Ah, so that's the first disappointment. Maybe there is a BTO option for a newer GPU. The 28nm cards will have dynamical power management, right?
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Why HP's new notebook KILLS the MBP
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Ah, so that's the first disappointment. Maybe there is a BTO option for a newer GPU. The 28nm cards will have dynamical power management, right?
your missing the point..... if i want a hp laptop i will get a hp laptop...i dont want my hp laptop to look like a macbook pro... if i did i could have bought one.....your discussed mostly operating system related issues even though you mentioned that people dont buy products because of the operating system......as a user of both platforms.... windows and lion and dell and apple... i appreciate a dell because its a dell.... and i wouldnt like it if my dell looked like a macbook pro..... i got it because it looks unique to its own way...
i dont understand why you mentioned that you prefered a macbook because of its physical design.... most of examples mentioned were operating system related... THough thats the very reason you mentioned we should or shouldnt get something
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17in Alienware, normally referred to as "over priced", is still $450 less than the 17in Apple and has faster RAM, GPU, Blu-ray, and 120MHz 3D. To me it's not worth paying $450 for "design and OS X" I just have a Mac because I got a nice company discount. I go with the logical purchase for my needs, not what has the halo effect.
Apple even more over priced than the over priced PC
i think you should be nominated.....never heard anyone say this buts its true... sadly. This is why i get macs on sale...... ie Kindle coupon..... and other means..
According to you, certain brands of computers can only look certain ways, and any attempt to change the look of a computer is upsetting the natural balance of things.
Got it.
I pointed out OS related things to show that copying better ideas is not a bad thing and has its place in technology ... And you're telling me I'm missing the point. What a joke.
What are you talking about? HP has always had a product much higher on the spectrum than Apple had with the MBP for many years. Just because you don't see it in a Best Buy store, don't assume it doesn't exist.
Look up HP EliteBook 8760w and check the specs, the top spec 17" MBP isn't even in the same category.
Weights 10 pounds... battery life? I wouldn't even compare them. Different machines for different purposes.
I was looking at the thinkpad T520 as alternative to a new MBP. Now that was close thing, and of course the thinkpad was somewhat cheaper with comparable equipment. Most of this cheapness however comes because Lenovo sells them $500-$800 below list price. Anyways, in the end OSX and the design gave the MBP the lead. And of course the fact that I could play with different MBPs in the apple store for a few hours, while it's hard to find a T520 at a retailer.
That is subjective.
I grew up on Windows, from 3.1 to Windows 5.1 (XP), and I am very good at navigating those versions, but since I switched to Mac OS X and got to know Exposé, and since 2007 Spaces, I find it hard to navigate and control Windows (pre-Vista) as easily.
For instance, I work with Avid Media Composer, both on Mac OS X and Windows.
Using the same application on both platforms is really different sometimes, sometimes it takes me twice as long to accomplish the same task on a Windows box as it does on a Mac. But that is my subjective experience, as I have seen it the other way around.
And since the arrival of Windows 6 and 6.1, Windows is really foreign to me, and the colourfulness distracts more than it helps. It is just stupid eyecandy, that doesn't really help. With Mac OS X 10.5 and 10.6 Apple found a good way to mix colours and grey shades to not distract but support one's use of this tool (a computer is just another tool, though very versatile if one wants it to be), but 10.7 changed that to the worse. I guess Apple has only consumers in mind now, which don't mind the dumbed down version of Mac OS X, but there are still people left, who use a Mac for more than just Facebook and all the other clichés out there.
Anyway, in short, I find Mac OS X 10.6 more usable than Windows 6.1.
You're complaining about distracting colors ... Seriously? Colors?
Colors can be changed to almost any shade possible ... Just because Microsoft ships their OS with a different default color theme than you would prefer is not an argument against anything, sorry.
However, I do agree with you that one's comfort with any OS depends on how well the applications they use regularly is integrated into said OS.
On my computers (I have a Windows 7 desktop and a Macbook Pro) I use Adobe Lightroom, Adobe Photoshop CS5, Matlab, and then the Microsoft Office Word and Excel ... Honestly, none of these programs run better on either platform, Sure OS X has expose and Windows allows you to snap windows left and right ... But there are 3rd party applications that do both of these things for both platforms.
In short, from my experience with both platforms, people who claim OS X is magically better are just full of it. OS X doesn't do anything that Windows 7 doesn't and vice versa.
Yes, look at Windows XP. I always reverted to Windows 2000 as colour scheme.
I know, but the choices are not to my pleasure.
As you said, "from your experience". The same can be said about almost anything, as it is a subjective matter.
My train of thought is just better suited by Mac OS X or even older versions of Mac OS.
Anyway, it is a choice. None is better than the other, or one is.
**** it.
Absolutely. And you should always use doublerolleyes, that makes you look more serious.So if I don't like the default color scheme of Snow Leopard or Lion, I should run to Microsoft Windows 2000... got it.
I think the volume dial is kind of a cool idea, to be honest. There are only two things wrong with it:
1. If they would have covered up the top it wouldn't be such an eyesore.
2. The software that the volume dial uses is probably buggy, intrusive, and terrible.
1. If they would have covered up the top it wouldn't be such an eyesore.
2. The software that the volume dial uses is probably buggy, intrusive, and terrible.
missed the point again.... i buy dells because they dont look like macbook pros... i bought a macbook pro because it looks like a macbook pro, i dont want that switched
hp really likes copy paste. the specs however are somewhat better then the mbp line up of today. And for the users here saying specs don't matter. A lot of mbp users are professional users that don't use their laptop for just mail and safari.
But this is good news. Lets hope it makes apple raise the bar.
and by the specs i mean:
individually lit key keyboard with proximity sensor.
bluray player
1920p horizontal axis on 15''
SSD+ dual HDD combi's
however. the design look horrendous they didn't copy it very well.
But this is good news. Lets hope it makes apple raise the bar.
and by the specs i mean:
individually lit key keyboard with proximity sensor.
bluray player
1920p horizontal axis on 15''
SSD+ dual HDD combi's
however. the design look horrendous they didn't copy it very well.
Buy a MacBook Pro instead, here's why...
Personally, I like OS X better than Windows, but that's my own opinion.
If you like Windows better, that's perfectly fine. So why not buy a MacBook Pro and put just Windows on it, instead of settling for a blatant copycat like this HP Envy thing?
Anyway, Macs tend to run Windows better than PC's that are made to run Windows anyway.
Plus, you can get a MBP for probably about the same price as this HP Envy thing ... and guess what? Your MBP will still be supported in a few years, you'll still feel like you have something great.
The prices can't be too far apart either, and if the MBP does cost more than the HP Envy, the price difference is well worth it IMHO.
Personally, I like OS X better than Windows, but that's my own opinion.
If you like Windows better, that's perfectly fine. So why not buy a MacBook Pro and put just Windows on it, instead of settling for a blatant copycat like this HP Envy thing?
Anyway, Macs tend to run Windows better than PC's that are made to run Windows anyway.
Plus, you can get a MBP for probably about the same price as this HP Envy thing ... and guess what? Your MBP will still be supported in a few years, you'll still feel like you have something great.
The prices can't be too far apart either, and if the MBP does cost more than the HP Envy, the price difference is well worth it IMHO.
+1 on all but the BluRay player.
I'd like a HR AG 1920x1200 IPS panel, and USB 3.0 in the next 15" MBP.
If the build quality is anything like the previous generations of the HP Envy these will be riddled with build quality problems. I also can't say I'm overly impressed with the volume knob, it just seems so late 1999.
There is no such thing as an overpriced Apple. At least not one coming from Apple retail, as some idiot could charge more than what Apple does.
PCs are overpriced when similar PCs are priced way under the overpriced PC.
Considering there is nothing to compare an Apple computer to, they can't be overpriced. You may try to compare them to PCs, but they are different. No matter what you think.
They are simply priced right. If you think they are expensive, then you are not in the group of people Apple targets with their prices. I don't eat at Ruth's Chris every night. Not because I think it's overpriced, but because I can't afford it.
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Huh? Apple makes personal computers. Apple and Windows laptops serve the same basic purposes. That is why they will get compared to them.
If you feel that way, then a Windows based computer is a perfect alternative to an OS X based computer and you're an idiot for buying an Apple computer. There are many people that an Apple computer is their only choice, and they aren't just buying it for the Apple name.
If you can't justify spending the extra money on the Apple, then don't. And also don't complain that it's too expensive. You obviously don't need it if you are.
Absolutely. Apple doesn't target the sub $400 PC market. They cater to users willing to pay for the quality, and could care less about providing ultra cheap machines to satisfy the most frugal of consumers.
We cant ship junk. We just cant do it. - Steve Jobs
Honestly, if I didn't go Mac, I would probably get a laptop from the Envy line. They look great, their specs are pretty good, and I really like Windows 7. In fact, before getting my MBP, I did get an HP laptop. Of course, it went back due to hardware problems (speaker).
This new Envy machine looks great, but with some caveats. It looks a little messy. The hinges are ugly, and so is that nasty beats wheel thing. Also, the well for the keyboard looks a little too big.. Then again, I'm just comparing it with the MBP.
But of course, "Good Artists Borrow, Great Artists Steal". I am excited to see what Ive will do with the new MBP.
This new Envy machine looks great, but with some caveats. It looks a little messy. The hinges are ugly, and so is that nasty beats wheel thing. Also, the well for the keyboard looks a little too big.. Then again, I'm just comparing it with the MBP.
But of course, "Good Artists Borrow, Great Artists Steal". I am excited to see what Ive will do with the new MBP.