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Why do you guys believe Macs are superior so PC's?
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You're buying the Mac as a complete package that works. After using one for a year or so, I won't be going back to a PC anytime soon.
It's not for everyone - in some sense it can be considered a luxury product.
I can't wait to upgrade my wife's dell machine to a MacBook next year. I can't stand using windows after using a MacBook for 2 yrs. I love the gestures on the trackpad & I try to do that on my work laptop, still using XP, & I get frustrated.
You're not the only one. I've read many posts (on other forums as well) who encountered problems with Lion. Yet, their previous SL worked great. Hence, why my iMac will remain SL - as long as it can.
Back on topic.... My iMac does some things great and my HP Laptop (W7) does other things great. IMO, the iMac is NOT perfect. They still have lots of improvement. But, they have mastered it in some areas. Thus, I pick the best tool for the job that needs to be done...
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For me it is not about the bugs, it is about the design decisions and direction they are headed. Lighter window gradients, mission control, Launch Pad, features that are not features at all just window dressing. No problems at home. At work 10.7 has crashed NAS' and refused to work well with AD, SMB and a host of other network issues. But really those are getting fixed. At the end of the day you still have to put up with the design decisions. They HAD to mess up a good thing. Probably the only OS I will not buy since OS 8.1.
I'm just curious, why are you of the opinion that Lion is so awful? I'm not judging your opinion, just keen to know.
I don't believe he was trolling, not sure what is up with those comments. I think it's a valid question. I switched to Mac's 3 1/2 years ago and will now be switching back to a PC. It's not easy since I'm used to Mac's and nobody comes close to matching the design and screens of Mac's.
I want my damn computers to work. I've had two Macbook Pro's and 2 Imac's. The first Imac was great and I wished I had never switched to the Macbook Pro. The pro gave me problems with network issues as far as losing the internet connection and waking up from sleep. The next Pro did the same thing and so did my last Imac. I believe Cnet had an article about the Macbook Air losing connections all of the time. Go to the Apple forums and you can find page after page of problems with network connection issues. I tried everything suggested including changes in keychain and there still was no fix. Apple was also no help.
The funny thing is, my girlfriend's $3$$ Lenovo just works. The screen does suck compared to a Mac, but otherwise it's much more dependable. Windows 7 actually works good. I miss things about the Mac and would love to stick with them, but I can't have my computers dropping connections and not waking up from sleep or having to restart it every night after they would lose the connection. It wasn't the internet or router since everything else connected to the network would work.
I still like Apple, love the Iphone and would consider an Ipad if they would shrink it down in size to the Playbook. (I sold my Ipad because I felt it was just too large) I honestly think Apple is getting too big. They are cranking out products and aren't spending enough time on getting things right. I personally think Apple products are quite buggy compared to how they used to be or compared to Windows 7.
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Pc's are not cheaper. I just got done pricing out a PC build with quality parts and it's at least $1200.00. You won't get an all in one for that. I priced the Lenovo all in one's and they are at least $1200.00 with decent specs, but still don't match the Imac. You can't even come close to matching a Macbook with a PC and get an SSD. A Lenovo equipped with an SSD is at least a $100 to $200 more than a Macbook Air. Samsung Series 9 (Macbook Air competitor) is several hundred more than the Air.
I want my damn computers to work. I've had two Macbook Pro's and 2 Imac's. The first Imac was great and I wished I had never switched to the Macbook Pro. The pro gave me problems with network issues as far as losing the internet connection and waking up from sleep. The next Pro did the same thing and so did my last Imac. I believe Cnet had an article about the Macbook Air losing connections all of the time. Go to the Apple forums and you can find page after page of problems with network connection issues. I tried everything suggested including changes in keychain and there still was no fix. Apple was also no help.
The funny thing is, my girlfriend's $3$$ Lenovo just works. The screen does suck compared to a Mac, but otherwise it's much more dependable. Windows 7 actually works good. I miss things about the Mac and would love to stick with them, but I can't have my computers dropping connections and not waking up from sleep or having to restart it every night after they would lose the connection. It wasn't the internet or router since everything else connected to the network would work.
I still like Apple, love the Iphone and would consider an Ipad if they would shrink it down in size to the Playbook. (I sold my Ipad because I felt it was just too large) I honestly think Apple is getting too big. They are cranking out products and aren't spending enough time on getting things right. I personally think Apple products are quite buggy compared to how they used to be or compared to Windows 7.
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Pc's are not cheaper. I just got done pricing out a PC build with quality parts and it's at least $1200.00. You won't get an all in one for that. I priced the Lenovo all in one's and they are at least $1200.00 with decent specs, but still don't match the Imac. You can't even come close to matching a Macbook with a PC and get an SSD. A Lenovo equipped with an SSD is at least a $100 to $200 more than a Macbook Air. Samsung Series 9 (Macbook Air competitor) is several hundred more than the Air.
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You should have just switched routers. I think some of the Apple products have a problem with certain routers.
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Anyway Mac rules with usability features like Time Machine or printing to Web Receipts folder with a click.
And Mac hardware is so much nicer to use. Windows hardware is just a shell to hold the parts in comparison. A button is a button. A trackpad is a trackpad. etc.
I am using my wife's MBP right now and there is nothing to compare it to in the Windows world.
Win7 on the other hand does games well. You can build a big tower pc for dirt cheap and hide it under the desk. I also like the drag to left or right side to open up the window in half of the screen feature.
And more software compatibility in Windows. GAmes one of the most glaring examples.
Folder system might be nicer too. But OSX is better in every dept.
Organized better. A user folder is just a name. There aren't multiple folders with similar names. System Preferences is clear and concise compared to Control Panel. System information much better than Device Manager. Wireless networking setup on Mac nicer than Win 7 as well even though Win 7 has come a long ways.
And OSX graphically is superior. I do like and find that Window uses bigger buttons that easier to click than OSX. But moving a Windows window around is pretty shoddy looking to the eyeballs.
I did. Still didn't work. I really, really wanted to make my Mac's work. I really tried everything I could. I even subscribe to Maclife and Macworld magazines and tried the solutions they offered and still nothing but trouble. Hell, I like Mac's so much, some days I still want to go pick up an Air or Pro or Imac and try again. Can most of you really say you don't lose connections or have problems with your Mac's waking up from sleep. In either Maclife or Macwolrd they were stating they were now having problems with Lion. I never had Lion and had all of these issues with SL.
I am having problems picking a Windows machine. Nothing comes close to the design of a Mac. I don't really want a separate tower from the screen. I've been without my own computer for awhile now since I can't make up my mind on what PC to get. It will probably end up being a Lenovo. I hear the customer service sucks though and takes many months to get a product back.
I never experienced the not waking from sleep issue.
But, I have experienced the issue where the connection has been dropped while the machine was asleep.
An easier solution to this issue then a restart, if it works as it always has for me, is to turn Wifi/Airport off and on to restart the network connection only as opposed to restarting the entire machine.
This has always worked for me without exception on several machines. But, this may not be solution for others with this issue.
Just so you know, BetterTouchTool has the ability to turn this feature on within OS X. The program itself is made for the magic mouse and trackpad but for some reason they threw in this option. I used it in SL a lot but with the multiple virtual desktops in Lion I prefer to use those.
It did work maybe half the time to turn wireless on and then off. What made it so frustrating is there wasn't a regular solution. A restart did work every time, but it got really old having to do this a couple times a week.
Some things I love in Lion and some things I dislike but either way it still kicks the **** out of Windows 7 any day lol.
I introduced my wide to Mac, iphones and apple a little while ago after years and years of PC use. She was dubious, but I left her to it. After two days she texted me with these words.
I think that about sums it up in my opinion.
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I get it now.I think that about sums it up in my opinion.
When this topic comes up, I think there is always one thing that non-mac users fail to understand, (in the words of SJ "they just don't get it"). First off, specs are not everything.
Not everyone wants to tinker around building a PC, and not everyone wants a computer that you have to "work on" to keep running. Some of us want something that just works, and is basically plug and play.
I started out on macs, first computer was a perform 636CD. That lasted me a good 4-5 years before I needed a new computer. Could not afford a mac, so got a windows based machine, and for the next 4-5 years went through two windows based desktops and a laptop.
In each case it seemed like when I got to the one year mark, the system slowed down dramatically, and even when running anti-virus software I always still ended up with malware infecting my computer, and would usually have to wipe the drive clean and start over.
Also, when it came time to setting up a windows based wireless network that was no easy task either.
Since 2007 and Im back to using Apple products. No issues, no malware, no system slow down after about a year, don't have to waste time trying to trouble shoot when there is a problem because I have not encountered issues.
This final experience I am about to relay sums it all up. A year ago I picked up a linksys wireless router. Took a fair amount of time to set that up...maybe an hour or so, and I would still frequently have issues with it.
A month ago I replaced this with a 1 tb time capsule that has a wireless router built in. Basically all I did was plug it in and my network was there. In less than 5 minutes I was up and running and have not had any issue since than.
Apple products really are the ultimate in personal computing products. Seemless integration of both hardware and software makes for a product that will give you far less issues than a windows machine. They aren't perfect, but they are better than the alternative.
You may pay more upfront, but when you consider that you will be getting a machine that will essentially still be running strong long after your windows machine has stopped running, I think the costs even out.
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Never had any of those issues you are describing!
Not everyone wants to tinker around building a PC, and not everyone wants a computer that you have to "work on" to keep running. Some of us want something that just works, and is basically plug and play.
I started out on macs, first computer was a perform 636CD. That lasted me a good 4-5 years before I needed a new computer. Could not afford a mac, so got a windows based machine, and for the next 4-5 years went through two windows based desktops and a laptop.
In each case it seemed like when I got to the one year mark, the system slowed down dramatically, and even when running anti-virus software I always still ended up with malware infecting my computer, and would usually have to wipe the drive clean and start over.
Also, when it came time to setting up a windows based wireless network that was no easy task either.
Since 2007 and Im back to using Apple products. No issues, no malware, no system slow down after about a year, don't have to waste time trying to trouble shoot when there is a problem because I have not encountered issues.
This final experience I am about to relay sums it all up. A year ago I picked up a linksys wireless router. Took a fair amount of time to set that up...maybe an hour or so, and I would still frequently have issues with it.
A month ago I replaced this with a 1 tb time capsule that has a wireless router built in. Basically all I did was plug it in and my network was there. In less than 5 minutes I was up and running and have not had any issue since than.
Apple products really are the ultimate in personal computing products. Seemless integration of both hardware and software makes for a product that will give you far less issues than a windows machine. They aren't perfect, but they are better than the alternative.
You may pay more upfront, but when you consider that you will be getting a machine that will essentially still be running strong long after your windows machine has stopped running, I think the costs even out.
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Never had any of those issues you are describing!
As others have said, OS X is the reason.
I've been using Mac OS since I first started using computers (when I was 4), on Mac OS 8. Even back then, Mac OS compared to Windows 98 felt more intuitive and made more sense. It was a far more logical experience.
I don't think that has changed. Whether it is window management, settings, or any other use you can think of, for me at least, Mac OS just works in a far, far more logical way. And of course, it is gorgeous (well, now, Mac OS 8 and 9 weren't quite as snazzy
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I did switch to the PC and built my own, back in 2007, and used that for four years. While the experience as a day to day, basic machine wasn't terrible, if we take actual productivity into account, and nothing else, Windows falls far behind because of reliability. Countless problems that popped up for no apparent reason whatsoever. One day I could start up my PC, and whether Windows would just not boot and have to be restored from a backup, to small issues caused by the registry that would in turn cause something to go horrifically wrong, the PC experience turned me from a computer user to a part time IT technician.
I did have my reasons to switch, however. Free programs on Windows were far more common, and the value for money on the Mac was far worse. That was a big issue when hardware was not as powerful, and there was a huge difference between the top end and lower end components on the market. Now, it is very different. If we stick to the consumer line (essentially just taking out the Mac Pro), the iMac is fantastic value for money, the Macbook Pro is less so, but the latest performance bump as helped its case a huge amount.
I've been using Mac OS since I first started using computers (when I was 4), on Mac OS 8. Even back then, Mac OS compared to Windows 98 felt more intuitive and made more sense. It was a far more logical experience.
I don't think that has changed. Whether it is window management, settings, or any other use you can think of, for me at least, Mac OS just works in a far, far more logical way. And of course, it is gorgeous (well, now, Mac OS 8 and 9 weren't quite as snazzy
).I did switch to the PC and built my own, back in 2007, and used that for four years. While the experience as a day to day, basic machine wasn't terrible, if we take actual productivity into account, and nothing else, Windows falls far behind because of reliability. Countless problems that popped up for no apparent reason whatsoever. One day I could start up my PC, and whether Windows would just not boot and have to be restored from a backup, to small issues caused by the registry that would in turn cause something to go horrifically wrong, the PC experience turned me from a computer user to a part time IT technician.
I did have my reasons to switch, however. Free programs on Windows were far more common, and the value for money on the Mac was far worse. That was a big issue when hardware was not as powerful, and there was a huge difference between the top end and lower end components on the market. Now, it is very different. If we stick to the consumer line (essentially just taking out the Mac Pro), the iMac is fantastic value for money, the Macbook Pro is less so, but the latest performance bump as helped its case a huge amount.
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There are s few things that makes the mac far more superior to pc:
the OS
First of all, you don't get all this windows and software updates all the bloody time not to mention how often you get popups for installations all the time in IE!
Mac just let's you get on with it, knowing that it's not going to get a virus on it. Period.
Second off all, the speed of both after owning them a few months each.
MAC: OS still as fresh as it was when it was setup those few months ago.
PC: takes 2, sorry, 5 MINUITES just to get onto your desktop then ANOTHER 2 to load up everything!
I've only had the dell a couple of years, and I've already had to have a RAM clean on it!
And the third obvious thing, viruses. The thing that makes mac very superior to PC. Macs don't get them compared to windows. Why? Macs cover a small portion/share of the PC market. So there is not much potential in virus programmers affecting macs. Not to mention that some of them might have USED a mac to create the virus, so it pretty silly just to create a virus for others knowing they can get it as well if things go wrong, designing it, or testing it.
And I think you all macrumours guys would be happy knowing I'm switching to mac within a year
and the author who made this thread seriously has some issues. It's fair enough having PC fans being entitled to Thier opinions on other OS'S, but when people like the author come along and rub the 'mac hatred' into our faces, it's just not on.
Apologies for anyone reading my comment while I was updating this. Thank you.
There are s few things that makes the mac far more superior to pc:
the OS
First of all, you don't get all this windows and software updates all the bloody time not to mention how often you get popups for installations all the time in IE!
Mac just let's you get on with it, knowing that it's not going to get a virus on it. Period.
Second off all, the speed of both after owning them a few months each.
MAC: OS still as fresh as it was when it was setup those few months ago.
PC: takes 2, sorry, 5 MINUITES just to get onto your desktop then ANOTHER 2 to load up everything!
I've only had the dell a couple of years, and I've already had to have a RAM clean on it!
And the third obvious thing, viruses. The thing that makes mac very superior to PC. Macs don't get them compared to windows. Why? Macs cover a small portion/share of the PC market. So there is not much potential in virus programmers affecting macs. Not to mention that some of them might have USED a mac to create the virus, so it pretty silly just to create a virus for others knowing they can get it as well if things go wrong, designing it, or testing it.
And I think you all macrumours guys would be happy knowing I'm switching to mac within a year
and the author who made this thread seriously has some issues. It's fair enough having PC fans being entitled to Thier opinions on other OS'S, but when people like the author come along and rub the 'mac hatred' into our faces, it's just not on.
Apologies for anyone reading my comment while I was updating this. Thank you.
I just tried the most recent beta version of Windows 8. Much heralded as the Microsoft crowds make it out to be, using it myself, just like all the others before it, is one of the very few things in this world that makes me curse and swear at the screen. Something I usually never do. It just doesnt flow for me like a true Mac does.
Each to their own though.
Each to their own though.
Another useless argument....PC/Mac
Well elphillo I don't come to this forum very often and each time I do there seems to be some new-b that wants to start a fight about how his thing is bigger and better than the other guys thing. Why this type of conversation keeps showing up is simple. Some people think simple and love to be argumentive...........goes back to the old sayiing....don't wrestle with a pig, the pig will love it and you will just get all dirty. So to engage us with the argument that PC's or Mac's are the best is a complete waste of anyone's time in this forum. Get a life,
Well elphillo I don't come to this forum very often and each time I do there seems to be some new-b that wants to start a fight about how his thing is bigger and better than the other guys thing. Why this type of conversation keeps showing up is simple. Some people think simple and love to be argumentive...........goes back to the old sayiing....don't wrestle with a pig, the pig will love it and you will just get all dirty. So to engage us with the argument that PC's or Mac's are the best is a complete waste of anyone's time in this forum. Get a life,
Performance is a non-issue. With a relatively modern processor and sufficient RAM, most computers will just sit 95% idle 99% of the time. Games? Okay, but that's a specialized case, and if you're really interested in gaming performance you're probably going to have a machine that's designed to play games from the ground up, so the discussion is irrelevant. Most tasks, however, just don't use much processing power to run anymore. So unless you know how to max out 12 cores and 24GB of RAM there's not really any point in discussing performance (FWIW, I can regularly do so at work, but then most of the tasks I run are of the variety known as embarrassingly parallel, meaning it's trivial to break them into an arbitrary number of parallel taskse.g., rendering individual frames of video).
Personally, the reason I use a Mac is simple. There are really two types of operating system: UNIX and toys. When you can remotely connect to your system over a reverse SSH tunnel and initiate a network backup from the command line, or launch a Ruby program that interfaces with the equivalent of Applescript to extract and process data from one application then load it into another with no further user intervention, then you can talk to me about Windows being a serious platform for work. Heck, if you can even show me a decent set of command line based administrative tools for Windows that can accomplish anythingliterally, anythingyou could do from the GUI, I'd be somewhat impressed. But until then, I have no interest in wasting my time trying to convince my computer to do what I want. The amount of time and effort I save by using a Mac on a daily basis more than makes up for any cost premium some benchmark might theoretically demonstrate.
Personally, the reason I use a Mac is simple. There are really two types of operating system: UNIX and toys. When you can remotely connect to your system over a reverse SSH tunnel and initiate a network backup from the command line, or launch a Ruby program that interfaces with the equivalent of Applescript to extract and process data from one application then load it into another with no further user intervention, then you can talk to me about Windows being a serious platform for work. Heck, if you can even show me a decent set of command line based administrative tools for Windows that can accomplish anythingliterally, anythingyou could do from the GUI, I'd be somewhat impressed. But until then, I have no interest in wasting my time trying to convince my computer to do what I want. The amount of time and effort I save by using a Mac on a daily basis more than makes up for any cost premium some benchmark might theoretically demonstrate.
I just did this on my standard mac with a 7200 rpm hdd and it actually took less than a minute