Why dosent apple adopt new technology?

[Mechcozmo]

They where late picking up PCI-X. they where late with the gigibyte eathernet ports, They where late going to USB 2.0. Currently they are late in going to PCI express and late picking up the dual layer burners. If the next power mac updates do not support the stuff they are out of excuse for not going to them.

GigE-- Only recently have x86 based computers gained this. Our house is wired for Base 10/100-T ethernet. That is because there WAS NO GigE CABLES AT THE TIME! And a year later, the Quicksilver came into the house and there were still no cables for it. Amazing! Technology before its time!

They where the first to drop the floppy noughting wrong with that. Their mistake was they pulled the floppy to earily. They started using firewire and they pushed it extremly hard and the rest of the industy did not follow suit. USB became the big thing. They where among the first to start putting in DVD burner standarded before it was it was ready. Apple releized they where driving new tech to hard.

...still waiting to use a floppy for daily life...
I never had any grief about not needing a floppy. Actually, my biggest grief comes from wanting another FireWire port as well as maybe a 3rd USB 2.0 port. But I'm fine with just two. FireWire and USB are not the same. Look up why FireWire is faster than USB 2.0, despite USB claiming 480 Mbps.

In my experience, Floppy has been slow as hell since OS X.
I just use Wifi for my local file trasfers
Faster that using a crossover cable?
Cable (Firewire, Ethernet):
Plug into computers, mount drive (as guest even) drag file.

How I do all my local file transfers... works great! And I can use Rendezvous to get to those computers.

I lied, I used a floppy last summer. I used a PowerMac 8600 (120mhz) to make create an 800K floppy so that I could resurrect an old family Apple 512K. It worked too. I played the sliding puzzle game for half an hour on a 12in black and white screen
But do I wish I had a floppy drive built into my Powerbook... No.

Actually the 512K had a 400k drive, the 512Ke had the 800k drive. And the screens are 9", black and white only. No grey.

People would think that you would be able to type this out more quickly when you have three arms, but let me tell you. With one for holding your drink and two for gesticulating, it's tough to get any work done at all! I think I need to get a few more arms installed.

Get a second head. It will work wonders with your 3 arms... Zalphod.

 

[solvs]

Relax, he's gone now. And I think we've scared iBunny away. Nothing like an old fashioned troll vs. zealot forum war.

Here's to 970MPs and DL drives. And hopefully, better video cards.

 

[GeeYouEye]

The only thing I can think of right now that Apple hasn't adopted and should is SATA2. PCIe is pointless for at least one more PowerMac revision lifetime, and DL drives never will be useful; the media needed to be cheap about a year ago. $8.50 for a single non-rewritable disc, versus $2 (total) for two rewritable discs with just over half the capacity? Not a chance. And that price isn't likely to drop anytime soon. Given support for it in Final Cut Studio, I'm guessing that the next optical drive revision will be HD-DVD burner, followed by a hybrid HD-DVD/BluRay burner (I know, it needs two lenses which will make it expensive, but the reluctance of the DVD forum to accept the better format (BluRay) means that we'll have a format war again, one that won't be resolved as cheaply as the ±R war, which was just a matter of circuits, not lenses).

Plus the one thing we're overlooking is the fact that Apple has a, while not more innovative, better long-term business model than pretty much everyone except HP and Dell. That model is sofware-driven hardware sales. While Dell has the low-cost hardware thing down perfectly (at the cost of component failure and terrible tech support), and HP could get rid of its PC division (and should!) and remain profitable on it's mostly excellent printers, Apple writes a killer OS to sell hardware, and is thus able to make the hardware that much better (at the expense of binary compatibility). This is why GNU and Linux are a long-term threat to Microsoft's revenue stream*, but not Apple's.

*Though these days most of their revenue is from Office, etc.; they switched their business model from the insupportable selling operating systems to the more supportable selling operating systems to sell other software. The day Linux overtakes Windows in market-share will be the day MS releases Office for Linux. They know where the money is, and as long as they can get people to use Windows because of Office, they will keep Office only for Windows (the Mac version is for DoJ reasons, though thanks to the MacBU, it's really quite good), but once they see that isn't working, they'll make a Linux version in order to sell as many copies as possible.

 

[mkrishnan]

GeeYouEye, what are the benefits of SATA2? This thread was the closest thing to informative that I could find, and it didn't seem to pitch this as a huge leap over SATA.

 

[0098386]

*sigh* technology

Perhaps its just me, but im getting quite sick of all this new hardware nonsense.

PCI-Extreme, PCI-X whatever its all called.
802.11a,n etc...
Sata1, Sata2...
BlueRay, DVD-HD... again, whatever its called.

its like some little cheap company thinks "oh there isnt a way of doing this yet, well there is, but i want some money" so this little computer company called COMPUCO living in the middle of Romania sets out to confuse the market.

i am probably the only person who cant see any benefit of 802.11a, Sata1 is more than fast enough (even FW does it for me), dont get me started with this PCI junk.
Apple are at least trying to keep their hardware simple. I salute them for that.

*next week from COMPUCO; FW802! thats right! 2mb faster! the benefit IS there!*

 

[GFLPraxis]

The things apple laged/ lags in
They lag in adapting USB 2.0
They currently lag in PCI tech. They currently do not support PCI-x nor PCI express
They currently lag in burning techology. (you can not get a dual layer burner put in you mac)
They currently lag in wireless techology since they dont have anything that supports 802.11n or a (n being the newest)

Apple did lead the curve for a while but now they have gone the other way and they are behind.

As for dumping the floppy drive I am sorry but I still like having my floppy drive and it currently in my computer. I call it my 10 buck insurences and I still use floppies. They are really good for moving around small files and turning in small files to my teacher.

Incorrect.

PCI-X is supported by Apple (PowerMac G5), in fact, they were the first adopter.
Wireless technology? 802.11n isn't even OUT yet, there are a couple "pre-N" routers but they are non standard. a? A is OLD and outdated. Less range than 802.11b and same speed as 802.11g.

They are still ahead of the game in wireless, in fact, few others support Bluetooth 2.0.

USB 2.0 and dual layer burners and PCIe, I agree.

 

[GFLPraxis]

Perhaps its just me, but im getting quite sick of all this new hardware nonsense.

PCI-Extreme, PCI-X whatever its all called.
802.11a,n etc...
Sata1, Sata2...
BlueRay, DVD-HD... again, whatever its called.

its like some little cheap company thinks "oh there isnt a way of doing this yet, well there is, but i want some money" so this little computer company called COMPUCO living in the middle of Romania sets out to confuse the market.

i am probably the only person who cant see any benefit of 802.11a, Sata1 is more than fast enough (even FW does it for me), dont get me started with this PCI junk.
Apple are at least trying to keep their hardware simple. I salute them for that.

*next week from COMPUCO; FW802! thats right! 2mb faster! the benefit IS there!*

You're apparently very confused...
PCI-X and PCIe are two very different things. PCIe replaces the AGP slot, PCI-X is a faster PCI slot.

Apple was the first adopter of PCI-X. Apple has not adopted PCIe.
802.11a is a very old outdated standard, slower and lesser range than 802.11g. 802.11n is not out yet other than the non-standard pre-N routers.

Apple has SATA.

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are not the same thing. HD-DVD won't be out until the end of 2005 and Blu-ray won't be out until 2006, and Apple is signed on as an early adopter.

 

[GFLPraxis]

Are there any portable computers currently on the market with built-in (not PCMCIA) 802.11n? I'm just curious...I didn't even think -n was ratified yet.

It isn't. There are Pre-N routers, that are using some of the concepts of N tied with 802.11g. But N is not yet ratified, and there are no N receivers because the Pre-N routers work with 802.11g.

 

[SPUY767]

lets see for moving files bettween friends I have use USB thumb drives but for turning stuff into teachers lets see what is cheaper. spending 5-6 bucks on cds over the years (50cents a cd turning in an average of 1 a week) or spending 1 buck on a floppy that can used for the entire semester.

But it also helpful for giving out some small files to group partners because they files can be edited plus the risk of me loosing looking much money if the disk is lost is small compared to replacing a thumb drive. If the file gets corrupted I may loose 30 mins worth of work since the oringal are always back up on our computers.

You are free to give me a 16-30 meg flash drive. You willing to risk loosing that over a 1 buck floppy. Floppies still have thier uses and people still use them. It just I still use floppies drives and I not willing to give them up yet. I call it my 10 buck insurenest plan (that is counting the cost of the drive and the floppy). And yes I have delt with loosing datas on modern floppies. Personaly I like to use floppies that are about 5-6 years old because back then they where made of much high quiltiy. As for the lost data it took me about 10-20 mins to get it all back since the oringinals where saved on the computer I just lost some minor editing and debugging work I did in the lab but it was easy enough to fix back in my room since I did the hard part in the lab and that was figuring out what was wrong.

What, are you in a "firemaking" class? Does you teacher wear a loin cloth and not shave? Thats about the only way that your teacher would be able to use the miracle we like to call, e-mail.

 

[iBunny]

Well to follow up on this, if anyone is still listening.

I mentioned PCI express because it is the future. And yes, it may be pointless right now compared to AGP. It will not be in the Future. If I spend 3000USD on my Powermac, I better have it for years.... and it better be future proofed. Thats my complaint about PCI epxress and why its not implimented.

As for the floppy guy... GIve it up man... Floppys are old, and dont have a place in this time anymore.

 

[SPUY767]

Considering the fact I not a Zealot I dont know what you are talking about.

But the non upgrading is a pretty week agument. Since it would go in a Power mac line and I seen post of how people should upgrade. I see no point to replacing my entire computer just to get PCIe but if I was to build it today I would put it in their to allow for future growth. Something that noughting among the pro line can do. But then again what hte point of having a power mac since it has noughting to do what what Apple ZEALOTS want to brag about it. Yeah right. They have their usage. Top of the line Mac should have top of the line hardware to allow for growth. I mean who buys power G5s. SLI has proven how much better it is then one card. THe CPU are getting maxed out on the engine before the graphics is beating out the cards.

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[mkrishnan]

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Not that I'm not fully supportive of your continuing this thread but, did you notice that the person you're replying to is *banned*?

 

[daveL]

Not that I'm not fully supportive of your continuing this thread but, did you notice that the person you're replying to is *banned*?

He's also a dyslexic teen.