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I don't know about the iPhone being on Verizon in 2011, maybe 2012 when the exclusivity runs out.

I thought the CDMA phones that seems to be leaking are heading to China.

Ok flame suit time, give me a second to put it on.

To me there's something special about having a phone that only one carrier has. If everyone could get it then it seems to not be so special. I know if Apple puts it on every network it's more sales for them and people will buy but it sort of cheapens the brand, not sure if that's the word I'm looking for.

Sort of like the iPad being sold in Target, Walmart, it sort of just becomes some doo hickey mixed in among other doo hickeys. It's like going to a Ford dealership to buy a Ferrari. It's the same car no matter where it's sold but still it loses something unique about it...

I hear you on this (to a point). When the first gen iPhone came out, it was special; no doubt. It was expensive, cutting edge and was the must have tech device to own. Since then, it's becoming more mainstream and less special with price cuts on older models and such. I can walk through the mall and see 80 year old grandmothers with iPhones. If anything, THIS cheapens the brand.

But I think Apple's push is to get the iPhone out of the "special" bracket and into the hands of everyone. Sort of like the Model T of smart phones. It's to their benefit since they sell more products and get bigger revenues.

While there is some debate whether or not certain people at, oh let's say Walmart, would even know what to do with an iPad, it's still about getting the bigger bottom line for Apple. The more places their products are available at, the better for them and their bottom line which is the ultimate deciding factor for any company.
 
Verizon would not make the same mistake twice. Plus, your topic is full of your own opinions. First off Android isn't a phone, it's an operating system. So, you have to compare Android to iOS. Verizon offers many different operating systems, they aren't going to turn down Apple due to them having a different operating system than their best-selling devices. Secondly, better service is an opinion. Yes, Verizon has more coverage, but that does not make it better coverage. AT&T is better in my area than Verizon. And also, much faster. I could never deal with Verizon again, there speeds around me are terrible. But this is all opinion. Third, data plans. Again, opinion. I never used unlimited data. I barely use over 1GB/month. So now I save $5 extra. Seems better in my opinion.

Offer me some facts on why Verizon will not offer the iPhone, then we'll talk.
Verizon didn't make a mistake by rejecting the iPhone,they were smart and didn't bend over like AT&T did. Verizon told S.Jobs to go kick rocks and the still are more powerful have a better network and have more money than AT&T.:rolleyes:
 
I don't know about the iPhone being on Verizon in 2011, maybe 2012 when the exclusivity runs out.

We don't know when the exclusivity actually ends. Contracts are dynamic documents that leave options within them for change.

I thought the CDMA phones that seems to be leaking are heading to China.

The current WSJ and NYT articles are not rumors of CDMA iPhones. They specifically state the iPhone is going to Verizon. We shall see if that eventually comes to be true. January will come and either a ton of people will feel superior and say "I told you so!" or millions of people will be very happy to finally get a choice.

Ok flame suit time, give me a second to put it on.

To me there's something special about having a phone that only one carrier has. If everyone could get it then it seems to not be so special. I know if Apple puts it on every network it's more sales for them and people will buy but it sort of cheapens the brand, not sure if that's the word I'm looking for.

Sort of like the iPad being sold in Target, Walmart, it sort of just becomes some doo hickey mixed in among other doo hickeys. It's like going to a Ford dealership to buy a Ferrari. It's the same car no matter where it's sold but still it loses something unique about it...

Wow...yeah...at least you know you're lame.
 
I don't usually make personal comments, but good grief...

It sure sounds as if some people think the availablity of a phone somehow would reflect specialness on the buyer.

(By such criteria, clearly those who buy unpopular phones must be special indeed.)

Being a special or unique person does NOT come from buying a piece of plastic and metal that others designed and built.

You're special by what you know, by how you raise your children, by your deeds, by the way you treat other people, by the way you keep your promises and live up to your responsibilities.
 
The same news outlets that said The CDMA iPhones were "DEFINITELY" coming to Verizon in January are now saying they're for India...I suppose if you claim the iPhone is going to every possible carrier you won't be wrong...SIDEBAR...I heard that a Tmobile AT&T merger is in the works...that would dead a Verizon iPhone..see how easy it is to propogate rumors?
 
The same news outlets that said The CDMA iPhones were "DEFINITELY" coming to Verizon in January are now saying they're for India...

Looking for this story on WSJ or NYT...can't find it. Got a link?

Edit: Found this...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575547670261276394.html

Still not sure where you got the "now saying they're for India" part. The story in no way implies that the CDMA iPhones that were thought to be intended for Verizon are actually for India instead. This looks like more of a "now that Apple is manufacturing a CDMA iPhone, they will sell it to all the CDMA carriers that they can".


I think I may get that chance early next year to drive down to Houston and beat you over the head with a Verizon iPhone. :)
 
Looking for this story on WSJ or NYT...can't find it. Got a link?

Edit: Found this...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703440004575547670261276394.html

Still not sure where you got the "now saying they're for India" part. The story in no way implies that the CDMA iPhones that were thought to be intended for Verizon are actually for India instead. This looks like more of a "now that Apple is manufacturing a CDMA iPhone, they will sell it to all the CDMA carriers that they can".


I think I may get that chance early next year to drive down to Houston and beat you over the head with a Verizon iPhone. :)


well in that case I'll be safe from a beating because I don't think you'll have your weapon of choice until next summer:rolleyes:
 
If they didnt make a mistake rejecting the iphone they wouldnt be crying for it and keep mentioning that they want to talk to Apple and their network is ready for it ;)
Obviously they do regret it.
I dont know about the more powerful, better network and more money part.
Take your fanboy hat off for a sec:D

Verizon didn't make a mistake by rejecting the iPhone,they were smart and didn't bend over like AT&T did. Verizon told S.Jobs to go kick rocks and the still are more powerful have a better network and have more money than AT&T.:rolleyes:
 
Verizon told S.Jobs to go kick rocks and they still are more powerful have a better network and have more money than AT&T.:rolleyes:

What is better about a network (Verizon's chosen CDMA implementation) that does not support voice and data at the same time?
 
What is better about a network (Verizon's chosen CDMA implementation) that does not support voice and data at the same time?

Compared to the TDMA alternative, CDMA was much better. Voice quality was better. The CDMA engineers decided at the time that it was better to split the voice and data channel for 3G. It made sense at the time. 3G data speeds were much faster.

Fast forward to today and TDMA has given way to W-CDMA (AT&T FINALLY gets 3G) and has finally caught up and surpassed CDMA. But for a long time CDMA was the superior technology....but all the 16 year olds on this forum wouldn't remember that.
 
Yes, but that was before 'smart' phones when voice was all that mattered.

True, but CDMA has offered very strong 3G data for long before AT&T rolled out W-CDMA. And while W-CDMA has recently become faster, CDMA-EVDO is still much more ubiquitous.
 
Yes, but that was before 'smart' phones when voice was all that mattered.

The first iPhone was TDMA only. That's why it had the "GSM buzz".

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Verizon didn't spring up from nowhere and decide to go CDMA. It's a merger of NYNEX, Bell Atlantic and GTE.

When they decided on CDMA, there were probably less than 3 million GSM users in the whole world.

Even back in the early 1990s, cell engineers knew that CDMA was the way to go for both capacity and speed. However, it was pretty expensive to implement back then. The upside was that moving to CDMA 3G was not so bad, since they were keeping the same basic air interface.

Forward looking countries like Korea, Canada, NZ, picked CDMA at first.

Much of the rest of the world took the less expensive way, with GSM TDMA, and only later added WCDMA for 3G. This slowed down 3G coverage since an entirely new set of radios had to be installed.

Rats. Have to run. Later.
 
The first iPhone was TDMA only. That's why it had the "GSM buzz".

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Verizon didn't spring up from nowhere and decide to go CDMA. It's a merger of NYNEX, Bell Atlantic and GTE.

When they decided on CDMA, there were probably less than 3 million GSM users in the whole world.

Even back in the early 1990s, cell engineers knew that CDMA was the way to go for both capacity and speed. However, it was pretty expensive to implement back then. The upside was that moving to CDMA 3G was not so bad, since they were keeping the same basic air interface.

Forward looking countries like Korea, Canada, NZ, picked CDMA at first.

Much of the rest of the world took the less expensive way, with GSM TDMA, and only later added WCDMA for 3G. This slowed down 3G coverage since an entirely new set of radios had to be installed.

Rats. Have to run. Later.

FINALLY! Someone who can explain better than I can what I recall from my days of working in wireless during the transition to digital! I've been waiting for you to finally make this post KDarling. :)
 
It kills me with giggles everytime I hear someone say "Verizon's network is better than others". Its all relative and perspective.

Case in point. My neighbor uses Verizon, I have an iPhone on ATT. We stand next to each other outside and have the same reception. Is his better than mine? Is mine better than his?
Nope, neither.

I do believe that Verizon has a larger coverage area, but I also believe AT&T has faster 3G speeds. I believe Verizon cannot do voice & data at the same time. I believe AT&T can do voice and data at the same time.

So which is better? Its all relative on where you're at and what you want. Where I'm at, I want data and voice at the same time. But if I lived in an area with bad AT&T coverage, I'd want Verizon if it had better coverage.

Saying in a general summation that one is better than the other, I believe thats merely opinion based upon your present perspectives.

Old school? Tin can and a string was out long before any GSM or TDMA or CDMA, etc. Of course its data rate was painfully slow. ;)
 
:D Tin can and string was faster than my 300 baud modem!

You had a modem?

*In my best Napoleon Dynamite voice*

LUCKY!


Of course, if I had a modem they probably would have written a book or made a movie about the FBI breaking down my door after I hacked into a government mainframe. :) The lack of a modem probably kept me out of a lot of trouble.
 
:D Tin can and string was faster than my 300 baud modem!

I remember downloading pictures from CompuServe. A single high resolution one, which could be a megabyte or so, would take hours and cost a ton of money.

Now we do the same thing in a split second, for almost no cost.

For that matter, having mobile broadband data access at only $1 a day would be considered unbelievable back then.
 
I remember downloading pictures from CompuServe. A single high resolution one, which could be a megabyte or so, would take hours and cost a ton of money.

I distinctly remember that it took 7-8 hrs (all night) to download a 360KB file on my IBM PCjr's 300 baud modem.
Those were the days.
 
i remember gopher and BBS'es. my first modem was a 9600 baud modem, and signed up with Prodigy. Played some of their crap games, and it costed a fortune. I sent my first email using prodigy, asking a question about this game called 'The 7th Guest,' a horror/suspense game (it was like the first FMV game).

now that i think of it, technology is shaping how we are as a society, and how we interact with each other/collaborate.

I love tech. I also love Apple, even though I'm an Android fanboy. Any company who innovates is a win in my book.
 
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