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Why do you guys believe Macs are superior so PC's?
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My mac mini and macbook pro 13in don't have connection issues either wireless or wired if you are wired use a different cable i had one just go out for no reason and my macs don't sleep i just have them set to turn the monitors off so i can comment on that one the thing i hate versions and the save as i hate duplicate as i have messed up documents luckily i backed them up to another drive before i tried to edit them in pages
Believe it or not, this is the first time I've read the first post of this thread.
Firstly, "twice the specs"? That makes...no sense whatsoever. Really.
Secondly, there is no labour cost involved for building a PC. Compare a pre-built system against any Mac before making a comparison.
Thirdly, yes, you could easily build a faster PC for $900. But if you compare package-to-package, the iMac would be at a big advantage, considering you can't use a computer without a display.
I'm not saying that you are wrong, nor am I being a fanboy. But, please, do a fair comparison for both sides before continuing. If we want to go for performance and specs, then the iMac is actually quite difficult to beat compared to many pre-builts.
As for the Macbook Pro, you can spend just over half the money and get higher end parts.
I won't factor experience in as that relies on both the user and the equipment working together in harmony. Some prefer one platform over the other.
I totally agree with this post well thought out and constructed and the last line is the real killer.
IMHO, this makes no sense at all ....
OS X Lion does all of the same things OS X Snow Leopard did, PLUS a whole lot of major security improvements -- many of which you won't even realize are there in daily use. (Others you might, like the ability to encrypt entire drives now, including your boot drive.)
Almost all of the Lion complaints I've seen to date have to do with either A) hardware with no Lion driver support yet, like my old Oki color laser printer over here, or B) people whining about features they could just disable and turn it back into the same setup they had before in Snow Leopard.
OS X Lion does all of the same things OS X Snow Leopard did, PLUS a whole lot of major security improvements -- many of which you won't even realize are there in daily use. (Others you might, like the ability to encrypt entire drives now, including your boot drive.)
Almost all of the Lion complaints I've seen to date have to do with either A) hardware with no Lion driver support yet, like my old Oki color laser printer over here, or B) people whining about features they could just disable and turn it back into the same setup they had before in Snow Leopard.
But there is also the "Spaces & Exposé" issue. Since 10.3 I always updated to the new OS in less than a month, with 10.5 and 10.6 I updated within two days. With 10.7 I will have to wait until "Spaces & Exposé" are back in some better form than Mission Control, which is a mess with many application windows and especially with 12 Spaces.
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I got my undergraduate degree in Computer Science, and am now doing a PhD in computation engineering. I recently attended a conference for a specific programming language in the sciences(SciPy 2011). 90% of the people there were using Apple computers. Why? This is because Apple computers are a programmer's paradise. They are built off of BSD UNIX, which is renowned as one of the best and most useable operating systems ever created. OS X is easily the most elegant derivative of this operating system and one of the best ever designed. The advantages of OS X for programmers is that it allows one to execute consumer oriented programs as well as to interact with the operating system in a way programmers prefer(the terminal).
Windows CMD is a nightmare. Amazing that a genius such as Gates would ever allow such an abomination to percolate through the OS. Even microsoft has acknowledged that their shell is awful, offering powershell as an alternative. The 27" iMac is a great machine and is comparable in specs to similar computers when you include the cost of the (excellent) display.
Windows CMD is a nightmare. Amazing that a genius such as Gates would ever allow such an abomination to percolate through the OS. Even microsoft has acknowledged that their shell is awful, offering powershell as an alternative. The 27" iMac is a great machine and is comparable in specs to similar computers when you include the cost of the (excellent) display.
I've just always been more comfortable using macs over pcs plus I think they look nicer and have less viruses which is a plus
They don't have any viruses at all.
There are currently no viruses for Mac OS X in public circulation, only a handful of trojans and other malware, which have to be installed manually via entering the administrator password.
The only anti-virus you need to protect your Mac is education and common sense.
Also know, that the term "virus" is often used to refer to other kinds of malware, but there are differences, which you can find out by reading the following:
Mac Virus/Malware Info by GGJstudios
The only anti-virus you need to protect your Mac is education and common sense.
Also know, that the term "virus" is often used to refer to other kinds of malware, but there are differences, which you can find out by reading the following:
Mac Virus/Malware Info by GGJstudios
And where the hell is OP after given so many solid arguments? I thought he didnt mean to troll? Or does he getting busy, go to Apple Store and grab a Mac computer??
Some people just dont share Apple's passion for a great computer, pioneered by Steve Jobs. Some people just prefer to modify a Honda (albeit it looks ugly) and match an Aston Martin to just get the real one and just enjoy.
Yeah .. Like someone posted here, when you do things reasonably well in life, you'll respect something that beautifully crafted.
If I have or willing to spend $6000 on a computer, I'd still have myself hi-end MacPro & 27" display rather than Alienware or even build my own PC.
Some people just dont share Apple's passion for a great computer, pioneered by Steve Jobs. Some people just prefer to modify a Honda (albeit it looks ugly) and match an Aston Martin to just get the real one and just enjoy.
Yeah .. Like someone posted here, when you do things reasonably well in life, you'll respect something that beautifully crafted.
If I have or willing to spend $6000 on a computer, I'd still have myself hi-end MacPro & 27" display rather than Alienware or even build my own PC.
Macs are consumer products. You don't have to understand anything about computers to use them. That's why people like them, whether they realize it or not. They're under-performing, oftentimes overpriced (depending on the model) machines, bu they require zero under-the-hood understanding.
I mean I own an iMac, and I love it. No box, low desktop real estate, good looking machine with solid innards. But for sure i only have it because I'm at a point in my life where I can throw a bit of money around on toys and not worry about it. For most of my adult life I built my own PCs, and they were very cheap, very powerful machines. But you have to understand them.
I mean I own an iMac, and I love it. No box, low desktop real estate, good looking machine with solid innards. But for sure i only have it because I'm at a point in my life where I can throw a bit of money around on toys and not worry about it. For most of my adult life I built my own PCs, and they were very cheap, very powerful machines. But you have to understand them.
You are wrong about Mac's prices . . .
I needed to upgrade my PC for more powerful machine (double Quads, memory, etc.). One of my relatives advised Mac Pro. I went to Dell site and configured PC with he same parameters as 12-core Mac Pro. The same amount of memory, hard drives, video card, etc. Guess what, Dell wanted $500 more then Apple for Mac Pro. Also, Mac Pro has UNIX under the hood. So I bought Mac Pro and cannot be happier. Also this machine is FAST.
So your argument about Macs been overpriced are greatly exaggerated
vlad
I needed to upgrade my PC for more powerful machine (double Quads, memory, etc.). One of my relatives advised Mac Pro. I went to Dell site and configured PC with he same parameters as 12-core Mac Pro. The same amount of memory, hard drives, video card, etc. Guess what, Dell wanted $500 more then Apple for Mac Pro. Also, Mac Pro has UNIX under the hood. So I bought Mac Pro and cannot be happier. Also this machine is FAST.
So your argument about Macs been overpriced are greatly exaggerated
vlad
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You are correct, but however macs don't get viruses because of the very small percentage they cover of the computer Market, so virus devs dont really have much potential in infecting people.
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You are correct, but however macs don't get viruses because of the very small percentage they cover of the computer Market, so virus devs dont really have much potential in infecting people.
Thought I would pitch in here being a former MCT and current MCSE and being well-versed in Microsoft technology.
I am going to start by saying that many people have already touched on great points here. I don't think that people necessarily think their iMac is "better" than a PC - the Macintosh is just what they prefer to use. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
I have always found attraction in how Apple never prints their "specifications" in big letters on the side of their products (just like you will never see 'Mercedes-Benz E320' on an MB made car - when your name is out there you do not have to and it becomes tacky). They never advertise them with a dual core processor or this milliseconds on the hard disk. They only show you the experience you will get when owning a Macintosh. That's what Apple focuses on. If you focus on using the computer as a tool and not a toy to tinker on, you will no doubt enjoy the Apple experience. If you are one that enjoys the fastest Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition and this speed front side bus and that this type of RAM that is used for over clocking, then I recommend you skip the Apple product because you are probably not their primary customer focus and are probably in the Android camp looking at the newly-released-model-of-the-week.
Apple focuses on a great end user experience. When you go purchase any Apple product, you will find that it is packaged very professionally and the lengths gone through to package the product will be impressive. It is hard to find this level of detail in PC vendors. Then when you turn it on, you will have to enter your wireless information as well as Apple ID (if applicable) and register the computer and you are done. You are ready to browse the web, check email, edit photos, manage music, and edit movies all from the first boot. They *know* they give you a product that works.
Unfortunately the PC vendors have giving into subsides and give you every toolbar known to man as well as free trials of many different types of software. What can be more confusing for a non-IT person to deal with? People think "well Google is a pretty good company and the do my email, so I will keep their toolbar - I can't really see how to turn it off anyway." Then you have McAfee fighting for AV software hoping you will sign up in 90 days and so one. Need I go on...
A PC is a great computer for those who wants to format them when they get them and install Windows 7 from the Microsoft DVD and update drivers and get going, but one must look at hour many hours is invested in that and what your normal salary/hr is and determine if it is worth it (or you just want to). And Windows 7 is just as stable as OS X 10.5, 10.6, or 10.7. Windows 7 is rock solid. But so is OS X.
I use Microsoft products to make my living, and they may some wonderful products. But in my opinion, they have two markets they are focused on. The Windows PC can be as comfortable on a corporate desktop joined to a domain as it can at home. The Macintosh is primarily used at home and does a wonderful job at that. It does Microsoft Office well, iWork well, and 10.7 Lion well (if people will give it a chance). It's hard to beat Apple products in their home territory.
When you are comparing two different platforms like that there are many head to head comparisons to go to. I think Apple has done a good job at creating a stable OS with UNIX underpinnings that is hard to beat. Windows 7 is hard to beat with Group Policy integration and Active Directory management for business users. Thankfully, we have not had to reboot our systems daily since the Windows 98 and Mac OS 9.x days. Both are very stable and very reliable for what they are used for.
At the end of the day, it is nice to use something that is different and does not get in my way and allow me to focus on content rather than the OS. And OS X does that for me.
I am going to start by saying that many people have already touched on great points here. I don't think that people necessarily think their iMac is "better" than a PC - the Macintosh is just what they prefer to use. And I don't see anything wrong with that.
I have always found attraction in how Apple never prints their "specifications" in big letters on the side of their products (just like you will never see 'Mercedes-Benz E320' on an MB made car - when your name is out there you do not have to and it becomes tacky). They never advertise them with a dual core processor or this milliseconds on the hard disk. They only show you the experience you will get when owning a Macintosh. That's what Apple focuses on. If you focus on using the computer as a tool and not a toy to tinker on, you will no doubt enjoy the Apple experience. If you are one that enjoys the fastest Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition and this speed front side bus and that this type of RAM that is used for over clocking, then I recommend you skip the Apple product because you are probably not their primary customer focus and are probably in the Android camp looking at the newly-released-model-of-the-week.
Apple focuses on a great end user experience. When you go purchase any Apple product, you will find that it is packaged very professionally and the lengths gone through to package the product will be impressive. It is hard to find this level of detail in PC vendors. Then when you turn it on, you will have to enter your wireless information as well as Apple ID (if applicable) and register the computer and you are done. You are ready to browse the web, check email, edit photos, manage music, and edit movies all from the first boot. They *know* they give you a product that works.
Unfortunately the PC vendors have giving into subsides and give you every toolbar known to man as well as free trials of many different types of software. What can be more confusing for a non-IT person to deal with? People think "well Google is a pretty good company and the do my email, so I will keep their toolbar - I can't really see how to turn it off anyway." Then you have McAfee fighting for AV software hoping you will sign up in 90 days and so one. Need I go on...
A PC is a great computer for those who wants to format them when they get them and install Windows 7 from the Microsoft DVD and update drivers and get going, but one must look at hour many hours is invested in that and what your normal salary/hr is and determine if it is worth it (or you just want to). And Windows 7 is just as stable as OS X 10.5, 10.6, or 10.7. Windows 7 is rock solid. But so is OS X.
I use Microsoft products to make my living, and they may some wonderful products. But in my opinion, they have two markets they are focused on. The Windows PC can be as comfortable on a corporate desktop joined to a domain as it can at home. The Macintosh is primarily used at home and does a wonderful job at that. It does Microsoft Office well, iWork well, and 10.7 Lion well (if people will give it a chance). It's hard to beat Apple products in their home territory.
When you are comparing two different platforms like that there are many head to head comparisons to go to. I think Apple has done a good job at creating a stable OS with UNIX underpinnings that is hard to beat. Windows 7 is hard to beat with Group Policy integration and Active Directory management for business users. Thankfully, we have not had to reboot our systems daily since the Windows 98 and Mac OS 9.x days. Both are very stable and very reliable for what they are used for.
At the end of the day, it is nice to use something that is different and does not get in my way and allow me to focus on content rather than the OS. And OS X does that for me.
You're comparing a desktop to an all-in-one which isn't a fair comparison. You could spend $1000 on a desktop and get a significantly better system than what $1000 will get for a laptop. What's the reason people want the laptop? The form factor. The same is true of the iMac, having everything-in-one with no cables, clutter, or mess of any kind, is very appealing.
Additionally, many don't want to spend the time or aren't able to build their own system. And you most definitely couldn't build a PC with twice the specs of the iMac for the same price and if you think you can, I challenge you to do so -- let's use the base 2011 $1199 iMac and make sure to include all parts.
The general theme for why people buy Macs seems to be: 1) Mac OS X 2) Design and Build Quality 3) Brilliant Customer Service.
The reason why i use and have been using Mac's over PC's is simple. I like things to work.
To me the difference is either buying a pimped out subaru impreza or mitsubishi lancer OR a Aston Martin. Most PC's are built with high specs, at a low cost for the developer, and building stuff that needs to be super hot for a low price aint a good combo. So myself i would rather buy this expensive piece of gear that i KNOW have good hardware, i know it works and i know its got some mileage to put until i have to exchange it.
Also, ive never had to update graphic drivers in MacOS, i never had to reinstall my OS every 6 months because Windows Swap files are getting bigger and bigger, and i usually dont get random crashes that are somewhat accepted because "That's just normal!"....
Ok, now you might say... "you dont have to do that with this PC" or "reinstalling is not necessary" but it has always been like that with PC for me during the 16-17 years i was using the PC platform. Always SOMETHING that wasnt really right, but with MacOSX it just works and i dont have to care about WHY it is working.....
To me the difference is either buying a pimped out subaru impreza or mitsubishi lancer OR a Aston Martin. Most PC's are built with high specs, at a low cost for the developer, and building stuff that needs to be super hot for a low price aint a good combo. So myself i would rather buy this expensive piece of gear that i KNOW have good hardware, i know it works and i know its got some mileage to put until i have to exchange it.
Also, ive never had to update graphic drivers in MacOS, i never had to reinstall my OS every 6 months because Windows Swap files are getting bigger and bigger, and i usually dont get random crashes that are somewhat accepted because "That's just normal!"....
Ok, now you might say... "you dont have to do that with this PC" or "reinstalling is not necessary" but it has always been like that with PC for me during the 16-17 years i was using the PC platform. Always SOMETHING that wasnt really right, but with MacOSX it just works and i dont have to care about WHY it is working.....
I believe OS X/Mac shipments are at 23% of the market right now.
That's a big chunk of people who never use virus scanners. Hell there's a good market for it - it's just not as easy to make viruses for OS X.
So often people make the case of cost instead of value. I use my iMac for a lot of my hobbies and I can't believe how much value I get out of this machine. Did I pay more for my machine? Of course but look at what it gives me.
DSLR photography is one hobby of mine. You get iPhoto right out of the box. It's simple, elegant and fun. Want to upgrade to Aperture? $80 and a click on the app store and you can download that on multiple machines.
I play music and use Garageband to record. GB comes with the iMac pre installed. Want to use an iMac and record and transfer files to an iPad? Try doing that with a Windows machine and tablet. Will MS charge you $5 for the equivalent of GB on a tablet? No, didn't think so.
Same with upgrades to operating systems. The last two upgrades cost $30. I have installed Lion on three machines for a total of $30. Ten bucks a machine. How much does MS charge?
What do you do when your Windows machine has a problem? Do you go down to the MS store and ask why the 3rd party software isn't working?
DSLR photography is one hobby of mine. You get iPhoto right out of the box. It's simple, elegant and fun. Want to upgrade to Aperture? $80 and a click on the app store and you can download that on multiple machines.
I play music and use Garageband to record. GB comes with the iMac pre installed. Want to use an iMac and record and transfer files to an iPad? Try doing that with a Windows machine and tablet. Will MS charge you $5 for the equivalent of GB on a tablet? No, didn't think so.
Same with upgrades to operating systems. The last two upgrades cost $30. I have installed Lion on three machines for a total of $30. Ten bucks a machine. How much does MS charge?
What do you do when your Windows machine has a problem? Do you go down to the MS store and ask why the 3rd party software isn't working?
This is just stupid.
Performance is just a way to enable functionalities, which are an integral part of the design.
I don't need Deep Blue as my Personal Computer since it is not designed as a Personal Computer and therefore is useless to me. But yes, Deep blue (or any modern equivalent of it, Watson ?) have lot of processing power.
^ Someone with a Mac Pro or a high end iMac teach this guy the meaning of performance...
Again take a look at a Mac Pro. Carved aluminium. It's not dressed up with neon lights. It doesn't have to be-the beauty is inside it.
Really?
No, I mean really?
^ Someone with a Mac Pro or a high end iMac teach this guy the meaning of performance...
Again take a look at a Mac Pro. Carved aluminium. It's not dressed up with neon lights. It doesn't have to be-the beauty is inside it.
Really?
Mac Pros are pretty low-performing machines for the price. They're outdone by the new iMacs in many benchmarks. Besides, to build an identical computer in PC would take about 1/5 the amount of money as buying it prebuilt from Apple.
Such a wrong blanket statement. Single thread yes. But people who buy Mac Pros don't need to rip iTunes any faster. They need to transcode video, run Logic etc. and no iMac can beat the higher end offerings. The 12-core is easily twice as fast. The 6-core is easily 20% faster than i7-2600 on Multi-Threaded apps. The money statement is wrong as well. We are in a cycle where your money will not go very far as Apple are not discount retailers. The price is the price regardless of the source part price or discount. Buy a Pro at the start of the cycle and the price is the same. Xeon dual QPI 6-cores are just not cheap. At launch the 2.93GHz Xeon was 1500.00 per chip cost. so You are at 3000.00 before you have a case, mobo etc. HP is more for their workstations also. Still, to this day.