Why do you guys believe Macs are superior so PC's?

[noripwr]

Macs are great!

I've used Macs before when I was a kid but grew up building PCs and gaming on them because that's what everybody else was doing back when Jazz Jackrabbit, Duke Nukem, and Quake was around. Remember Dual Celeron 300s overclocked to 550mhz each? Those were awesome days. Oh and LucasArt TIE Fighter on floppies.

But then I grew tired of upgrading. Tired of hearing that the next best ATI or nVidia offering was down the corner. Tired of defragging, virus trojan scanning, popups telling me to update Windows, popups telling me to update IE, popups telling me if I want to submit data to improve WMP. Tired of the random crashes and memory dumps because Windows couldn't survive being put to sleep on a routine basis, or survive without having to reset unless I utilized some microresource management trickery.

And most importantly ... tired of fixing my dad's computer for some ad he accidentally clicked.

So I switched to a MBP in 2006. Best investment ever. My productivity shot up. Didn't have to worry about annoying popups. Creating movies and encoding them was a breeze after I searched around and used the right apps. And setting up external monitors was a piece of cake. The machine lasted me until recently when I got myself a 27'' iMac.

Gave my dad the MBP and he's lovin it since. If he's got a problem, he knows how to use Time Machine and get back to before things went bonkers on him. And did I mention how easy it was to bridge my router's connection with Time Capsule?


You might say "oh Mac people just don't know how to use computers"
Well I would say a computer is designed to help us be more productive. Not the other way around. In this day and age, it should be designed to be easy to use by the consumer. If it weren't this case, then we should still be stuck using DOS and the GUI should never have been created.

I would believe that most Windows gamers don't even bother to learn how to use Unix, and still believe that Macs can't play games. Well my iMac plays Battlefield 3 just fine via bootcamp at 2560 x 1440 resolution with ultra settings.

 

[munkery]

In relation to the content of an earlier post in this thread, another example of malware that bypasses DAC in Windows via a kernel vulnerability zero day is in the wild.

Below is a link to the aforementioned post.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/13699396/

The following link is to an article that about this new threat.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/01/duqu_exploits_windows_zero_day/

 

[staralfur]

We don't believe, we know.

 

[Choctaw]

Lots of horn tooting on this thread...

It will never end.........each of us likes to tell folks that our car, boat, wife, education, hair style, or what ever is better, than the fellow who lives next door and has a different view and perspective.

I had a friend at my computer today and showed him this thread. He had a view that has not been written here. He does not have a computer, internet, or cell phone, not even a TV. He thinks in no uncertain terms all that stuff is what's wrong with the world, everybody is all caught up in the next message and what they can add to it. Well not everybody........this fellow seems to be the acception. But I do have him looking at my computer........that's a start.
Choctaw

 

[jha40]

This is why http://youtu.be/hFbGuAA6744 haha.

We had to do a spoof ad project for a marketing class and we all had Macs. Thought it would be funny to spoof all of the problems we had with PCs before we moved over.

You can probably argue either way but pretty safe to say that I enjoy not having to do virus scans and worry about trojans or malware or any of that stuff anymore. Also don't have to worry about random crashing and freezing

 

[afroAnt]

You don't need to buy antivirus which does cost a lot over time

 

[TennisandMusic]

Wow. Its so obvious you really don't know much about computers. Honestly, I'm not saying this to be mean, go out and learn other operating systems. There are plenty to choose from. I'm sure after you do you will realize that a computer, and its software is a tool and some tools are better than others for a job. For gaming, sure have your Windows box. I can't argue that because Windows is the best choice for gaming right now, but its not the best choice for stability. I work with Windows for a living, I know.

For high end work like video editing, 3D modeling and animation, compositing, etc Mac OS and Linux are the choice for performance and stability hence why creative houses use these systems.

Not to mention the whole "outdated" think doesn't hold water. People who buy workstations know they will be buying them to last for years. Just because some processor somewhere bumped doesn't mean that the current machine is any less effective. There is a huge difference between benchmarks and real world use, and for real world use my machine is running just as fast as it did last year when I got it. Outdated? Hardly.

I use Mac at home and Windows 7 at work, and what you say simply isn't true. I am also a computer engineer. I'm not sure where or why you are pulling these statements out, but Mac vs. Windows is (for the most part) personal preference with trade offs on both sides. In fact, I would guess Windows is more "stable" these days. Macs do not run "magic code", nor does Apple hire the best computer scientists, while MS hires rubes. It doesn't work that way.

If you like Mac, then awesome. So do I. But don't lead people astray with falsehoods.

 

[miles01110]

Honestly, I'm not saying this to be mean, go out and learn other operating systems. There are plenty to choose from. I'm sure after you do you will realize that a computer, and its software is a tool and some tools are better than others for a job. For gaming, sure have your Windows box. I can't argue that because Windows is the best choice for gaming right now, but its not the best choice for stability. I work with Windows for a living, I know.

If you had actually used Windows 7 you would not be making this lame argument. Windows 7 is just as stable as OS X.

For high end work like video editing, 3D modeling and animation, compositing, etc Mac OS and Linux are the choice for performance and stability hence why creative houses use these systems.

They are one choice of many. And those that choose one platform over another make the choice based on software licenses that are too expensive to replace.

 

[Xikum]

Wow. Its so obvious you really don't know much about computers. Honestly, I'm not saying this to be mean, go out and learn other operating systems. There are plenty to choose from. I'm sure after you do you will realize that a computer, and its software is a tool and some tools are better than others for a job. For gaming, sure have your Windows box. I can't argue that because Windows is the best choice for gaming right now, but its not the best choice for stability. I work with Windows for a living, I know.

For high end work like video editing, 3D modeling and animation, compositing, etc Mac OS and Linux are the choice for performance and stability hence why creative houses use these systems.

Not to mention the whole "outdated" think doesn't hold water. People who buy workstations know they will be buying them to last for years. Just because some processor somewhere bumped doesn't mean that the current machine is any less effective. There is a huge difference between benchmarks and real world use, and for real world use my machine is running just as fast as it did last year when I got it. Outdated? Hardly.

You also didnt mention that Mac Pros are server-grade components. Dual Xeons are NOT cheap, and people will say they are outdated by things such as the i2500k which tops it on speed; but you can't compare them.

Try run a server on a non-server CPU (e.g. a i5 2500k, i7 2600k) and the CPU will fry. A server grade CPU can handle being run at 100% intensity forever, or as near as. A non-server CPU will crumble over a very short space of time.

Server grade equipment (not just CPUs, RAM also) can handle being pushed to the max 24/7. It is a question of reliability vs speed when it comes to server grade equipment, not the other way around. This is what makes them so expensive; their reliability, not their speed.

That is why the Mac Pros are so expensive. They are not toys.

 

[tnewson]

Yes , macs are expensive ect. PC fanboys always bang on about this. Other peoples money is no concern of yours so mind your own ****ing business.

 

[leman]

I use Mac at home and Windows 7 at work, and what you say simply isn't true. I am also a computer engineer. I'm not sure where or why you are pulling these statements out, but Mac vs. Windows is (for the most part) personal preference with trade offs on both sides. In fact, I would guess Windows is more "stable" these days. Macs do not run "magic code", nor does Apple hire the best computer scientists, while MS hires rubes. It doesn't work that way.

If you like Mac, then awesome. So do I. But don't lead people astray with falsehoods.

As far as pure OS comparison goes, Lion ans Windows 7 are about on par when talking about security, stability and performance (although Windows obviously has better graphics drivers).

For me, Lion has much better usability, because of more bells and whistles: much better system UI overall, quick and easy setup, built-in VPN (an better font rendering (this is subjective, of course), Apple Script and Automator, support for disk images, built-in PDF support, built-in Apache, UNIX console, lots of framework support such as FUSE, excellent programming APIs, free commercial IDE, OpenMeta, great third-party applications with great UI, Time Machine, no fiddling with 32-bit/64-bit versions (kernel seamlessly supports both) etc. These are all things which directly
make my life easier.

As far as hardware comparison goes, I am not aware of any computer maker in the Windows world which would even closely approach the overall quality (as in build quality, usability quality, performance quality, ease-of-use quality, fomt factor quality) of Apple. All Windows laptops I've seen are either too heavy, look like crap (blinking light hello) or feel as if they were to break down each time you lift them. Not mentioning that the touchpads feel like sandpaper. Sure, Apple costs more (which isn't exactly true btw if you look at similar matched in regards to size, form factor, battery life and components windows offerings). But I'd rather pay few hundred more for a computer I enjoy using instead of nerd-raging most of the time.

 

[lesismoor]

In the old days I'd be on the Mac vs. pc thing like stink on......., uh white on rice. But who cares anymore? I've been on a Mac since '88 and only recently been forced to use a pc at work. It really does suck.

You don't want a Mac??? THEN DON'T BUY ONE.

 

[doktordoris]

Because they are.

 

[rick snagwell]

they are so damn sexy. i cant stop looking at my new imac. yummy

 

[doktordoris]

PS I should also point out that someone back there was questioning windows for component stability/performance. As far as I know, Windows has much better benchmarking with identical hardware due to better driver availability. This is obviously not always the case, as it's component by7 component, but drivers and componenet performance are amongst the strengths of Windows, not the weaknesses.

what abject ****tery. Please go away, learn about PCs in general and mac PCs in particular then return and rejoin this debate.

 

[Daikyouju]

Of course a Mac is much better than a PC.

A PC is a very fragmented device because it requires lots of expensive parts to achieve performance. Not just a very powerful processor, the latest GPU or the most customizable main board. Also it requires a good computer case and a trusty power supply, an effective cooling system, so you can over clock your processor and squeeze a little more speed. In the mean time, you realize you become a benchmark geek and nothing else. And the worst part is that Windows 7 is WASTING all your powerful hardware in its stupid tasks and services.

I was using dell computers for a long time, around 10 years. Nice specs, but Windows is the greatest crap ever created for computing.

If I moved to Mac is because I love the design, the style and I enjoyed iOS devices like the iPod touch and the IPad. All of them just work. I don't ever worry about installing antivirus, anti spyware because a Mac doesn't get infected so easily as a windows pc. I forgot about USB flash drive worms and all that stuff.

I am a OS X and Linux user (Ubuntu). I use windows eventually to type some stuff at work but it is no longer my primary OS.

 

[WGoins88]

Why are they superior? Because they just "work". That's all I can say about Macs.

I own both, a Dual 1.25 MDD, and a 2 year old Core2 Duo Dell laptop. Guess which one gives me more trouble. Yup... the Dell.

 

[Daikyouju]

Why are they superior? Because they just "work". That's all I can say about Macs.

I own both, a Dual 1.25 MDD, and a 2 year old Core2 Duo Dell laptop. Guess which one gives me more trouble. Yup... the Dell.

and of course the culprit is not just the hardware. Its the Windows 7 OS.

 

[colonelbutt]

Of course a Mac is much better than a PC.

A PC is a very fragmented device because it requires lots of expensive parts to achieve performance. Not just a very powerful processor, the latest GPU or the most customizable main board. Also it requires a good computer case and a trusty power supply, an effective cooling system, so you can over clock your processor and squeeze a little more speed. In the mean time, you realize you become a benchmark geek and nothing else. And the worst part is that Windows 7 is WASTING all your powerful hardware in its stupid tasks and services.
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I'm curious

How is this any different from OS X

or are you seriously saying that OS X Lion would run better on 5 year old hardware then Windows 7, which BTW is faster then both Vista and XP!

It is posts like this that remove all credibility for the pro Mac argument.

Arguing that a Mac is more then a sum of its parts, or better designed, or nicer user interface, or apple has great customer support, are all subjective but valid personal statements.

Comparing a custom user built PC to a Apple built Mac, and going on about nonsense about services which can be third party, on a very fast OS (e.g. Win 7) is pure rubbish

 

[Daikyouju]

I'm curious

How is this any different from OS X

or are you seriously saying that OS X Lion would run better on 5 year old hardware then Windows 7, which BTW is faster then both Vista and XP!

It is posts like this that remove all credibility for the pro Mac argument.

Arguing that a Mac is more then a sum of its parts, or better designed, or nicer user interface, or apple has great customer support, are all subjective but valid personal statements.

Comparing a custom user built PC to a Apple built Mac, and going on about nonsense about services which can be third party, on a very fast OS (e.g. Win 7) is pure rubbish

Wait, i never said OS X LION. I just said OS X. That means OS X Snow Leopard is comparable to Windows 7, Leopard with Vista and so on.

And every OS X was better than it windows counterpart, because Windows 7 (and every latest windows version) includes bloat services and rubbish that forces you to upgrade your hardware just for *running* the operating system. Thats why you see LOTS of windows benchmarking.

or are you seriously saying that OS X Lion would run better on 5 year old hardware then Windows 7, which BTW is faster then both Vista and XP!

That's impossible. XP is the most stable and faster windows version ever made, thats why microsoft expanded its support until 2014.

 

[colonelbutt]

That's impossible. XP is the most stable and faster windows version ever made, thats why microsoft expanded its support until 2014.

Haven't you used or read any reviews on Windows 7?
It sure runs faster on my netbook then XP

 

[MonkeySee....]

As far as pure OS comparison goes, Lion and Windows 7 are about on par when talking about security, stability and performance

Thats a bold statement and i'd disagree with all three points.

Not that it matters.

 

[leman]

Wow, you are really making Mac users look bad with your comments.

Wait, i never said OS X LION. I just said OS X. That means OS X Snow Leopard is comparable to Windows 7, Leopard with Vista and so on.

And every OS X was better than it windows counterpart, because Windows 7 (and every latest windows version) includes bloat services and rubbish that forces you to upgrade your hardware just for *running* the operating system. Thats why you see LOTS of windows benchmarking.

You see a lot of windows benchmarking because there are lots of companies producing windows-compatible hardware. Yeah, windows can include some potentially slow services, but so does OS X (drive indexing anyone?). And Windows 7 runs great on reasonable hardware, hell, its almost as fast as Ubuntu on my of my GF's old Acer ^^

That's impossible. XP is the most stable and faster windows version ever made, thats why microsoft expanded its support until 2014.

Windows XP is a bloated and unstable piece of crap. The reason why people still use it because they are still afraid of the new features Vista and 7 had: like window compositor which did suck in Vista and improved security features like proper user access right at last (look, my crappy software crashes because it tries to write to a system directory, Vista must suck!). When I still was on Windows, I had to reinstall XP every 3rd month because the filesystem and system services got corrupted and the whole thing didn't want to boot anymore. Never had problems like these with Vista.

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Thats a bold statement and i'd disagree with all three points.

Not that it matters.

Then look up the benchmarks and security reviews.

That does not matter though, you are right - Windows may be fast but its still a usability and productivity nightmare compared to OS X. I would gladly delete Bootcamp from my machine if not for gaming

 

[colonelbutt]

I think we have reached the point, after 225 posts, that everything has been said multiple times

There is alot of anecdotal rubbish

This thread is not going to change anyones minds

I like Win 7 and OS X. They both have their uses and they both keep each other on their toes

Apple provides a better, slighter easier to use overall package deal
Windows provides more compatibility, software and hardware tweakability

Pays your money and takes your choice

 

[andrewlgm]

Honestly I'm curious why you believe that Macs are better than PC's?

For the amount of money you would spend on a iMac you could build a PC with twice the specs. Hell I bet my $900 PC could outperform any of your iMacs.

The design seems to be the main selling points for Macs, why? If you have any sense you would know that performance is better than design.

I'm not trying to troll or say that Macs are bad I'm just wondering why you guys think this.

Wow, you got -42 votes for posting a question. If that doesn't speak bias I don't know what does. I'm a mac user and I don't for a second believe macs are superior to windows. I'm quite proficient in both worlds and I find myself missing features of either one whenever I switch at work, home or school.

Our planet works on a system almost entirely backed up by windows - our banks, our delivery companies, garbage collection, traffic systems, and the world still moves along. To a poor college student who doesn't have $999 to spend on a mac, a $299 PC is a life saver under every circumstance.