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I switched from a pc to an imac, simply because of quality of the hardware and OS. 3 years ago I bought a Dell pc and a macbook. 3 years later, macbook has no problems. The Dell PC fell apart. First the fan, and then the HD started going bad. Not to mention the lovely Windows XP OS that bogged down the whole system. Was fed up with throwing away $500 to $1000 every 2 to 3 years on poorly made systems.

I noticed that apple use more well proven parts (seagate/western digital for instance) over some random cheap parts you find in Dells and HPs.

Having said that this debate won't go any where because the very things that matter to Mac users are not important things to to those "mine just works as well" crowd.

The best way is to agree to disagree, since everyone comes to these debate with preset opinion that they don't intend to change.

Frankly, some users here, I don't know why they signed up for a Mac forum... Only guess is trolling is their hobby?
 
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OP:
"I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?
For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs."

Put OS X onto your PC (it can be done), and you will understand why.

Best advice I ever read

however, I dont believe the OP is here anymore, he probably noticed was gonna lose the argument, and then started lying to himself and calling us crazy. I hope that we at least got him thinking
 
It just works.

Yesterday a guy called me to solve the problems he has with his PC. Some other guy already took out the hard drive so I offered to borow him an old PC. I connected the drive to an USB port but that didn't work. When I connected the drive to my Macbook Pro it appeared on my desktop within seconds.

I told him to get an iMac today, he was hesitating but I'm sure he will end op buying one.
 
The best way is to agree to disagree, since everyone comes to these debate with preset opinion that they don't intend to change.


But isnt the ONLY argument going for PC, that PC are cheaper and therefore you can get a faster PC for the same price?

Well, thats a flawed argument, because the PC machines endup being more expensive, fristly because the software it runs is slower wich render useless the hardware, and secondly because it quickly loses it resell value.

It may be hard to believe, but Macs are cheaper if you do the math. We are just trying to make you see past the 1st impression.
 
Macs are not superior to PCs. Mac users are superior to PC users. :D
 
Honestly I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?

For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs.

The design seems to be the main selling points for Macs, why? If you have any sense you would know that performance is better than design.

I'm not trying to troll or say that Macs are bad I'm just wondering why you guys think this.

I use to build windows computers, they were good computers, but to me a mac is faster, don't really need to worry about viruses , and the computers don't slow down after you install more programs. and to me a mac is much easier to use. there 1 year warranty is excellent. i have had 1 motherboard go out a few months after buying the commuter, and apple replaced it no questions asked free of charge. I don't think i will ever go back to a pc again. i had a toshiba laptop that lasted 2 years, a compaq that was a nightmare computer. I also run windows via vmware fusion, and very happy the way it runs on my mac.
 
IPS screens. Unless you're a professional photographer, do you care? Nope. Slimness. It's nice, but hardly worth 3x the price.
I am not a professional photographer but I do care about IPS screen - it displays far crisper colours and as such provides for a much better overall experience.

Besides, slimness is worth the extra price for an iMac - I've got only 1 (one) device on my desk, powered by only one cable, whereas the typical PC has at least 3 - case, monitor and speakers, with their corresponding power and data cables.

I'd rather pay for the convenience.
 
How is the performance of that $900 PC after 6 months of use? The iMac would spank it.

I spend over 90% of my time in OSX. I've owned primarily Apple machines since the time of the G4. With that said, your post is beyond stupid. Speed has never been the advantage of a mac or OSX. OSX is also not maintenance free. For me both OSX and Windows have a lot of quirks, but the OSX bugs and quirks have annoyed me less over time. We really need to get away from the notion that one thing is perfect and the other is fundamentally flawed. Ever see the spinning wheel? The file system can build up a lot of directory issues causing hangs which result in a greater appearance of that silly beach ball icon.

Both OSs can experience random application crashes. In earlier generations of OSX it was just considerably worse. Looking back a few years at Tiger spotlight could crash programs constantly without the use of custom settings. It did not just work. Lion is not less of a ram hog than Windows 7 (we'll see with Windows 8). Post Vista Windows has become quite a bit more usable but I think the damage was done at that point.

If you want to make a statement about computer speed, make it something you can back up. Keep in mind this is coming from a mac user :D. Whenever there's an OSX version I don't even consider how it runs under Windows simply because I don't like my options there (parallels or bootcamp).

After that, they decide Windows is better. Then it's the justification stage. Why spend 3x as much on a mac when you could get a PC for 1/3 the price? Let's justify. IPS screens. Unless you're a professional photographer, do you care? Nope. Slimness. It's nice, but hardly worth 3x the price. On-site warranty support? Oh wait, Apple doesn't even offer that ;)

Apple and their warranties have always sucked. They don't offer a very good warranty and then often exceed their repair time estimates. It's quite annoying.

I think you're wrong on the IPS thing here. Imacs and their 27" thunderbolt display are NOT suitable for professional photographers or anyone trying to match color to printed media. it's a false notion that IPS automatically equates to a professional display when in fact the panel's part number is less than half of the engineering equation to a finished product. Basically in larger sizes ips has been the best option for a display that looks good with reasonable uniformity. No professional photographer in their right mind should ever choose an Apple over other suitable options with better uniformity and more complete solutions to properly calibrated and profiled output.

The 27" panels overall command a premium over even the 24" versions. A few years ago the first big price jump was the 21" panels over the 19" versions (2005 or 2006ish). Apple is trending toward large panel sizes in their desktop line simply to maintain a clear demarcation in dimensions and clarity from what is available in a laptop form factor.
 
In relation to cost, you have to take into account that Macs are premium business class hardware while most PCs are not.

Compare the cost per spec of premium business class PC hardware to the cost of equivalent Macs and there is no significant difference.

Honestly I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?

1) Until Vista, the admin account in Windows did not implement DAC in a way to prevent malware by default. Also, Windows has a far greater number of privilege escalation vulnerabilities that allow bypassing DAC restrictions even if DAC is enabled in Windows.

Much of the ability to turn these vulnerabilities into exploits is due to the insecurity of the Windows registry. Also, more easily being able to link remote exploits to local privilege escalation exploits in Windows is due to the Windows registry.

Mac OS X does not use an exposed monolithic structure, such as the Windows registry, to store system settings. Also, exposed configuration files in OS X do not exert as much influence over associated processes as the registry does in Windows.

Mac OS X Snow Leopard has contained only 4 elevation of privilege vulnerabilities since it was released; obviously, none of these were used in malware. Lion has contained 2 so far but one of these vulnerabilities doesn't affect all account types because of being due to a permissions error rather than code vulnerability.

The following link shows the number of privilege escalation vulnerabilities in Windows 7 related to just win32k:

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=win32k+7

More information about privilege escalation in Windows 7:

http://www.exploit-db.com/bypassing-uac-with-user-privilege-under-windows-vista7-mirror/ -> guide to develop exploits to bypass UAC by manipulating registry entries for kernel mode driver vulnerabilities.

https://media.blackhat.com/bh-dc-11/Mandt/BlackHat_DC_2011_Mandt_kernelpool-wp.pdf -> more complete documentation about Windows kernel exploitation.

http://mista.nu/research/mandt-win32k-paper.pdf -> more complete documentation about alternative methods to exploit the Windows kernel.

http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/tdl4-rootkit-now-using-stuxnet-bug-120710 -> article about the TDL-4 botnet which uses a UAC bypass exploit when infecting Windows 7.

2) Windows has the potential to have full ASLR but most software does not fully implement the feature. Most software in Windows has some DLLs (dynamic link libraries = Windows equivalent to dyld) which are not randomized.

http://secunia.com/gfx/pdf/DEP_ASLR_2010_paper.pdf -> article overviewing the issues with ASLR and DEP implementation in Windows.

Also, methods have been found to bypass ASLR in Windows 7.

http://vreugdenhilresearch.nl/Pwn2Own-2010-Windows7-InternetExplorer8.pdf -> article describing bypassing ASLR in Windows 7.

Mac OS X has full ASLR implemented on par with Linux. This includes ASLR with position independent executables (PIE). DLLs in Windows have to be pre-mapped at fixed addresses to avoid conflicts so full PIE is not possible with ASLR in Windows.

Using Linux distros with similar runtime security mitigations as Lion for a model, client-side exploitation is incredibly difficult without some pre-established local access. Of course, this is self defeating if the goal of the exploitation is to achieve that local access in the first place.

See the paper linked below about bypassing the runtime security mitigations in Linux for more details.

http://www.blackhat.com/presentatio...Europe-2009-Fritsch-Bypassing-aslr-slides.pdf

The author only manages to do so while already having local access to the OS.

3) Mac OS X Lion has DEP on stack and heap for both 64-bit and 32-bit processes. Third party software that is 32-bit may lack this feature until recompiled in Xcode 4 within Lion. Not much software for OS X is still 32-bit.

But, not all software in Windows uses DEP; this includes 64-bit software. See first article linked in #2.

4) Mac OS X implements canaries using ProPolice, the same mitigation used in Linux. ProPolice is considered the most thorough implementation of canaries. It is known to be much more effective than the similar system used in Windows.

http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-04/bh-us-04-silberman/bh-us-04-silberman-paper.pdf -> article comparing ProPolice to stack canary implementation in Windows.

5) Application sandboxing and mandatory access controls (MAC) in OS X are the same thing. More specifically, applications are sandboxed in OS X via MAC. Mac OS X uses the TrustedBSD MAC framework, which is a derivative of MAC from SE-Linux. This system is mandatory because it does not rely on inherited permissions. Both mandatorily exposed services (mDNSresponder, netbios...) and many client-side apps (Safari, Preview, TextEdit…) are sandboxed in Lion.

Windows does not have MAC. The system that provides sandboxing in Windows, called mandatory integrity controls (MIC), does not function like MAC because it is not actually mandatory. MIC functions based on inherited permissions so it is essentially an extension of DAC (see #1). If UAC is set with less restrictions or disabled in Windows, then MIC has less restrictions or is disabled.

http://www.exploit-db.com/download_pdf/16031 -> article about Mac sandbox.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb648648(v=VS.85).aspx -> MS documentation about MIC.

https://media.blackhat.com/bh-eu-11/Tom_Keetch/BlackHat_EU_2011_Keetch_Sandboxes-Slides.pdf -> researchers have found the MIC in IE is not a security boundary.

6) In relation to DAC and interprocess sandboxing in OS X in comparison with some functionality of MIC in Windows 7 (see #5), the XNU kernel used in OS X has always had more secure interprocess communication (IPC) since the initial release of OS X.

Mac OS X, via being based on Mach and BSD (UNIX foundation), facilitates IPC using mach messages secured using port rights that implement a measure of access controls on that communication. These access controls applied to IPC make it more difficult to migrate injected code from one process to another.

Adding difficulty to transporting injected code across processes reduces the likelihood of linking remote exploits to local exploits to achieve system level access.

As of OS X Lion, the XPC service has also been added to implement MAC (see #5) on IPC in OS X. (http://developer.apple.com/library/...stemStartup/Chapters/CreatingXPCServices.html)

7) Windows has far more public and/or unpatched vulnerabilities than OS X.

http://www.vupen.com/english/zerodays/ -> list of public 0days.

http://www.eeye.com/Resources/Security-Center/Research/Zero-Day-Tracker -> another list of public 0days. (Most if not all of the Apple vulnerabilities in this list were patched in the latest Apple security update -> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5002)

http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releas...-vulnerability-in-microsoft-os-110606584.html -> article about 18 year old UAC bypass vulnerability.

8) Password handling in OS X is much more secure than Windows.

The default account created in Windows does not require a password. The protected storage API in Windows incorporates the users password into the encryption key for items located in protected storage. If no password is set, then the encryption algorithm used is not as strong. Also, no access controls are applied to items within protected storage.

In Mac OS X, the system prompts the user to define a password at setup. This password is incorporated into the encryption keys for items stored in keychain. Access controls are implemented for items within keychain.

Also, Mac OS X Lion uses a salted SHA512 hash, which is still considered cryptographically secure. It is more robust than the MD4 NTLMv2 hash used to store passwords in Windows 7.

http://www.windowsecurity.com/articles/How-Cracked-Windows-Password-Part1.html -> article about Windows password hashing.

9) The new runtime security mitigation improvements to be included in Windows 8 have already been defeated.

http://vulnfactory.org/blog/2011/09/21/defeating-windows-8-rop-mitigation/

To put this into perspective, methods to bypass the new runtime security mitigations in Mac OS X Lion are not yet available.

10)In regards to recent earlier version of Mac OS X:

The following image relates to varying levels of security mitigations in different Linux distros but it is applicable in revealing that the runtime security mitigations in some earlier versions of Mac OS X prior to Lion were far from inadequate.

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source -> http://www.blackhat.com/presentatio...Europe-2009-Fritsch-Bypassing-aslr-slides.pdf

The following section of that image represents a comparison of Mac OS X Leopard/Snow Leopard to Windows Vista/7.

NXsmall.png

While Mac OS X Leopard/SL lack full ASLR, Windows Vista/7 have stack canaries (aka stack cookies) that are trivial to bypass.

The following link shows the issues with stack canaries in Windows. -> http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-04/bh-us-04-silberman/bh-us-04-silberman-paper.pdf

So:

Windows Vista/7 = NX + ASLR
Mac OS X Leopard/SL = NX + stack cookies

NXsmall.png

The image shows that NX in combination with stack canaries is more difficult to bypass than a combination of NX and ASLR.

Why buy an iPhone instead of a Galaxy S2?

1) Below are the numbers for total amount of vulnerabilities in the OSs. This includes both local and remote vulnerabilities.

Android = 88 -> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=android - the list shows 89 but 1 of the vulnerabilities is limited to HTC Android devices that use the Sense UI.

- 4 of the vulnerabilities are local privilege escalation vulnerabilities but the list doesn't include the 2 vulnerabilities found by Oberheide because these vulnerabilities haven't yet received a CVE.

- Information about these vulnerabilities can be found at http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/49709

- BTW, 1 of Oberheide's local privilege escalation exploits is not yet patched despite being disclosed on Sept. 20, 2011. So, this has remained unpatched for a month despite Google's OTA updates. This is the reason that these vulnerabilities are not yet disclosed in CVE. CVE doesn't disclose public and unpatched vulnerabilities.

iOS = 63 -> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=apple+ios

- 3 of the vulnerabilities are local privilege escalation vulnerabilities. The two separate Jailbreakme local privilege escalation vulnerabilities are included in the list. The Jailbreakme vulnerabilities were patched in 13 days and 8days, respectively. This was prior to iOS 5 which introduced OTA updates for iOS.

FYI, malware install via exploitation requires a remote arbitrary code execution vulnerability to be linked with a local privilege escalation vulnerability into a single exploit.

2) EDIT: Android has supported NX (aka DEP) since 2.3. Android will support ASLR starting with 4.0. Both technologies are already supported in iOS.

3) The vetting process for app submission to the Android Market is much less strict than the equivalent for iOS.

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http://jon.oberheide.org/files/summercon10-androidhax-jonoberheide.pdf

4) These factors contributed to the following comparison between Android and iOS.

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http://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/about/media/pdfs/symc_mobile_device_security_june2011.pdf

5) Android also has a greater surface area of attack due to the inclusion of Flash. Combined with a greater number of local privilege escalation vulnerabilities, Android is less secure in this regard.
 
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Windows has little doggies. I like the little doggie but the other stuff is too hard. Windows are for smart people, who just happen to like little doggies, so I guess it must be superior. Although I like little doggies, i prefer cats.

Why don't Macs have little doggies? I want a little doggie in my nice shiny Mac, but a cat would be better.
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Mac's are cheaper

Buy an iMac with the student discount for 1100$ and use it for 2 years.

After 2 years you can sell it for $800, which makes it a lose of 300$ over 2 years.

Buy a pc for 900$ and after 2 years, you will be lucky to get 300$. That makes the cost of ownership twice as much.


My question is, why would a pc user buy an inferior hardware which will need continual maintenance and has a sucky OS? Your upfront cost might be more with mac, but not you long term cost.
 
Honestly I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?

For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs.

The design seems to be the main selling points for Macs, why? If you have any sense you would know that performance is better than design.

I'm not trying to troll or say that Macs are bad I'm just wondering why you guys think this.

Yeah, sure. You can also "tune" a VW Golf until it is as fast as a Lamborghini, but you would still not be driving the real beast.

For what an iMac cost, you would still not have a PC that outperforms the iMac AND have the killer 27" display that the iMac has. And you'd definitely NOT have an all-in-one-PC for that money. And guess what? The fact that the iMac is an all-in-one machine is one of the reasons to buy it. At least it was for me.

Then, you would NOT have an almost noiseless PC for that money. The iMac IS as good as noiseless. And it still has a quad core CPU. For me, that was THE reason to buy it.

And now comes software. OS X versus the rest of the world on the desktop. The rest of the world loses. It's as simple as that. 64-Bit Windows 7 is a good operating system and I have it on my company notebook. Linux is an awesome operating system and I run it in VMWare and on a load of servers. iOS is a piece of **** and Android is pretty cool as far as platforms for mobile gadgets go. But the most user friendly desktop operating system on the plant remains Mac OS X. End of story.

Then comes the quality of third party software and the unbelievable love for detail that goes even into average Mac software. Mac OS X has the best ecosystem for quality software - Windows has MORE software, but rarely better applications. It's just more fun to work with a Mac. Plain and simple.

Macs suck for gaming, though. Totally. But there is this thing called Xbox 360 that solves that problem - and it can be hooked up to the iMac. Display Target Mode. Killer feature. The Xbox 360 looks great on the 27" iMac (but you have to buy the adapter box from Dr Boot to get it running).

And yes, design is an important factor for me too. I love beautiful and cool things. I have a knight's armor in my living room, too. (And no, I am NOT kidding - it's true.) I also prefer good wine (e.g. Spanish "Faustino I") over cheap crap. I only drink Single Malt Scotch like Laphroaig, Glenfiddich, GlenMorangie, Ardbeg or other stuff that is at least in that league - I don't drink crap like 3-year-old Johnny Walker or Jim Beam. We only eat fresh food that we cook ourselves.

Why do you think should I settle for an noisy, ugly cheap PC again?

The PC that I would buy would certainly cost at least as much as any Apple machine, and performance would NOT be the decisive buying factor for me. The noise level of the box would be the first factor, then its Linux compatibility (I certainly would NOT run Windows as my primary platform at home anymore), then design, then tech specs.

I make my living in B2B-satellite communications and I am a very demanding user. I just no longer care how great Crysis 2 runs on my computer. I'm a totally different target audience than you are. That's why I bought a Mac.
 
i think apple have a spare $80 billion sat around doing nothing... so they must be good?

Despite the fact i need a tower pc - ive hardly considered a new pc - i have been to dells and couple other sites.. but then i get flashbacks to 2000-2005 of PC using days... the horror...THE HORROR!!!
 
Only one thing that is missing here: OS X will morph into iOS. I leave it to yourselves what the implications will be for that.

(similarly that the iPod is slowly but surely dying - mobile phones are taking over as a music player, why carry two pieces of gear when one can do?)
 
does it matter

Mac vs. PC, Chevy vs Ford, blue vs red.

It all comes down to a combination of specific need and personal preference. Do I think one is better than the other? Sure I do. The real question is why what I think is so important to some else.
 
Well said.


Yeah, sure. You can also "tune" a VW Golf until it is as fast as a Lamborghini, but you would still not be driving the real beast.

For what an iMac cost, you would still not have a PC that outperforms the iMac AND have the killer 27" display that the iMac has. And you'd definitely NOT have an all-in-one-PC for that money. And guess what? The fact that the iMac is an all-in-one machine is one of the reasons to buy it. At least it was for me.

Then, you would NOT have an almost noiseless PC for that money. The iMac IS as good as noiseless. And it still has a quad core CPU. For me, that was THE reason to buy it.

And now comes software. OS X versus the rest of the world on the desktop. The rest of the world loses. It's as simple as that. 64-Bit Windows 7 is a good operating system and I have it on my company notebook. Linux is an awesome operating system and I run it in VMWare and on a load of servers. iOS is a piece of **** and Android is pretty cool as far as platforms for mobile gadgets go. But the most user friendly desktop operating system on the plant remains Mac OS X. End of story.

Then comes the quality of third party software and the unbelievable love for detail that goes even into average Mac software. Mac OS X has the best ecosystem for quality software - Windows has MORE software, but rarely better applications. It's just more fun to work with a Mac. Plain and simple.

Macs suck for gaming, though. Totally. But there is this thing called Xbox 360 that solves that problem - and it can be hooked up to the iMac. Display Target Mode. Killer feature. The Xbox 360 looks great on the 27" iMac (but you have to buy the adapter box from Dr Boot to get it running).

And yes, design is an important factor for me too. I love beautiful and cool things. I have a knight's armor in my living room, too. (And no, I am NOT kidding - it's true.) I also prefer good wine (e.g. Spanish "Faustino I") over cheap crap. I only drink Single Malt Scotch like Laphroaig, Glenfiddich, GlenMorangie, Ardbeg or other stuff that is at least in that league - I don't drink crap like 3-year-old Johnny Walker or Jim Beam. We only eat fresh food that we cook ourselves.

Why do you think should I settle for an noisy, ugly cheap PC again?

The PC that I would buy would certainly cost at least as much as any Apple machine, and performance would NOT be the decisive buying factor for me. The noise level of the box would be the first factor, then its Linux compatibility (I certainly would NOT run Windows as my primary platform at home anymore), then design, then tech specs.

I make my living in B2B-satellite communications and I am a very demanding user. I just no longer care how great Crysis 2 runs on my computer. I'm a totally different target audience than you are. That's why I bought a Mac.
 
Life as my witness , I have NEVER owned a PC that did not stop working. Mac does everything better and easier.

Truly hate PCs and would never use a computer if that's all that existed.
 
  • Unix
  • negligible viruses
  • no pre-installed bloatware

The flip side is no Bluray or USB 3. That pretty much makes it a draw.

And since I hate the iPhone/cloud craze, Apple really is testing my limits....
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzxDAL_bwOo
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Is your PC an All-in-One that takes up little space and is really quiet?

No? Ok, then go out and try find a PC that achieves these things, then compare.

Dell, sony, and numerous others sell All-In-One PCs with similar specs and some even have HDMI in/out, bluray burners, etc.

And there are disadvantages with the iMac. If you have hardware failure or something is wrong with the screen, you will have to send the whole thing in for repairs and be out of a computer or have to buy a completely brand new one. Hardware failure on your PC, you could just go out and replace that part (obviously if you bought from Dell or something it would be harder but if you just made it yourself it would be quite simple.)
 
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I don't understand this fanboy BS. I just use what I think is the best tool for the job. So for a phone it's a 4S, for a tablet it's the iPad 2, for a notebook it's the MacBook Air 11", for gaming... it's a Windows 7 PC with a hex core i7, and SLI'd GTX 480s. :p
 
Like the OP, I once didn't understand why people would want or buy a Mac. Then again, this was back in the 90s. Things happened, and at some point I became a Mac fanboy.

About a decade later, I was convinced by someone to get over my Mac fanboyism and buy a Windows machine. I was appalled by the idea, at first. After using a plastic MacBook for almost 3 years I was determined to never buy a plastic laptop again and get the lust-worthy last gen Core 2 MacBook Pro.

The truth is - my PBG4's power brick had died, and for some reason I really wanted a laptop. Bad. Best Buy had a particular $1500 Sony in stock that was EVERYTHING I wanted in a laptop - except it was made out of plastic and ran Windows 7.

By then I had reasoned that I was not a Mac fanboy - but a nerd, and real nerds are happy to use anything that plugs into a wall socket. It's science, man! People that whine and talk about how inferior X is because they use Y, are not true nerds but people that are... crazy man.

Here's what I have to say about that $1500 laptop 18 months later:
* I do run an AV on it - but for the time I did not (a couple of months), I did nothing special and the machine never had any viruses, trojans, or other crap on it.

* Windows 7 is pretty. I really do think Aero is prettier than Aqua to some degree - tone it down a little and it'd be amazing.

* Being outside of the Mac ecosystem is liberating because Windows and Linux run on damn near anything. Want a 13" 1920x1080 laptop? Yep. Laptop that has 20 hours of battery life and an eink screen? Sure! Laptop that barely gets 20 minutes battery life but can crunch more than Virginia Tech's original Big Mac? Hell yea. [citation needed, exaggeration!]

* I wish it was made out of metal. It looks like it has been through more abuse than my 6 year old PBG4! However, despite the scratches and faded paint, it is more structurally sound than my MacBook ever was. How is it that Sony could make a more structurally sound 16" laptop than Apple could a 13" laptop.. go figure.

* The screen is still fantastic, although I wish someone would make laptops with IPS screens again.

TL;DR: I use a bit of both and don't really have a feeling of "superiority" one way or another. However, I do want a 27" iMac.
 
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