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On Vista though, I walked/swam the 8000 miles to Columbia, looked around at all the coffee providers in the region, worked on some business models, created a brand image and retail packaging, presented it to dragons den, got rejected, got bought out by nescafe for double what Duncan "my biscuits in my tea" Bannatyne offered me, blew it all in the stock market, wound up back here, only to find the PC had BSOD'd over my graphics card...

Best. Post. Ever! :D
 
It took me 541 seconds to copy my 10.3gb itunes library with 3,347 files and folders (all according to my filesystem). It took me another 0 seconds to move that copy, and it took me another 3 seconds to delete that copy.

To ballpark that with my system, I can copy a 10gb file (exactly 10gb) in 234 seconds.

Care to post your results?

Again I don't think you know what anecdotal evidence is and how it has absolutely nothing to do with the OS Microsoft has put out. (PS, I can't find any 10.3GB files, my iTunes says it's 53.4GB)

What numbers are you specifically referring to?

I'm referring to statistics on how often people get BSODs in comparison to kernel panics.
 
I can't find any. :(

Neither could I. That was my point. :)
It's strange to me. It seems I can find statistics on some of the most obscure, strange, ... crap I can think of, but not this. :eek:

Maybe M$ is paying out bribes to keep such details quiet? ;) :p
This could be the reason the price is going up. :eek: :D
 
I hate how Windows treats you like an absolute idiot. My girlfriend's HP computer pops up a bubble when she PLUGS IN HEADPHONES! Good god, do people need to be told what they just did?

So, technical shortcomings aside, Windows design just really bothers me. It gets in your way too often.

Also, I feel like Mac OS programs are much higher quality. Look at Adium, Quicksilver, OmniOutliner/Graffle, Scrivener, etc. Those are apps that have no peers, quality-wise, on the PC.
 
Have never used Vista. Had to google BSOD to find out what it was.

Seriously? Have you never used Windows at all or are you just one of the rare people that not only never got a blue screen, you've never even seen/heard of one? I'm not trying to be mean, by the way.
 
I dislike Windows because of how unstable it is. It also doesn't help that there is almost no real security. I say this because, yesterday, a co-worker of mine was able to low-level format his C: drive, while still using Windows until the screen went black. In OS X you couldn't do that because the Drive is locked, and you couldn't do it from within OS X as it would have safeguards asking you for passwords and making sure you want to wipe your boot partition.

TEG
 
Fanboys yell a lot, but I think most of us don't have deep feelings such as love or hate towards an operating system.

I find Windows rather annoying, but that's about it. It keeps informing me about stuff I already know or don't care about. If I have unused icons on my desktop that's my business. If the software firewall is off, it's probably because I turned it off. No, I don't want to activate Sticky Keys, and I really don't want to restart every 5 seconds, just as I don't understand why I have to call Microsoft to reactivate, when I play around with the hardware or reinstall on a new computer.

That being said, most of the applications I use are already pre-installed in OS X, whereas that is not the case in Windows. A brief rundown:

1) Latex. OS X: sudo port install texlive. Windows: I'm told it can be done.
2) Grep etc. OS X: preinstalled. Windows: Install Cygwin, but still feels kinda foreign to the OS.
3) Subversion, Java, Ruby, Python, vim, emacs. OS X: preinstalled. Windows: Needs installation.
4) NFS. OS X: works great. Windows: PITA to install and rather slow.
5) ssh: OS X: preinstalled. Windows: Putty is actually almost as good, but needs to be installed.

...No contest really :)
 
Fanboys yell a lot, but I think most of us don't have deep feelings such as love or hate towards an operating system.

I find Windows rather annoying, but that's about it. It keeps informing me about stuff I already know or don't care about. If I have unused icons on my desktop that's my business. If the software firewall is off, it's probably because I turned it off. No, I don't want to activate Sticky Keys, and I really don't want to restart every 5 seconds, just as I don't understand why I have to call Microsoft to reactivate, when I play around with the hardware or reinstall on a new computer.

That being said, most of the applications I use are already pre-installed in OS X, whereas that is not the case in Windows. A brief rundown:

1) Latex. OS X: sudo port install texlive. Windows: I'm told it can be done.
2) Grep etc. OS X: preinstalled. Windows: Install Cygwin, but still feels kinda foreign to the OS.
3) Subversion, Java, Ruby, Python, vim, emacs. OS X: preinstalled. Windows: Needs installation.
4) NFS. OS X: works great. Windows: PITA to install and rather slow.
5) ssh: OS X: preinstalled. Windows: Putty is actually almost as good, but needs to be installed.

...No contest really :)

Now try that with Linux, and see what happens. ;) :p
 
Because in the past I have had my (windows) computer crash on me and that's just not acceptable. Also read every other reason before me
 
Now try that with Linux, and see what happens. ;) :p

True, and I like Linux a lot, but the GUI part of Linux is not particularly inspiring. In fact, I was a Linux user for years (and still am) before picking up OS X six months ago. One of the reason was, that there was a lot of talk about a 3D animated desktop environment for Linux called Compiz/Fusion. I liked it, but it dawned on me that what I thought to be the most useful features of Compiz/Fusion where actually carbon copies of features Apple, to my knowledge, had invented, such as Exposé, hot corners etc. Also, it was buggy.

So why not go to the source? :)
 
Again I don't think you know what anecdotal evidence is and how it has absolutely nothing to do with the OS Microsoft has put out. (PS, I can't find any 10.3GB files, my iTunes says it's 53.4GB)



I'm referring to statistics on how often people get BSODs in comparison to kernel panics.

I was replying to another person who said said that copies/moves/deletes where slow in Vista. It's quite clear that it's not. Copy your 53.4GB then. If Macs are "better" than Vista PCs, then it shouldn't be any longer than 46 minutes 44 seconds or so for your library. This wasn't initially directed at you, but rather the person who said this was why he didn't like Vista.

I was also replying to you (apparent from my multiple quotes) where you make a baseless claim.
 
I hate how Windows treats you like an absolute idiot. My girlfriend's HP computer pops up a bubble when she PLUGS IN HEADPHONES! Good god, do people need to be told what they just did?

So, technical shortcomings aside, Windows design just really bothers me. It gets in your way too often.

Also, I feel like Mac OS programs are much higher quality. Look at Adium, Quicksilver, OmniOutliner/Graffle, Scrivener, etc. Those are apps that have no peers, quality-wise, on the PC.

Yeah, I hate it when Windoze does that! And when you unplug them its like "you just unplugged your headphones" no ya dont say! :D

Also, UAC on Vista is soooooo annoying! The only reason its there is coz Microsoft cant make any real security so they try to make it look like the user's fault for ignoring the annoying pop-up message! :mad:
 
It all boils down to user interface for me.

I'm a graphic designer. At home, I use a Mac. At work, I'm stuck using an XP box.

As a designer, I routinely have InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, Distiller, Email, Word, Excel and a few browser windows open.

On my Mac, I can easily put one window on top of the other and switch back and forth. Even if I can't, I can always use Expose.

On XP, all programs open up in thier root window. That means I can't physically place an Illustrator document window on top of an InDesign document window. It's blocked by the program's root window. That means I have to minimize one to access the other. Secondly, the Windows taskbar tells me nothing other than a filename. I don't get a visual representation of the file like I do in the dock. Finally, when I have all of my programs open, occasionally Windows will just refuse to open any more windows. No warning. Nothing. It just won't work. And that is very frustrating having to hunt around anc close windows and programs just to open another. Doesn't happen on my Mac.

I've been using this XP box for 4 months now. Already, the IT department has me scheduled for a replacement because of the problems which I haven't actually mentioned in my ranty paragraph above.

To sum up, I find using Windows to be a lot more frustrating than it needs to be.
 
True, and I like Linux a lot, but the GUI part of Linux is not particularly inspiring. In fact, I was a Linux user for years (and still am) before picking up OS X six months ago_One of the reason was, that there was a lot of talk about a 3D animated desktop environment for Linux called Compiz/Fusion. I liked it, but it dawned on me that what I thought to be the most useful features of Compiz/Fusion where actually carbon copies of features Apple, to my knowledge, had invented, such as Exposé, hot corners etc. Also, it was buggy.

So why not go to the source? :)

I'd have to agree with the UI assessment. ;)
It's getting better though. Keeping in mind that it's Open Source/GNU developed, it's improving at an astonishing rate. No major corporations controlling and screwing up everything.

I'm also in the switching category, so OS X is fairly new.
I also like options. OS X, Linux, Vista all on one machine. Sweet! :D

Simply put, "I want it all!". :p
 
I don't hate Windows. I use both Mac OS X and Windows regularly. Why is choosing one a vote against the other?

Why can't you people just buy a computer and use it?
 
The largest problem I have with Windows in general is that I found that I had little idea how to actually do things, even after using for years. True, I've seen many a blue screen, pressed many a ctrl+alt+delete, dealt with many sluggish applications, and have sat through the turmoil of the slew of virus protection programs that never worked but sucked up resources anyway, and certainly those all contributed to my hatred, but really, the operating system is just so counterproductive to me that I just felt like I had no idea what I was doing. A couple months after realizing this, I relieved my Windows XP based desktop PC of duty and bought a MacBook... I knew more about it in 2 days than I had ever known about Windows in my years of using it.
 
Granted, this is one of the biggest Mac forums on the web, but just hang in there. I hear a lot of people complaining about Windows like it's the most evil thing ever created. Now, of course, Windows has it's faults, but so does OS X. What bothers me the most is how much people hate on Vista. As I said in an earlier post, I don't hate Vista, I just think it's kind of slow. I really hate how much people hate on an OS when it seems they don't get the chance to fully appreciate it to its full extent. So just post why you hate Windows, or why you don't. I'm (as I said before) especially interested in posts regarding Vista.

A thread asking about why Vista sucks on a Mac forum?

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I don't hate Windows 2K or XP in classic mode. I hate what they did to Vista though vs what it was suppose to be. My loyalty lies with whats best. If Windows 7 is the holy grail of what I'm looking for, I'll switch in a heartbeat.
 
I'd have to agree with the UI assessment. ;)
It's getting better though. Keeping in mind that it's Open Source/GNU developed, it's improving at an astonishing rate. No major corporations controlling and screwing up everything.

Actually, I disagree somewhat. If you look at the oldest successful UI still in use today, the terminal, there's actually quite a bit of convergence. GNU tools have a way of working the same way. For example, they are normally able to take input from standard input, do some sort of transformation, and output to standard output. Options will also take a general form. If you look into the specific OS X command-line tools, you will probably notice that a lot of them do not adhere very closely to the traditional way of doing things, and that's usually a bad thing.

When it comes to GUI, Gnome and KDE are still fairly new. Although some things are standardized, a lot of applications have very different opinions on how to interact with the user. For example there's the old X11 cut & paste vs. the newer windows version (CTRL+C/CTRL+V) vs. Emacs vs. vi etc. Keyboard shortcuts are all over the map, so to speak. Even though there is a lot of innovation, there is little agreement on visual cues or basic functionalty, which causes confusion, frustration, and a steep learning curve.

In contrast, the GUI in OS X seems very consistent. Keyboard shortcut tend to generally mean the same thing over several applications and visual cues are similar. This leads to a rather different experience, and I have no doubt that the underlying cause of this is a strict philosophy within Apple. So one company making the decisions is actually not always a bad idea, and this is difficult to achieve with a more free development model.

I would therefore be very doubtful that the open source movement will be able to achieve the level of consistency we see in OS X today. I'm not saying that completely invalidates the value of the open source movement, but it's not the silver bullet of software development either.
 
my reasons for disliking vista, it works therefore the market of its users are people who are new to computers, which in turn makes it a little bit harder for more advanced users to get what they want out of it. if i had 2k laying around i would buy a macbook in a heart beat, but sadly i just wasted a lot on my vehicle:cool:
 
The Window's demon turd from hell. aka registry

The REGISTRY.

It is a total disaster waiting to happen. Unless, of course, you have already been soiled by this delightful, spontaneous, demon turd from hell.

I have been a NIX'er since my early DOMAIN and HP-UX days and I have to say the Window's registry is, without a doubt, the biggest, the smelliest, steaming pile of ***** I have ever encountered.

If the file system lacks folders such as /bin, /etc, /dev and /users, I want nothing to do with it.
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Anxiously awaiting ZFS.
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