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Today I went to best buy. They don't have the smart cases for the mini, they don't have the iPhone 5 or 5c cases and they barely have any selection. This is in an affluent area of Toronto. How come when people in the US live in areas that are fairly secluded (small towns) seem to have more stuff.

Higher Prices
Back when our dollar was better then the USD we had to pay more for stuff then you did.

Lack of Recognition
As much as I hate Justin Bieber he is a huge celebrity. When books about him were published it said his hometown was Ontario. Thats like saying Obama's hometown is the state of Hawaii. Ridiculous!

High Cost of Living
You would be hard pressed to find a house in Toronto that is detached for less then a million dollars. When I went to Nashville on a tour bus half were Canadians and the other half US citizens. When they drove us to the celebrity's houses the guide was pointing out the "million dollar homes". They were 10k sqf!

/end of rant/
 
Canada has an abundance of beautiful intelligent women. And I stress the word intelligent.

Other than that ........ Ummm ..... They have snow and universal healthcare.
 
Canada has an abundance of beautiful intelligent women. And I stress the word intelligent.

Other than that ........ Ummm ..... They have snow and universal healthcare.

That healthcare we pay dearly for. 50% income tax, 13%GST, gas is $4.92 a gallon, land transfer tax, etc.
 
That healthcare we pay dearly for. 50% income tax, 13%GST, gas is $4.92 a gallon, land transfer tax, etc.

I love hearing Americans (especially now with all the Obama Care crap going around) say how the US should be like Canada and provide free health care. Nobody realizes that taxes are what makes it "free". In the end, Canadians are probably paying just as much as Americans who have health insurance plans, if not more. I live in the US, and I try to explain this to people and they don't understand.
 
I love hearing Americans (especially now with all the Obama Care crap going around) say how the US should be like Canada and provide free health care. Nobody realizes that taxes are what makes it "free". In the end, Canadians are probably paying just as much as Americans who have health insurance plans, if not more. I live in the US, and I try to explain this to people and they don't understand.

Except Canadians don't receive hospital bills in the mail for things that their insurance is supposed to pay for but decide they don't want to pay for, even though you pay an obscene premium every month. And in Canada people who have low income don't have to worry about being sick. If that means a tax rate of 50% then I think it's worth it.
 
Except Canadians don't receive hospital bills in the mail for things that their insurance is supposed to pay for but decide they don't want to pay for, even though you pay an obscene premium every month. And in Canada people who have low income don't have to worry about being sick. If that means a tax rate of 50% then I think it's worth it.

How often do you visit a hospital?
 
I love hearing Americans (especially now with all the Obama Care crap going around) say how the US should be like Canada and provide free health care. Nobody realizes that taxes are what makes it "free". In the end, Canadians are probably paying just as much as Americans who have health insurance plans, if not more. I live in the US, and I try to explain this to people and they don't understand.



Debunking Canadian health care myths

Myth: Taxes in Canada are extremely high, mostly because of national health care.

In actuality, taxes are nearly equal on both sides of the border. Overall, Canada's taxes are slightly higher than those in the U.S. However, Canadians are afforded many benefits for their tax dollars, even beyond health care (e.g., tax credits, family allowance, cheaper higher education), so the end result is a wash. At the end of the day, the average after-tax income of Canadian workers is equal to about 82 percent of their gross pay. In the U.S., that average is 81.9 percent.

Myth: Canada's health care system is a cumbersome bureaucracy.

The U.S. has the most bureaucratic health care system in the world. More than 31 percent of every dollar spent on health care in the U.S. goes to paperwork, overhead, CEO salaries, profits, etc. The provincial single-payer system in Canada operates with just a 1 percent overhead. Think about it. It is not necessary to spend a huge amount of money to decide who gets care and who doesn't when everybody is covered.

Myth: The Canadian system is significantly more expensive than that of the U.S.

Ten percent of Canada's GDP is spent on health care for 100 percent of the population. The U.S. spends 17 percent of its GDP but 15 percent of its population has no coverage whatsoever and millions of others have inadequate coverage. In essence, the U.S. system is considerably more expensive than Canada's. Part of the reason for this is uninsured and underinsured people in the U.S. still get sick and eventually seek care. People who cannot afford care wait until advanced stages of an illness to see a doctor and then do so through emergency rooms, which cost considerably more than primary care services.

What the American taxpayer may not realize is that such care costs about $45 billion per year, and someone has to pay it. This is why insurance premiums increase every year for insured patients while co-pays and deductibles also rise rapidly.

Myth: Canada's government decides who gets health care and when they get it.

While HMOs and other private medical insurers in the U.S. do indeed make such decisions, the only people in Canada to do so are physicians. In Canada, the government has absolutely no say in who gets care or how they get it. Medical decisions are left entirely up to doctors, as they should be.

There are no requirements for pre-authorization whatsoever. If your family doctor says you need an MRI, you get one. In the U.S., if an insurance administrator says you are not getting an MRI, you don't get one no matter what your doctor thinks — unless, of course, you have the money to cover the cost.

Myth: There are long waits for care, which compromise access to care.

There are no waits for urgent or primary care in Canada. There are reasonable waits for most specialists' care, and much longer waits for elective surgery. Yes, there are those instances where a patient can wait up to a month for radiation therapy for breast cancer or prostate cancer, for example. However, the wait has nothing to do with money per se, but everything to do with the lack of radiation therapists. Despite such waits, however, it is noteworthy that Canada boasts lower incident and mortality rates than the U.S. for all cancers combined, according to the U.S. Cancer Statistics Working Group and the Canadian Cancer Society. Moreover, fewer Canadians (11.3 percent) than Americans (14.4 percent) admit unmet health care needs.

Myth: Canadians are paying out of pocket to come to the U.S. for medical care.

Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.

Myth: Canada is a socialized health care system in which the government runs hospitals and where doctors work for the government.

Princeton University health economist Uwe Reinhardt says single-payer systems are not "socialized medicine" but "social insurance" systems because doctors work in the private sector while their pay comes from a public source. Most physicians in Canada are self-employed. They are not employees of the government nor are they accountable to the government. Doctors are accountable to their patients only. More than 90 percent of physicians in Canada are paid on a fee-for-service basis. Claims are submitted to a single provincial health care plan for reimbursement, whereas in the U.S., claims are submitted to a multitude of insurance providers. Moreover, Canadian hospitals are controlled by private boards and/or regional health authorities rather than being part of or run by the government.

Myth: There aren't enough doctors in Canada.

From a purely statistical standpoint, there are enough physicians in Canada to meet the health care needs of its people. But most doctors practice in large urban areas, leaving rural areas with bona fide shortages. This situation is no different than that being experienced in the U.S. Simply training and employing more doctors is not likely to have any significant impact on this specific problem. Whatever issues there are with having an adequate number of doctors in any one geographical area, they have nothing to do with the single-payer system.

And these are just some of the myths about the Canadian health care system. While emulating the Canadian system will likely not fix U.S. health care, it probably isn't the big bad "socialist" bogeyman it has been made out to be.

It is not a perfect system, but it has its merits. For people like my 55-year-old Aunt Betty, who has been waiting for 14 months for knee-replacement surgery due to a long history of arthritis, it is the superior system. Her $35,000-plus surgery is finally scheduled for next month. She has been in pain, and her quality of life has been compromised. However, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Aunt Betty — who lives on a fixed income and could never afford private health insurance, much less the cost of the surgery and requisite follow-up care — will soon sport a new, high-tech knee. Waiting 14 months for the procedure is easy when the alternative is living in pain for the rest of your life.
 
Except Canadians don't receive hospital bills in the mail for things that their insurance is supposed to pay for but decide they don't want to pay for, even though you pay an obscene premium every month. And in Canada people who have low income don't have to worry about being sick. If that means a tax rate of 50% then I think it's worth it.

Wrong, do you have experience in this? They still try to submit ambulance bills and such. We pay an extreme premium, ad 13% to the cost.

How often do you visit a hospital?
I have never had to go other then when I was born and visiting people.

Want to talk about the other points?
 
Want to talk about the other points?

Sure

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Today I went to best buy.
There's your problem. You went to Best Buy.

How come when people in the US live in areas that are fairly secluded (small towns) seem to have more stuff.

I used to live in a small town, it wasn't even that secluded, it was right off an interstate and a college town. But if Wal-Mart didn't have it, you weren't getting it unless you ordered it online or drove 100 miles to a bigger city. Small towns usually don't even have Best Buys.

Higher Prices
Back when our dollar was better then the USD we had to pay more for stuff then you did.

iPad Air 16 GB in Canada: $519 CAD = $496 USD. It's 3 dollars cheaper up there.

Lack of Recognition
As much as I hate Justin Bieber he is a huge celebrity. When books about him were published it said his hometown was Ontario. Thats like saying Obama's hometown is the state of Hawaii. Ridiculous!

The target audience of a book about Bieber is a 12 year old girl who's clearly lacking a few brain cells because she likes him in the first place. If you say his birthplace is London, Ontario, they're going to get confused and think he was born in the UK. No one's ever accused Beliebers of being good at geography, so keep it simple and say Ontario.

High Cost of Living
You would be hard pressed to find a house in Toronto that is detached for less then a million dollars. When I went to Nashville on a tour bus half were Canadians and the other half US citizens. When they drove us to the celebrity's houses the guide was pointing out the "million dollar homes". They were 10k sqf!

That's Nashville. The midwest. Home prices in the midwest are cheap. Take a look at home prices in the Bay Area or New York, they're going to be on par with Toronto home prices. Likewise, I bet a million bucks would get you a ballin' home in Saskatoon.

/end of rant/

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Rhonda Hackett of Castle Rock is a clinical psychologist.

What the heii does she know about Canadian health system? I could understand if she was a physician.

Do you even know what a clinical psychologist conists of? Insurance pays for mental health and medications needed for it as well. I'll definitely pay more attention to her opinion than those who are not even in the field.
 
That healthcare we pay dearly for. 50% income tax, 13%GST, gas is $4.92 a gallon, land transfer tax, etc.

I hate to break your bubble.

But Americans generally pay twice what every other nation in the world pays for in healthcare. And the care is more often than not inferior to 1st world UHC systems.
 
Do you even know what a clinical psychologist conists of? Insurance pays for mental health and medications needed for it as well. I'll definitely pay more attention to her opinion than those who are not even in the field.


Ah, but I deal with people well above her pay grade on a regular basis. Yes I am in the medical profession. Not at her level. But comments like hers are best left to Medical Directors and Associations.
 
Canada is an interesting place... the first time I went over there, I thought there was no reason to keep it a separate country? Everything about the drive from Detroit to Toronto was much like the United States...

Canada has a lot of natural resources and their army is not match for some of the US's large police departments. The US could roll in and take Ottawa in 2 hrs.. And there wouldn't be a need to spill blood and treasure securing oil & resources from the scattering of despots, dictators and terrorists all over the world.

But then, I went to Quebec.. which is like Europe with American SUV's and trucks trundling around. And the people try to speak French?? Then I got it.. Canada is indeed different.

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iPad Air 16 GB in Canada: $519 CAD = $496 USD. It's 3 dollars cheaper up there.

I am talking about when our dollar was higher then yours. We were paying more then you were.

The target audience of a book about Bieber is a 12 year old girl who's clearly lacking a few brain cells because she likes him in the first place. If you say his birthplace is London, Ontario, they're going to get confused and think he was born in the UK. No one's ever accused Beliebers of being good at geography, so keep it simple and say Ontario.

Um, Bieber was born in Stratford and not London If an American celebrity's biography was published (a kid celebrity) they would not say hometown- North Dakota.

That's Nashville. The midwest. Home prices in the midwest are cheap. Take a look at home prices in the Bay Area or New York, they're going to be on par with Toronto home prices. Likewise, I bet a million bucks would get you a ballin' home in Saskatoon.

Except for NYC, and the Bay area homes are very cheap. Saskatoon is not a big city. Chicago is roughly the same size as Toronto and houses are about 400k. Do you know what 500k gets you in parts of Toronto? A 500sqf studio condo.


But Americans generally pay twice what every other nation in the world pays for in healthcare. And the care is more often than not inferior to 1st world UHC systems.

Okay so you pay more money for healthcare but we pay so much more then you for everything else. Your gas is cheap, your clothes are cheap, your sales are amazing, your homes are cheap.

Canada is an interesting place... the first time I went over there, I thought there was no reason to keep it a separate country? Everything about the drive from Detroit to Toronto was much like the United States...

Canada is a lot different then the United States. It as a much larger European influence.


Canada has a lot of natural resources and their army is not match for some of the US's large police departments. The US could roll in and take Ottawa in 2 hrs.. And there wouldn't be a need to spill blood and treasure securing oil & resources from the scattering of despots, dictators and terrorists all over the world.

Yeah I admit Canada has a tiny army. Then again they don't really need a huge one either seeing as they don't have the money to get involved in wars.

But then, I went to Quebec.. which is like Europe with American SUV's and trucks trundling around. And the people try to speak French?? Then I got it.. Canada is indeed different.

Yes Quebec... Thats another can of worms.
 
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iPad Air 16 GB in Canada: $519 CAD = $496 USD. It's 3 dollars cheaper up there.

I am talking about when our dollar was higher then yours. We were paying more then you were.

So does every other country. Perhaps prices are higher because of import duties or taxes.

Um, Bieber was born in Stratford and not London If an American celebrity's biography was published (a kid celebrity) they would not say hometown- North Dakota.

Wikipedia says he was born in London. But really, who gives a flying ****, it's Justin Bieber. I question why you're reading books about Justin Bieber in the first place.

Except for NYC, and the Bay area homes are very cheap. Saskatoon is not a big city. Chicago is roughly the same size as Toronto and houses are about 400k. Do you know what 500k gets you in parts of Toronto? A 500sqf studio condo.

Maybe more people just want to live in Toronto than Chicago. It's supply and demand. Demand goes up, supply goes down, prices go up.

Also remember that the US housing market was greatly affected by the 2008 economic crisis while Canada fared relatively well. Our market is still recovering, resulting in home prices being the lowest they've ever been. You should be happy that your country's economy didn't tank like ours.
 
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