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Why do you hate Windows (especially Vista)?

sangosimo said:
I hate that windows works on all my hardware.
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I hate that Windows doesn't work with my hardware, at least my Cinergy DVB-T reciever. OSX handles it fine, handles all my hardware fine. XP recognises and installs drivers for it and on the next bootup it would have forgotten all about it.

Hate when Windows does that.
 
sangosimo said:
I hate that windows works on all my hardware.
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I hate that windows doesn't work properly on any hardware I've ever owned. I hate that windows just doesn't work properly.

Rodimus Prime said:
wow you complain when Microsoft did that but when apple (switching to OSX) did it people praised them for it.... typical.....
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Completely different thing, and you know it.
 
I think a lot of you are just trying to hate Windows.

Unless you don't know your way around, I can't see how it would have so many issues(I've never even found hardware that Vista couldn't find drivers for).

Hating Vista isnt cool, and hating Vista isn't a requirement for using OS X, remember that the opposite of love is apathy, such as how I feel towards Linux.
 
haterade

I think mac people are spoiled due to the fact that generally speaking, the Mac is a closed system and thereby Apple controls the drivers, the software, the hardware, etc. That being said, anyone using bootcamp knows that most of the chipsets and components (networking, video, sound, etc) are all from 3rd party manufacturers in a Mac (Marvell for the Lan, Realtek for the audio, etc). They're all just integrated and implemented to Apple's specs and Apple controls the OS. PC's have generally been more open, no real quality control from different vendors, and no enforcement of interoperability of technology. Anytime you have something open like that, you're prone to issues. Especially drivers, since the OS manufacturer (MICROSOFT) isn't the one creating them.

I don't think blaming Microsoft for this problem and the OS in general is warranted.

As a soon to be a new Mac user, I have to say this: I've had had my Vista Ultimate 64 box running for over a year acting as a DVR, gaming machine, a video input device (an XBOX and a TiVo are hooked up to it), and my day to day home PC, it has only occasionally froze up on me on some misbehaving website, with email sometimes, or some shareware app. I can't imagine doing all that with my new Mac just based on the hardware and software I see available for it. Not to mention this forced standards issue - Display miniport (WTF???). How about HDMI or something more commonly used Apple? No ESATA when it was recently announced that Firewire is DEAD!?!? No Blue-ray option??

Bottom line, don't blame the OS for hardware issues and business decisions.
 
I just find that once I fix windows, there's nothing left to do. Or I'd break it again.
 
yatman said:
I They're all just integrated and implemented to Apple's specs and Apple controls the OS. PC's have generally been more open, no real quality control from different vendors, and no enforcement of interoperability of technology. Anytime you have something open like that, you're prone to issues. Especially drivers, since the OS manufacturer (MICROSOFT) isn't the one creating them.
I don't think blaming Microsoft for this problem and the OS in general is warranted.
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The diversity of PC hardware doesn't force MS to :
  • Reboot your machine without permission
  • Nag you with stupid baloon tip messages
  • Create crappy browsers
  • have you make X number of clicks just to shutdown your machine
  • Prone to viruses or browser exploits
  • Not create a UI to disable/remove a laptop's IR sensor

My point is that there are many criticisms that one can make of Windows that have absolutely nothing to do with the diversity of PC hardware.
 
I don't like Windows, and only use it when I have to. Vista's application-specific volume control panel where you can mute one window of anything at a time, however, is really neat.

@yatman: A mac can be a dvr just as easily as a pc. The topic comes up here often, there's a search bar at the top. On a macbook pro, you can have esata if you want, from a expresscard34 add-on. Mini displayport is hdmi-compatible, cables will come soon. The vast majority of laptops that include firewire just include a four wire port for video cameras, and you can get a usb cable for that conversion, about $19. Apple is just a step ahead of your game if you're frustrated they're moving on to new things. They've been innovators for a long time. They standardized the 3.5in floppy drive, the zip drive, usb, firewire, the widescreen lcd. When they move on, everybody else follows.
 
I don't.

But I prefer OS X.

I never have any problems with Windows that I don't cause.
 
stomer said:
The diversity of PC hardware doesn't force MS to :
  • Reboot your machine without permission
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Jesus H. Christ, yes!

The first time I encountered that was when I just installed Vista, I'm new to it and stuff, and I was playing a game that takes up the whole screen. So I didn't see the dialog come up telling me that Windows needs to reboot for updates. Well I was playing along, then BAM! The game quits, and Windows reboots.

What. The. Hell?! The OS has the NERVE to reboot without my permission?!

From that point on, I didn't think, but know, that Vista sucks.
 
ravenvii said:
Jesus H. Christ, yes!

The first time I encountered that was when I just installed Vista, I'm new to it and stuff, and I was playing a game that takes up the whole screen. So I didn't see the dialog come up telling me that Windows needs to reboot for updates. Well I was playing along, then BAM! The game quits, and Windows reboots.

What. The. Hell?! The OS has the NERVE to reboot without my permission?!

From that point on, I didn't think, but know, that Vista sucks.
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I am going to assume it was about 3AM when that happened. If you check you update settings you gave it permission.

Windows current default (both XP and Vista) is to install updates at 3am and set to reboot automatically. you can change that setting. Not like it is hard to do.
The reason for this change can be traced back to MSblaster because it was using an exploit patch months before hand but people where not updating their computers. Back then the default was to download and remind you to install them. They discovered such a large number of people never updated they changed the setting. For most people it does not effect them just late night gamers.
 
No1451 said:
I think a lot of you are just trying to hate Windows.

Unless you don't know your way around, I can't see how it would have so many issues(I've never even found hardware that Vista couldn't find drivers for).

Hating Vista isnt cool, and hating Vista isn't a requirement for using OS X, remember that the opposite of love is apathy, such as how I feel towards Linux.
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<sarcasm>
That is precisely the reason, actually! Yes, I confess: I'm trying to hate Windows because of system crashes, degeneration of the OS, irritating usability, poor UI design, instability when running multiple programs, problematic networking, selective incompatibility with my printer/with my mouse/with my network/with my camera, humungous startup time, involuntary reboots, failure of basic system functions, downright crappy customer service, cheesy hardware components (well okay that was Dell, Sony & HP's fault), blah blah. I can keep going. Gosh darn it, in the face of all that I'm still doing my best to hate Windows..
</sarcasm>

^ These are all problems that I have had, consistently, on every Windows machine I've owned, from various makers and running various versions of Windows. And I was very computer-savvy with Windows. Don't give me this "I'm just trying to hate Windows because it's cool" stuff... I should also point out that I take very good care of my electronics.

Hating Windows isn't cool - Windows just sucks. I can't help it. There's nothing you can do about it.

...and I think in general, people that use Macintosh are on average more savvy than your average Windows user = they have more valid reasons for disliking/hating/loathing-every-atom of Windows.

(</rant>)
 
Melrose said:
...and I think in general, people that use Macintosh are on average more savvy than your average Windows user = they have more valid reasons for disliking/hating/loathing-every-atom of Windows.
(</rant>)
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I'd pretty confidently say the opposite :)

If you've had consistant problems on every machine you've ever had, you're obviously not 'very computer-savvy with Windows' - you've been doing something wrong.
 
VoR said:
f you've had consistant problems on every machine you've ever had, you're obviously not 'very computer-savvy with Windows' - you've been doing something wrong.
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Doing something wrong. Hm. Email? Blogging? Photoshop? I'm not a 'power user' but I fail to see how using everyday programs automatically makes you say I'm doing something wrong. If you want to chalk it up to every Windows machine I've owned is a factory lemon, fine. My experience has been what my experience has been - if you have no trouble with Windows, good for you. I'm not saying OS X is perfect, but there really is no comparison, ime.

...and I wasn't always a Mac fanboy, either. My opinion of Windows has become so polarized only after using Macintosh - on several systems w/o consistent problems from one to the next. Prior to my switching, I really didn't know that computers were supposed to just work because every computer I used was Windows and had those problems consistently. Once I switched, I saw the light. The more I use Mac the more polarized my opinion becomes, admittedly.

Had the problems only been on certain makes or certain versions of Windows, it would be a different story, but like I said, whither or not they were all lemons, I've based it only on what I've known.
 
I don't hate Windows. I just hate using it sometimes.

Without Windows I would have no job (corporate IT type here).

I'll take OSX any day over Windows, but just keep Windows in the workplace so I can continue to have something to fix and I can keep my job.
 
Melrose said:
Had the problems only been on certain makes or certain versions of Windows, it would be a different story, but like I said, whither or not they were all lemons, I've based it only on what I've known.
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This is a topic that has always interested me. Some people(like myself) have had nothing but good experiences with Windows(I've used every version since 3.1, only one I dumped right away was 2000) while others just get reamed at every turn.

Its a weird but pervasive force in nearly every market, with almost every product that exists. Some people have horrible trouble with Fords, my parents have owned Fords their whole lives, and never had any serious issues. My Xbox experience has been amazing, my friend's died after 2 weeks usage.

However, having seen the changes proposed for Win7, I can safely say that I hate that THAT is what Vista should have been, and instead of some genuinely useful features(peek looks incredibly helpful) all I got was improved networking and glassy bullcrap.
 
VoR said:
I'd pretty confidently say the opposite :)

If you've had consistant problems on every machine you've ever had, you're obviously not 'very computer-savvy with Windows' - you've been doing something wrong.
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I am finding this to be more true as I interact with mac users.

@melrose have you ever built a computer?
 
Fortune 500 companies? I don't think so.

Vista has an extremely low corporate adoption rate. If 7 shows some improvement over 6, 7 may easily surpass 6 and Vista will join the likes of WinMe as being a huge non-operating system. Seems like the general opinion is Vista is XP with a bit more lipstick.

Good bye Vista.
:D
 
Rodimus Prime said:
I am going to assume it was about 3AM when that happened. If you check you update settings you gave it permission.

Windows current default (both XP and Vista) is to install updates at 3am and set to reboot automatically. you can change that setting. Not like it is hard to do.
The reason for this change can be traced back to MSblaster because it was using an exploit patch months before hand but people where not updating their computers. Back then the default was to download and remind you to install them. They discovered such a large number of people never updated they changed the setting. For most people it does not effect them just late night gamers.
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Yes I know I can change it, and I did. My point is that this should NOT be default behavior. It did not ask my permission, because it is the DEFAULT behavior. If they popped up a dialog saying the machine has to restart, but has no time limit (like in OS X), that would be ideal. Or it should pop up a dialog saying that you got the computer set to automatically update AND RESTART at 3 AM, with instructions on how to change it if you want, and you have to acknowledge it by clicking OK, that'd be okay too.

But setting that behavior as the default is NOT okay.
 
To be fair, default behaviour has the machine waiting a good 15-20 minutes before restarting, and popping up a warning balloon.
 
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