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mtscott said:
Something that I think some people don't know, but not all USB 2.0 devices are HiSpeed. From Wikipeida:

USB 2.0 added a Hi-Speed rate of 480 Mbit (60 MBytes) per second. Not all USB 2.0 devices are Hi-Speed. A USB device should specify the speed it will use by correct labeling on the box it came in or sometimes on the device itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB

Yes, there's a bit of marketroidness in the USB naming. 11 Mbps is called Full speed, as compared to the earlier 1 Mbps speed of USB 1.0. So when USB 2.0 came out, they called the newer 480 Mbps speed High speed. So, with High > Full, device manufacturers dropped the names and went with just stating USB 2.0, even if it's still only Full speed.
 
solvs said:
Works fine. Do what I did, and buy a combo USB/firewire case and a regular IDE cd-burner. Any will do, but go to www.xlr8yourmac.com to see if it's got native support in OS X or if you need PatchBurn. Or go all out and just buy a Pioneer DVD-R.

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll go with a Pioneer DVR-109 internal IDE drive. At least with the combo case I can get Firewire speeds in my iBook :)
 
iBunny said:
But my question is, Why dosent apple utilize new hardware.

Just a general question, that I really cant figure out.


All new tech has to be cleared with both the CIA and the alien greys at Area 51. The paperwork alone can take lightyears. Have you ever tried to translate a user manual from intergalatic prophylacticese to english? Well, the whole thrust of some passages can be ...
..
nevermind
 
I would like a clear list of USEFUL tech that Apple hasn't adopted. Coz PCI Express isn't and either is a DUAL (note the spelling) layer drive. Need some help in this regard. THANX
 
mklos said:
You might as well stop while you're ahead (though you're not really ahead). First of all, get your facts straight before you rant and rave about Macs.

If you've ever owned a PowerMac, you know that you will almost never use one of the PCI-X slots. Heck, I know people who've owned a PowerMac for 4+ years and have never used them at all. I guarantee that if you buy a PowerMac you'll never use those slots at all.

Gigabit Ethernet was first available on a Mac back in 2001 with the Dual 500 MHz PowerMac G4. Like someone else pointed out, it was also available on the PowerBook FIRST before any other company.

They ship an optical mouse with every desktop computer...STILL the ONLY computer company to do that today!

They have the fastest FSB in the industry with the PowerMac architecture.

After this up and coming update, they will have the fastest 64-bit DESKTOP CPU on the market. I'm not talking about the high end server CPU's.

Since ATI nor NVIDIA has Mac PCI-Express Cards currently available, there's no sense in putting technology into a computer that you can't use. You can't blame Apple for neither company not having a card to ship yet. Most people don't even use the entire bandwidth of 8x AGP so PCI-Express isn't that much of an upgrade. I require you to find some damn good specs to prove me wrong with links!

If you want to reply...I want to see some facts with links to prove it! The crap that comes out of your head is just amazing.

To demonstrate mklos's point, I have the PowerMac G3 Beige and I have to say the only PCI card that I've even installed in all the years I own it is to add Firewire/USB ports to my computer. If Firewire and USB were built-in on this model (instead of the next revision) then I wouldn't have even used that. The G3 Beige was also the last model to feature a built-in floppy drive. Apple could definitely have phased it out earlier. I don't think I've used a floppy in earnest since I stopped using a PowerMac 7200. And the Zip Drive was only used a couple years before it too was abandoned on this computer (yea to ethernet!). Now I know some people do need PCI cards, or else they wouldn't be offered; but the lack of expandability has never been a concern for me on the iMac since the only expansion I've done was that one PCI card to add Firewire and USB.

As for PCI Express, what point is there in adding it to a computer when it will, in most likelihood, collect dust for a few years before there is even a graphics card worth installing in it and those who will find the performance of a PCI Express graphics card necessary will probably want to buy a new computer for their professional needs.
 
ThomasJefferson said:
Have you ever tried to translate a user manual from intergalatic prophylacticese to english?

People would think that you would be able to type this out more quickly when you have three arms, but let me tell you. With one for holding your drink and two for gesticulating, it's tough to get any work done at all! I think I need to get a few more arms installed. :eek: :D

PS, much like Tiger, it drops next Friday! :D Hmmm...Friday...did it get pulled up from May? I seemed to remember entertaining thoughts of seeing it on my birthday, and being disappointed that I couldn't. But now I could, and on opening weekend. Hmmm....
 
mtscott said:
One thing became painfully clear at the recently held Intel Developer Forum, at which PCI Express was probably among the hottest topics on the agenda: PCI Express is going to be hard to sell to the consumers. Consequently, the biggest question was "How do I convince the consumer he/she needs this technology?" One could have almost gotten the impression that the experts assembled there were desperately searching for any argument in favor of PCI Express - at least for the graphics sector. Finally, the marketing experts singled out their new favorite killer application: real-time HDTV video editing. According to their (un)conventional wisdom, this is the application that will make consumers ditch their current motherboard and graphics card and trade them in for PCI Express components...

Not likely!


http://www20.graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040310/pcie-06.html

That comes VERBATIM from the same article YOU QUOTED!

SLI is an intriguing future technology, but I don't know many people who would pay the price of 2 high end video cards just to take advantage of it.

Except of course Intel/AMD/Windows "ZEALOTS" who have nothing better to do than to post nonsensical, almost completely misspelt, self-contradicting, illogical rants on Mac boards because they're insecure about the computer that they purchased.

Come to think of it, maybe I do know someone.


Considering the fact I not a Zealot I dont know what you are talking about.

But the non upgrading is a pretty week agument. Since it would go in a Power mac line and I seen post of how people should upgrade. I see no point to replacing my entire computer just to get PCIe but if I was to build it today I would put it in their to allow for future growth. Something that noughting among the pro line can do. But then again what hte point of having a power mac since it has noughting to do what what Apple ZEALOTS want to brag about it. Yeah right. They have their usage. Top of the line Mac should have top of the line hardware to allow for growth. I mean who buys power G5s. SLI has proven how much better it is then one card. THe CPU are getting maxed out on the engine before the graphics is beating out the cards.
 
840quadra said:
I did, and it does what I need it to do.

I like AMD for my Linux computers, and I like OSX. Since I want and need both I run both.

Sorry my purchase dosen't agree with you.


boy take it out of content it looks bad but it mean to show the stupidity of the argument.

If you read past it it points out it has it useage. Power macs can be upgraded to extend there life and can have add ons. among the raw computing power
 
Timelessblur said:
boy take it out of content it looks bad but it mean to show the stupidity of the argument.

Something of which you'd know nothing about, right?

Timeless, WHO IS LEADING INNOVATION IF NOT APPLE?
 
mtscott said:
Something of which you'd know nothing about, right?

Timeless, WHO IS LEADING INNOVATION IF NOT APPLE?


Honestly I dont really know but it is crystal clear it not Apple. They are the one lagging and making up excuses. There not a clear cut leader right now since you have company like AMD, Intel, IBM Linkey, ATI, nVidia all pushing new limites in diffence dirction but those are all piece of the computer. Of the Manufactors it more than like home builders and the small company that are pushing the limits (Alienware, Voodoo PC for example).

Apple is one lagging the farthest behind in there desktop in adopting news standards and hardware. Laptops I dont follow as closely but they are due for updates.
 
Oh lordy lord! At this moment in time we can identify a small handful of things (on whose significance we cannot agree) that Apple does not currently include in its long-in-the-tooth, due-for-an-update pro systems! Holy cow! The sky is falling! Apple is doomed! Whatever is a lowly Apple zealot to do! ... DUDE, I'm getting a Dell.

Can we please keep this in perspective, people? Don't make me re-publish my previous post in this thread ... I mean it ... I'll do it, just you watch!
 
mcgarry said:
Can we please keep this in perspective, people? Don't make me re-publish my previous post in this thread ... I mean it ... I'll do it, just you watch!

Repost it mcgarry! :D With everything in here that is being said over and over again, we might as well reread something that is actually intelligent and factual and isn't mere rhetoric.
 
Timeless, you may or may not be interested in this list of Mac-compatible USB/PCI/PCMCIA wireless adapters (SOME WITH 802.11a OMG!!!!):

http://home.earthlink.net/~metaphyzx/Wireless.htm

I'd also like to mention that the last time I plugged a USB floppy drive into my Mac (ironically, to fix a PC problem) it worked perfectly and instantly. No 'mounting' of the drive was required. Personally, I haven't used floppy disks since 1998, but good luck to you.
 
Timelessblur said:
Honestly I dont really know
That sums up amost everything!
Timelessblur said:
but it is crystal clear it not Apple. They are the one lagging and making up excuses.
I've not heard any excuse from them other than "IBM can't seem to get the chip out"!
Timelessblur said:
There not a clear cut leader right now since you have company like AMD, Intel, IBM Linkey, ATI, nVidia
All COMPONENT manufacturers that Apple USE!
Timelessblur said:
all pushing new limites in diffence dirction but those are all piece of the computer. Of the Manufactors it more than like home builders and the small company that are pushing the limits (Alienware, Voodoo PC for example).
So that's helpful to the average consumer then! Mu god timeless you are a total Goon! I really can't quite believe the stuff you type!

Timelessblur said:
Apple is one lagging the farthest behind in there desktop in adopting news standards and hardware. Laptops I dont follow as closely but they are due for updates.
Jeez, I guess they are, being the first to put out a consumer product with 64bit! Being the machine of choice for most video editing applications (that should also answer your dumb "who would buy a G5" question too. - Try almost EVERY professional video editing company in the world - my god, the apple symbol is on the credits of Lord Of The Rings! (I didn't see windows or alienware anywhere, and i looked!)
So apple (a very large company) are lagging behind Alienware and homebuilders! My god! Shoot them!
The important thing from this (again crappy) post, is that they are NOT lagging behind large PC manufacturers (Dell etc.) and therefore ARE NOT LAGGING AT ALL! Being ahead of 60% of the Market puts you ahead of the game in my book!

You have basically just admitted that only a handful of the PC's sold at the moment employ newer technology than Apple, and most are made by the user! i think Apple know FAR MORE about how to make a good, stable, reliable, useful and longevenous product than you do. The fact that they are ahead of major PC manufacturers means that " Apple does adopt new technology" especially with all things being relative.

You have been digging on this topic for at least the last 7 pages, with almost every point wrong.
It's time to stop.
 
Squozen said:
Timeless, you may or may not be interested in this list of Mac-compatible USB/PCI/PCMCIA wireless adapters (SOME WITH

*holds breath waiting for sites to be overwhelmed by a mad rush of Mac users trying to get 802.11a compatibility on their system*

*passes out waiting*
 
wow i dont know how this thread has made it this far, i thought we had things figured out back on the first few pages, it surely has been dragged out
 
James Philp said:
That sums up amost everything!

I've not heard any excuse from them other than "IBM can't seem to get the chip out"!

All COMPONENT manufacturers that Apple USE!

So that's helpful to the average consumer then! Mu god timeless you are a total Goon! I really can't quite believe the stuff you type!


Jeez, I guess they are, being the first to put out a consumer product with 64bit! Being the machine of choice for most video editing applications (that should also answer your dumb "who would buy a G5" question too. - Try almost EVERY professional video editing company in the world - my god, the apple symbol is on the credits of Lord Of The Rings! (I didn't see windows or alienware anywhere, and i looked!)
So apple (a very large company) are lagging behind Alienware and homebuilders! My god! Shoot them!
The important thing from this (again crappy) post, is that they are NOT lagging behind large PC manufacturers (Dell etc.) and therefore ARE NOT LAGGING AT ALL! Being ahead of 60% of the Market puts you ahead of the game in my book!

You have basically just admitted that only a handful of the PC's sold at the moment employ newer technology than Apple, and most are made by the user! i think Apple know FAR MORE about how to make a good, stable, reliable, useful and longevenous product than you do. The fact that they are ahead of major PC manufacturers means that " Apple does adopt new technology" especially with all things being relative.

You have been digging on this topic for at least the last 7 pages, with almost every point wrong.
It's time to stop.

The Who buys power mac was a sarcsitce comemnt relating to the person saying who needs SLI graphic card.

As software this is not about it. So you can drop that
CPU can be agured into the ground their are things that Intel is the best at AMD is the best at and then the PowerPC is the best at.

As for the hardware apple does not keep up wiht. No Dual layers burns that All the other major manufactors (dell gateway Hp ect) all offer for at least the past 6 months if not 9 months.

No PCI express for apple which again I know Dell and Gateway offer on there computers and have offered for the past 6 months.

So think again. Btw insulting a forum memeber is agaist the rules. I suggest you read them
 
OK, that's it! You asked for it! (yes, this blatant self re-post from page 4 is inexcusable, but I have permission from Maedus)

mcgarry said:
First, I think plinden made a very good point. Hardware-wise, sometimes Apple is ahead, sometimes they lag in some ways. Why is this surprising? But it is another matter entirely to act like they are "falling behind" for good because of a current lack of DL-burner inclusion, or whatever. Arguing that would be as ill-informed, if not worse, as arguing that Apple is always the best in everything. These things are cyclical, and for better or worse, Apple as the sole computer manufacturer for the Mac OS cannot release new systems every 2 months. And what about that OS ...?

Second, a couple hardware innovations of recent Apple history have gone unmentioned thus far. This is possibly because they are relatively banal, not nearly as nerd-sexy as PCIe or Blu-Ray, but they were nonetheless huge to the broader market. ...[snips meself]

Dare I say zealotry, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder ...
 
Timelessblur said:
boy take it out of content it looks bad but it mean to show the stupidity of the argument.

If you read past it it points out it has it useage. Power macs can be upgraded to extend there life and can have add ons. among the raw computing power

Understood,

I didn't read all 190 (ok not that many) replies to this thread.

840
 
Wow. This is the second time I remember Timelessblur being banned. Is it permanent this time? For a second offense I mean.
 
Now that Timelessblur can't respond, we can all bash Apple the way we wanted deep down. ;)

I just wanted to say that Apple's consumer line are excellent on terms of what they offer, such as the iMac. An independent graphics card that, even if some would argue sucks like an industrial vacuum, is still better than the integrated graphics cards commonly seen on consumer level PCs. SATA hard drives and a wifi antenna built into the machine. Other specs could be better and definitely could be worse (MORE RAM APPLE, MORE RAM!!!!) but have things PC's done such as unique form factors (Yes, I'd like a VESA mount to hang my computer on the wall). I think Apple's Pro line could be a little more PRO, but it is by no means a crippled line.

As for PCI Express, I can't see the need for Apple to include it until they really need to. It would appear that ATI and nVIDIA are pushing the current graphics cards towards their limits and I would think it would be more economical for both Apple and ATI/nVIDIA to wait until they reach a limit with the current AGP 8X Pro and then convert those graphics cards into PCI Express versions and progress from there. Apple doesn't have the fetish market that PCs have where ATI and nVIDIA can sell an unnecessary PCI Express graphics card simply because "its what's new and next."

As for 802.11a and 802.11n. I'm not really into wifi, but reading through these forums, I haven't seen people starting threads such as "Where is the 802.11a/n support apple?" or "AirPort doesn't do jack for me." 802.11n isn't necessary yet because its still in the process of being ratified and I can understand holding off on adopting it. Nobody wants a wifi card that becomes the betamax of wireless networking. And AirPort seems to be doing an admirable job connecting to college and starbucks hot-spots and being networked over Apple's AirPort branded routers. ;)

The only thing I really see Apple lagging behind on are the more gimmick-like hardware enhancements. Such as the 5 or 9-in-1 card readers for digital cameras or Light Scribe burners or things like that. While some people might find them useful, they are probably a pricey enhancement that Apple can't see being worth adding. For PC's, it helps make your product look more appealing as you can add it on the list of features and hardware manufacturers can right off the cost as a sort of advertisement cost for their product whereas Apple isn't directly competing with any other computer manufacturer and can't defend the added costs. That's why we have firewire ports; to add on things Apple didn't include but we really wanted. Plus it frees Apple up for working on creating functionality in their computers instead of "feature lists." And we probably wouldn't have as attractive of computers if Apple did include some of these non-vital features.
 
mklos said:
If you've ever owned a PowerMac, you know that you will almost never use one of the PCI-X slots. Heck, I know people who've owned a PowerMac for 4+ years and have never used them at all.

how could they have used them four years ago? if i remember correctly pci-x slots were introduced with G5 powermacs, which were released about two years ago...
 
JFreak said:
how could they have used them four years ago? if i remember correctly pci-x slots were introduced with G5 powermacs, which were released about two years ago...

Maybe the G4 PowerMacs too? I've never had to add a PCI card to a PowerMac... this is a Quicksilver too! :)
 
Squozen said:
Timeless, you may or may not be interested in this list of Mac-compatible USB/PCI/PCMCIA wireless adapters (SOME WITH 802.11a OMG!!!!):

http://home.earthlink.net/~metaphyzx/Wireless.htm

I'd also like to mention that the last time I plugged a USB floppy drive into my Mac (ironically, to fix a PC problem) it worked perfectly and instantly. No 'mounting' of the drive was required. Personally, I haven't used floppy disks since 1998, but good luck to you.

By posting that compatibility list, you have made my day. Thank you.
 
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