Why does Apple get a free pass on backflips?

[robostig]

THIS, the only thing I can't get passed through to my head is how so many people believe in it?

I don't take anything salespeople say seriously, and Apple are the best salespeople in the business. So when Apple flip on something, I just roll my eyes and get on with it.

After 25+ years of Apple products, you get a bit hardened to their BS. They do make good looking kit though and it usually works smoothly when they do finally get something out the door.

 

[CrAkD]

Apple needs to adapt to changing trends in the industry. Otherwise they will mutate into Blackberry or Nokia.

 

[Deguello]

It was reasonable rationale at the time. However, it's not reasonable rationale anymore as people are used to smart phones and understand the trade offs of having a bigger phone. Most people now appreciate the additional screen real estate. However, using a phone as a phone was much more prevalent so screen size was a non issue. Apple should not force itself to stick with an idea that's no longer relevant anymore. If they had used your rationale, they never would've made an iPhone or iPad or iPod in the first place.

What is my rationale, exactly? You're trying to attribute something to me that I didn't write, and it won't work.

 

[AdonisSMU]

THIS, the only thing I can't get passed through to my head is how so many people believe in it?

At the time the statement was made I believed it. However, the statement doesn't hold true years later after. iPhone was released when the market had a preference for smaller phones. If the big screens failed, I doubt apple would've released one. It's the same thing with the mini accept I always thought an iPad mini was a good idea even though I went back to the big iPad when the iPad went on a diet and became the iPad Air.

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What is my rationale, exactly? You're trying to attribute something to me that I didn't write, and it won't work.

Read what you responded to. You made a response that didn't fit the post. The user specifically stated the market changed. Now you come up with some story about you were talking about one handed usability. Then when I point out that Apple has addressed their concern now you are saying you didn't say that.

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Given the humongous bezels, I'm not sure that hyping Apple's ability to create a smaller footprint for a given screen size is all that persuasive.

For probably the third time, I'm glad they finally put out some substantially larger screens. That's a good thing. My point, and the point, I believe, of the OP, is more about the Apple fans than about Apple per se.

Insulting people because their tastes and needs change? Really?

Perfect for yesterday's use cases is not perfect for todays use cases. That's what I'm saying to you and that's what the other poster was trying to tell you. If a wired phone was good yesterday then why isn't it perfect for today is the same style of argument you are making. You need to read what you and others posted and understand the logical implications of what you are saying.

 

[stickybuns]

We don't know if Cook is going in different directions than Jobs. It takes years to make these phones. These things don't happen over a 1 year period LMAO! It takes awhile.

Who said anything about a 1 year period? Jobs has been dead for close to three years and was suffering from the end stages of a terminal illness for quite some time before his death.

You don't really believe that Cook is still following Jobs' death bed orders at this point, or that other members of the Apple corporation didn't begin taking over more-and-more of Jobs' duties as his health deteriorated, do you?

 

[AdonisSMU]

Who said anything about a 1 year period? Jobs has been dead for close to three years and was suffering from the end stages of a terminal illness for quite some time before his death.

You don't really believe that Cook is still following Jobs' death bed orders at this point, or that other members of the Apple corporation didn't begin taking over more-and-more of Jobs' duties as his health deteriorated, do you?

Again we don't know what Jobs would've done. He will change his mind on a dime. Let's not assume and leave dead people out of a conversation that attempts to bash Apple and it's users for changing their minds and their tastes over time to what they think is best for their needs.

 

[Knowimagination]

It doesn't really seem all that strange to me. From what I have seen if Apple isn't the first to a market segment (or creating one) then they generally wait for that segment to become mature before they really start caring about it.

Now that larger screens are becoming a big market it makes sense for Apple to enter that space, but before there was no monetary reason to get in that space where the market was still pretty small.

 

[stickybuns]

Again we don't know what Jobs would've done. He will change his mind on a dime. Let's not assume and leave dead people out of a conversation that attempts to bash Apple and it's users for changing their minds and their tastes over time to what they think is best for their needs.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

 

[AdonisSMU]

You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

You work on yours. Ill worry about me.

 

[dcorban]

So it was surprising to see that after the announcement of the 6/6+, there was so much elation amongst not just Apple fans, but tech fans in general. Now even though I'm not an Apple user, I can appreciate the positive impact larger iPhones have on the market.

Apple make products that are desired over the entire world by tens of millions of people, of course you will see some who applaud Apple entering a new market.

That said, you are using "the Internet" as your source. Apple could announce a phone that literally smells like dog doo doo, and you would find a large number of people excited for it.

 

[jeffe]

Apple execs probably knew they were planning on releasing a larger version when they told you what they did but it doesn't matter. Apple just tells you what you need to hear at that time so you could sell their phones.

 

[C DM]

I don't need to rethink my post. The selling point on the small screen was that it fit the hand and thumb, not that that was the consumers' preference.

If they'd said, "Not enough customers want a larger screen" that would be one thing. They made a completely different argument. That's the point.

Yes to market the product they had. And it worked.

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Apple execs probably knew they were planning on releasing a larger version when they told you what they did but it doesn't matter. Apple just tells you what you need to hear at that time so you could sell their phones.

That's precisely it. There isn't some deeper or alternative meaning behind it. Not sure what the others are looking for or trying to make up when it's really just that and nothing more.

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It doesn't really seem all that strange to me. From what I have seen if Apple isn't the first to a market segment (or creating one) then they generally wait for that segment to become mature before they really start caring about it.

Now that larger screens are becoming a big market it makes sense for Apple to enter that space, but before there was no monetary reason to get in that space where the market was still pretty small.

Yup, that's certainly a big part of it all.

 

[tbobmccoy]

Apple is the rare public company that can do just about anything and there customers will forget/rationalize/ignore it. They can charge just about any price, sell just about any product and dominate a market with little fear of public backlash. It's really amazing.

People will cheer record profits, defend price gouging on memory, rabidly attack any competitor and defend anything Apple does.

On the flip side, AT&T or Verizon can raise prices $5 and people will call them evil and greedy.

Customer service is a HUGE part of it. AT&T and Verizon have historically been atrocious and not very consumer-friendly. Apple goes out of its way to appease consumers, even if it means less profits. Especially in retail.

 

[scottw324]

Given the humongous bezels, I'm not sure that hyping Apple's ability to create a smaller footprint for a given screen size is all that persuasive.

For probably the third time, I'm glad they finally put out some substantially larger screens. That's a good thing. My point, and the point, I believe, of the OP, is more about the Apple fans than about Apple per se.

Yeah, I would have liked to see edge to edge screen another top bezel reduced a lot, more like a samsung model to reduce overall length of the phone. I am all about symmetry but in this case I could easily live with the top bezel being smaller than the bottom.