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It's inefficient, unintuitive, unstable, unsafe, unfast and ungood.

It's unfast because of all the anti-spyware, anti-virus and other junk that's need to make it passably secured. I only use Windows for gaming, so my Windows runs with out the usual entourage. This makes keeps it from being unfast,;) but it makes it double ungood.:(

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength
 
I don't hate Windows. I just like Mac OS better. I don't have nearly the problems that I do running Windows.
 
I don't hate Windows. I just like Mac OS better. I don't have nearly the problems that I do running Windows.

+1.

Main reason I don't like this Dell is that it doesn't have Mac OS on it. It isn't too slow(could be much worse) and I haven't had too many issues with spyware and the like(or at least so says McAfee's Internet Security Suite). I just don't like it as much.
 
I don't hate Vista, I just find that for most things it takes significantly longer to do than in OSX. I also have yet to find anything (that I do, I don't play games) that Windows does better than OSX.

Consequently I'm not totally sure why I have a 40GB partition on my hard drive for Vista, but I like to play around in it every once in a while.

Exactly, everything in Vista is done ass backwards. My nieces Gateway laptop came with a wireless card built in and a button next to the trackpad to turn it on, but then you had to go deep into Vista to turn it on there too! In OS X you just click an icon on the menu bar. Plus Vista runs you around in circles. I was trying to connect to a wireless network and was told to go here, then when I got there was told to go back to the other place, and it was just a never ending cycle. And don't even get me started on how Vista will try and repair problems itself :rolleyes:.
 
Exactly, everything in Vista is done ass backwards. My nieces Gateway laptop came with a wireless card built in and a button next to the trackpad to turn it on, but then you had to go deep into Vista to turn it on there too! In OS X you just click an icon on the menu bar. Plus Vista runs you around in circles. I was trying to connect to a wireless network and was told to go here, then when I got there was told to go back to the other place, and it was just a never ending cycle. And don't even get me started on how Vista will try and repair problems itself :rolleyes:.

If you can't connect to a wireless network, I think it might be more of the user's problem and not vista.


A lot of people I see bash Vista when they never really had a chance to use it. You can't install it on old hardware, and you have to make sure your hardware is compatible. I laugh at the people complaining it runs like crap on 5+ year old computer. And don't say "yea well I just got a brand new computer and it still runs like crap". I know they are selling prebuilt computers that can barely run Vista, and people buy them thinking it will be all great. It won't. You need recent, reliable hardware. I installed Vista Ultimate 64 bit on my computer, and I made sure I had all of the drivers pre downloaded and it all works perfectly. Everything works perfectly. Never froze, no blue screens, etc. You need to know what you are doing installing new operating systems. You can't just assume it will work on your hardware.

Also, to you people saying Windows crashes all the time, constant errors, constad BSOD's, there has to be a user problem there because that won't happen unless you seriously do not know what you are doing.



That is the end of my rant.
 
If you can't connect to a wireless network, I think it might be more of the user's problem and not vista.


A lot of people I see bash Vista when they never really had a chance to use it. You can't install it on old hardware, and you have to make sure your hardware is compatible. I laugh at the people complaining it runs like crap on 5+ year old computer. And don't say "yea well I just got a brand new computer and it still runs like crap". I know they are selling prebuilt computers that can barely run Vista, and people buy them thinking it will be all great. It won't. You need recent, reliable hardware. I installed Vista Ultimate 64 bit on my computer, and I made sure I had all of the drivers pre downloaded and it all works perfectly. Everything works perfectly. Never froze, no blue screens, etc. You need to know what you are doing installing new operating systems. You can't just assume it will work on your hardware.

Also, to you people saying Windows crashes all the time, constant errors, constad BSOD's, there has to be a user problem there because that won't happen unless you seriously do not know what you are doing.



That is the end of my rant.

Nice rant. :rolleyes: The operating system is supposed to be designed for the end user, the end user isn't supposed to have to learn how to put together an OS and make it run. This is a big fault in Windows, the user base is like 90% of the population. Do you think 90% of the population knows what a driver is? Or DLL? Nein. They don't. They just expect the operating system to work for them. They shouldn't have to work for the operating system. If something isn't straight forward (like joining a network apparently) then the OS writer has failed. If an end user has to go to the command prompt in order to fix a problem the OS designers/writers have failed. If an end user has to reinstall the OS because of constant crashing those responsible for the OS have failed.
 
I love Vista because people hate me for using it. I love Vista because ignorant people bash Vista because it's the trendy thing to do. I love Vista because I don't experience any hardships you speak of having when you "use" Vista.
 
The three most annoying things about Vista:
1 - SLOOOOWWWW filesystem and network performance, specially when copying files over the network
2 - Configuring a network is a PITA
3- They moved things around just for the sake of moving it, with no benefit whatsoever. You get used after a while, but need lots of "mental retraining" to get it working correctly.

My mother does love Vista's new UI, though (she's not technical at all, though).

That being said, I have to recognize that Windows Server 2003 and 2008 are great products. I just finished a deployment using 2003 SMB (main server) and 2008 (Terminal Services - the RemoteApp feature is great), and they are stable as a rock, and, after a little learning curve, not that hard to manage (even though the tuning stage took us longer than planned).
 
I like XP, a little less than OSX but a LOT better than Vista. I'd fight tooth and nail to replace Vista with XP if I get a new PC.

I don't get why they made XP so fast and raw, then slow things down with Vista. XP's achilles heel was the speed.
 
Nice rant. :rolleyes: The operating system is supposed to be designed for the end user, the end user isn't supposed to have to learn how to put together an OS and make it run. This is a big fault in Windows, the user base is like 90% of the population. Do you think 90% of the population knows what a driver is? Or DLL? Nein. They don't. They just expect the operating system to work for them. They shouldn't have to work for the operating system. If something isn't straight forward (like joining a network apparently) then the OS writer has failed. If an end user has to go to the command prompt in order to fix a problem the OS designers/writers have failed. If an end user has to reinstall the OS because of constant crashing those responsible for the OS have failed.

I had no problem joining my home network. It was easier than xp.
I have never had to go to the command prompt.
I've never had a crash and have not had to reinstall.

I don't I actually love Vista. It works perfectly and never causes me any problems. I wouldn't change a thing! For serious!

I agree!

I love Vista because people hate me for using it. I love Vista because ignorant people bash Vista because it's the trendy thing to do. I love Vista because I don't experience any hardships you speak of having when you "use" Vista.

I agree again! It seems like a lot of people see some people saying "OMG VISTA SUZKKKZ" So they automatically think that. Actually try it and even if you have any problems, try to fix them. Usually it is very simple.

The three most annoying things about Vista:
1 - SLOOOOWWWW filesystem and network performance, specially when copying files over the network
2 - Configuring a network is a PITA
3- They moved things around just for the sake of moving it, with no benefit whatsoever. You get used after a while, but need lots of "mental retraining" to get it working correctly.

My mother does love Vista's new UI, though (she's not technical at all, though).

That being said, I have to recognize that Windows Server 2003 and 2008 are great products. I just finished a deployment using 2003 SMB (main server) and 2008 (Terminal Services - the RemoteApp feature is great), and they are stable as a rock, and, after a little learning curve, not that hard to manage (even though the tuning stage took us longer than planned).


SP1 seems to have fixed that problem. (Even though I never had it in the first place)
 
If you can't connect to a wireless network, I think it might be more of the user's problem and not vista.


A lot of people I see bash Vista when they never really had a chance to use it. You can't install it on old hardware, and you have to make sure your hardware is compatible. I laugh at the people complaining it runs like crap on 5+ year old computer. And don't say "yea well I just got a brand new computer and it still runs like crap". I know they are selling prebuilt computers that can barely run Vista, and people buy them thinking it will be all great. It won't. You need recent, reliable hardware. I installed Vista Ultimate 64 bit on my computer, and I made sure I had all of the drivers pre downloaded and it all works perfectly. Everything works perfectly. Never froze, no blue screens, etc. You need to know what you are doing installing new operating systems. You can't just assume it will work on your hardware.

Also, to you people saying Windows crashes all the time, constant errors, constad BSOD's, there has to be a user problem there because that won't happen unless you seriously do not know what you are doing.



That is the end of my rant.

I agree almost 100% with this rant. I found no problem connecting to my wireless network, or any of my friends; it's as simple as could be. I also agree that good hardware is needed, not base of the line machines. Before one buys a computer, they should make sure it is powerful enough; not just to do what they need, but to be able to do what the computer needs. However, I don't agree with you when you say constant BSOD's are user errors; on my computer, I was constantly getting BSOD's that rendered the computer in an unusable state. Upon calling HP, they told me to do some sort of test on the hard drive which ended up telling me the HD was dying. When I replaced it, it ran as good as new, if not a little better (except it's still loud as hell). The dying hard drive was no fault of mine; I don't think I was rough enough to actually have damaged it.
 
My place of work sells vista on the new pcs how ever i still favor XP. We are also a Authorized Mac Reseller! ( nice excuse to bring my macbook to work)

Vista is annoying for the following reasons

1) Slow
2) Viruses
3) UAC
4) Spyware
5) It has to calculate everything when your moving / copying or deleting
6) Transferring data is a pain. With xp you can just copy the whole profile over the top of the new one but vista you can't has to be imported manually
7) Every thing has moved making it longer for you to find things
8) copied OS X
9) Slow
10) keeps winging that it wants you to reboot and install updates.
11. Welcome screen looks terrible like that thought that up over night
12. Extra step to shut down the system.
13. Doesn't work with SMB shares, you have to perform a registry hack for this to work.
 
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Well...I don't "hate" Windows. It is very much usable with common sense and maybe a little technical knowledge applied but I'm still not going to use it as my primary OS any time soon. I use it ( rather fix it for customers ) daily. It does seem a bit more unstable though. This isn't completely Microsoft's fault since there are practically infinite combination of software and hardware to adjust for.

However...

Vista Home Premium x64 installed less than a month ago on my MacBook ( Boot Camp ) which is always fully updated and protected from viruses / spyware already has an issue that came from nowhere ( as far as I know ). I mainly use it for customer data backups and recoveries, so it isn't used every day necessarily. Either way, the BFE ( Base Filtering Engine ) service has suddenly started creating a boot BSoD. I just disabled it for now since it mainly deals with the Windows Firewall, general network security, and I really just need the computer to keep working as time is very much $$$ but still very frustrating and I haven't found a fix yet for it.
 
I had no problem joining my home network. It was easier than xp.
I have never had to go to the command prompt.
I've never had a crash and have not had to reinstall.
I agree!
I agree again! It seems like a lot of people see some people saying "OMG VISTA SUZKKKZ" So they automatically think that. Actually try it and even if you have any problems, try to fix them. Usually it is very simple.
SP1 seems to have fixed that problem. (Even though I never had it in the first place)

okay... your anecdotes don't speak for everyone else. So what if you haven't had to reinstall? How in anyway is that relevant? I've never ever had a Kernel Panic on any Mac computer I've used. Does that mean anything relevant about how stable OSX is? Nope. Why? Because Kernel Panics do happen and I know that many people have issues with them occurring often. Sure they don't happen as often as BSODs, but they do happen.

PS: my mom has a Mac that she has never done a clean install on that (I think) has been running since OS 9, and is currently running OS 10.4, every install of a new OS has been an update and install. Does that mean anything relevant? Nope, because it's just another anecdote.
Let's see some numbers.

Post scriptum part duex: I've lived in a Mac/PC household growing up. When we buy a new computer it's not Mac vs. PC, it's what computer would work best for what we want to do with it. Sometimes it's Macs other times it's PC's. I'd say I have an equal amount of experience with both, although I have a much greater knowledge and understanding regarding Macs.
 
I don't actually hate Vista. :eek: All OS's have pros and cons. ;)

What I don't Like:
1. Backward compatibility going back too far. Produces redundant, unoptimized code. It all causes slowed performance.
2. Inconsistent UI. Having to go through multiple drop down menus to find settings I need.
3. Poor security implementation. Open ports in particular. Requisite AV/Mal ware is almost a virus itself.
4. Constant nagging for updates. (Not just OS though).

What I do Like:
1. Hardware possibilities.
2. Networks fairly well.
3. Support availability, particularly at the enterprise level.

OS X has issues/quirks as well. For me, the lack/limitations of available hardware is a problem. (Particularly RAID that works with multiple OS's and graphics solutions).

/end of rant :)
 
I was on the Hate Vista bandwagon, then I actually installed it and sat down and tried it properly.

I think it's a very nice slick OS, it may use more resources than XP but it seems 'snappier'

Networking was a doddle, no crashes, even UAC isn't as annoying as i thought, it's actually quite logical (if you think from a security point of view).

I love the little things like the search in the start menu bar which is on par with spotlight, i think.

Media Centre is awesome, it's really nice to use, pity most of it is WMV/WMA and all my songs are in AAC :( a plugin to read itunes library would be nice :p
 
It has to calculate everything when your moving / copying or deleting

It took me 541 seconds to copy my 10.3gb itunes library with 3,347 files and folders (all according to my filesystem). It took me another 0 seconds to move that copy, and it took me another 3 seconds to delete that copy.

To ballpark that with my system, I can copy a 10gb file (exactly 10gb) in 234 seconds.

Care to post your results?

Sure they don't happen as often as BSODs, but they do happen.

Can we see some numbers?

Let's see some numbers.

What numbers are you specifically referring to?
 
Last year August I bought a Vaio with Vista Home Premium. The OS feels like a big pile of little programs that are thrown together called an OS. there is no consistent feel.

I had big wireless conncetino problems. So I though let's see whether the problem solving app is smarter than the XP one. Forget it! These things are totally useless and put you on a wrong path. I just want to turn teh thing on and have it connect automatically.

I switched to a MBP in februari. I came home, got a beer, turned it on and it connected without a problem. In a few minutes I was working, whereas on the Vaio it took me much (as in a few hours) more, beause I needed to figure out all these complicated settings that only network administrators understand.

It's as one of the posters above already mentioned. 90% of users don't know anything about configuration etc etc. Keep the OS simple and smart like Apple does, so we can get on with working.

I wish they would concentrate on usability in stead of Aero interfaces and B*LLSH*T like that.
 
I don't hate Windows but I prefer Mac. In fact, I find OS X to be more irritating but those are lesser irritations compared to few major vein blowers in Windows.
 
The boot time did it for me, running XP, if I hurried, I could make a coffee and be back in time to see the desktop load up...

On Vista though, I walked/swam the 8000 miles to Columbia, looked around at all the coffee providers in the region, worked on some business models, created a brand image and retail packaging, presented it to dragons den, got rejected, got bought out by nescafe for double what Duncan "my biscuits in my tea" Bannatyne offered me, blew it all in the stock market, wound up back here, only to find the PC had BSOD'd over my graphics card...

I love unproductive days :D

In all seriousness though, I find Vista incredibly slow when compared to XP...
 
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