an IPS display? I guess not. The display alone is probably as expensive as your pc, if not more.

Is your PC an All-in-One that takes up little space and is really quiet?

No? Ok, then go out and try find a PC that achieves these things, then compare.

What you do is like comparing an 5000 $ engine to a 10000 $ car, it just makes no sense.


Also: You clearly do not know what design is. Design is NOT only what makes things look pretty. Design is usability, quality, efficiency etc.

I'd rather have a computer that does what it is designed for well (and therefore has good design) than a computer that has power but doens't work as i expect it to. And that is exactly why i switched to mac.
 
I've got an iMac because I'm a PHP web developer. Since OS X is a UNIX-based OS, I can run all of the shell scripts and organize folders and soft and hard links in the same way they appear on the web server. In that respect, macs are VASTLY superior to windows PCs, in fact, such thing cannot be done on a windows PC.

If I were to compare OS X to some UNIX distribution, OS X wins again - far more intuitive, and gets my job done in less time. Did I mention that I don't have to care where my .mp3s and picture files are located? The system itself takes care for storing and backing them up.

I'll never get back to PCs and I'd rather get a second-hand (cheaper and older) mac than an up-to-date PC. Present day computers are fast enough to perform the tasks I need.
 
Everything just works. And all of the programs work well. I don't need to buy a ton of extra software to do small things OS X ships with what I need. What does windows ship with besides a headache? When you buy a dell you don't get dell tunes.

By the way you did come here to troll.
 
There are several reasons I think they're superior. Firstly Macs tend to pioneer a lot of features that become standard on PCs a couple of years later. For example, the white G3 iBooks popularised hidden hinges and slot loading DVD drives, the Macbook made chiclet keyboards popular, the Powerbook introduced widescreen laptops.

I also much prefer OSX to Windows 7. I like how when it boots up and takes you to the desktop it's actually immediately usable. I like not having to worry about viruses. I like not dealing with drivers, Windows Update, OS activation. Not to mention it just plain looks nicer.

Then there's the way Macs actually look. There are PCs that copy Apple design but I don't think its possible to get a laptop that looks better than the Macbook Pro or a desktop that looks nicer than an iMac.

Then of course there are all the little things. There is only one cable going into the back of my iMac. How you can wrap the cable around Macbook power bricks, the way my multitouch trackpad works flawlessly on my Macbook (Compared to the horrible jerky scrolling caused by Synaptics on my old laptop)

I find it quite amusing that people come on to MacRumors into the iMac section and think that they can convince us to become PC users by telling us they're cheaper.
 
I really hate that people think "design" shouldn't come into play or isn't a reasonable justification. It's all specs, specs, specs.

Look, if I'm gonna spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a computer, that thing better look like I spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on it.

These people just have a very limited view of "specs". They only count what can be easily put into numbers. I think the looks of a device is very much part of the specs. So my MBP has an official beauty rating of 9.0 on a scale from 0 to 10, while an MBA might get a 9.3 and the usual el cheapo Windows laptop gets a 3.0, which improves to 3.5 once you remove all the stickers. And blue flashing LEDs can actually turn the beauty rating negative :D

You can absolutely go on specs, as long as you are honest and put everything that is important into the specs and don't ignore half the things.
 
I bought my imac because of the screen. The screen is so crystal clear and the colours so vivid. I can't find another screen like this on the market.
 
Honestly I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?

For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs.

The design seems to be the main selling points for Macs, why? If you have any sense you would know that performance is better than design.

I'm not trying to troll or say that Macs are bad I'm just wondering why you guys think this.

Disclaimer: I haven't read the thread, just answering the OP's question

I don't think Macs are superior or better, they are different
Both do virtually the same functions
I just prefer OS X, Apple Customer Service and the design of Apple products
Others have different preferences
I have no issue with their choices
Where I have an issue is when others tell me my choice for me is wrong based on their opinons and preferences
 
Honestly I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?

For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs.

The design seems to be the main selling points for Macs, why? If you have any sense you would know that performance is better than design.

I'm not trying to troll or say that Macs are bad I'm just wondering why you guys think this.

Three Words:

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OP:
"I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?
For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs."

Put OS X onto your PC (it can be done), and you will understand why.
 
Yeah I agree, mac is simpler too use and as powerful for what I do, less hassle and lets me do my work.. And their laptops (macbooks) are awesomely built..

Don't get me wrong, I love my PC rig as well... mainly for gaming. Also you can 'tinker' more with windows, I like doing that from time to time..
 
Disclaimer: I haven't read the thread, just answering the OP's question

I don't think Macs are superior or better, they are different
Both do virtually the same functions
I just prefer OS X, Apple Customer Service and the design of Apple products
Others have different preferences
I have no issue with their choices
Where I have an issue is when others tell me my choice for me is wrong based on their opinons and preferences

the best answer. nuff said :)

(+1 for the dawg)
 
How is the performance of that $900 PC after 6 months of use? The iMac would spank it.
I can't answer that, but after 3 months it's still like the day I bought it... which means, depending on which iMac you're talking about, my PC might spank the iMac ;)

The battery life you're able to get with Macs in combination with OS X... even on the same computer, in Windows 7 I get hours less battery life
All that prooves is that Apple doesn't know how to write proper Windows drivers. Give a PC the same type of battery that's in a mac and you'll get the same battery life- that's why business oriented PC's that offer things like 12 hours of battery life.

I know you believe that your $900 PC beat any imac….but it doesn't. As a matter of fact, I bet my $600 MacMini beats your $1000 PC And I only make this statement, because I own a MacMini and a $1000 PC…I can run the tests!

The secret is the operational system the runs on Macs, the OS X, its demands so much less hardware to achieve the same goal. Feel free to take your computer to an Apple store and compare some tests. Try launching applications and, compare bootup/shut down times for the computer.

Obviously, comparing an SSD in the air is going to be faster than a HDD in a PC, but word takes <1 second on my PC to open. IE takes <1 second. Visual Studio and Photoshop take 6 and 13 seconds respectivly. Heck, iTunes takes about that long to open on my mac. Lets not talk about iMovie.

And yes, lets see how your mac mini plays a game. It has an intel 3000 graphics card. My $900 laptop has an ATI 6630 in it. I think the ATI card wins. It also has a backlit keyboard, aluminum case, 4/5 hours of usable battery life, and no glossy screen.

OP: People like macs because of 2 reasons: 1) They compare them to $400 PC's, and then wonder why something that's 3x as expensive works better.
2) They keep their $2000 PC for 5 years, and then assume that it's Windows' fault when, after 5 years, it's slow. News flash: Even Lion runs slowly on a PC from 2006.

After that, they decide Windows is better. Then it's the justification stage. Why spend 3x as much on a mac when you could get a PC for 1/3 the price? Let's justify. IPS screens. Unless you're a professional photographer, do you care? Nope. Slimness. It's nice, but hardly worth 3x the price. On-site warranty support? Oh wait, Apple doesn't even offer that ;)

Long story short, I was an Apple/OS X user for 3 years. But then I started critically thinking again, and realized that a Dell is just as good as a mac for posting pointless facebook/forum posts :D
 
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