I'll be darned. I didn't know about this (and I have an iMac and Macbook Pro).
Thanks!
Tom
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I'll be darned. I didn't know about this (and I have an iMac and Macbook Pro).
Thanks!
Tom
I was obviously referring to the thread opener who bought the "not-so-technically-wise"-"wrong-time-wrong-place-wrong-reason" 8gb ddr3 sodimm ram, not to you
You smell it too?
From all the way here, hell ya. You too huh? "I thought it was just me..." LOL
I use 5 PC's with different mice at my office (We're getting a KVM finally!) and I have my 3 PC Servers and 2 Macs at home, and I'll be damned if I have to make "any adjustments" when I use any of them...
Totally legit.
I absolutely promise you that there is a SEVERE, DRAMATIC difference in the mouse interpretation between OS X and any version of Windows.
If you honestly feel like you want to argue that it's the paranoia or projection of the person(s) making the claim then you need to sit down with the two side by side and compare them. Try actual grown up, quick, precise movements. If you do not immediately notice the measurable, explicit difference in the interpretation than you are either oblivious or not using a mouse as quickly and fluidly as you could be ( on Windows ).
This is so real that Apple has received hundreds if not thousands of emails begging for a correction or optional disabling of the "acceleration" in the admin. There are a handful of programs intended to solve exactly this issue, and all fail ( though they also all help, just not resolve the issue completely ). There is even some kind of electronic petition that mac lovers started to get Apple to listen.
It's absolutely crippling for any advanced mouse-based interaction with the computer. It's embarrassing how some mac users are so blind and defensive that they immediately turn someone trying to solve an obstacle in their experience into a personal attack on that person's motives or character.
OS X has an entire glove compartment full of usability and interaction issues. People that actually are well-versed with the OS and its alternatives will be the first ones to admit to / proclaim that.
I absolutely promise you that there is a SEVERE, DRAMATIC difference in the mouse interpretation between OS X and any version of Windows.
If you honestly feel like you want to argue that it's the paranoia or projection of the person(s) making the claim then you need to sit down with the two side by side and compare them. Try actual grown up, quick, precise movements. If you do not immediately notice the measurable, explicit difference in the interpretation than you are either oblivious or not using a mouse as quickly and fluidly as you could be ( on Windows ).
This is so real that Apple has received hundreds if not thousands of emails begging for a correction or optional disabling of the "acceleration" in the admin. There are a handful of programs intended to solve exactly this issue, and all fail ( though they also all help, just not resolve the issue completely ). There is even some kind of electronic petition that mac lovers started to get Apple to listen.
It's absolutely crippling for any advanced mouse-based interaction with the computer. It's embarrassing how some mac users are so blind and defensive that they immediately turn someone trying to solve an obstacle in their experience into a personal attack on that person's motives or character.
OS X has an entire glove compartment full of usability and interaction issues. People that actually are well-versed with the OS and its alternatives will be the first ones to admit to / proclaim that.
Yes, it is not a question of "is it different or not". It is different. End of story.
I can find thousands and thousands of links like these:
http://www.brianjarrett.com/2008/10/20/the-imacs-mouse-acceleration-curve-sucks/
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=63077
http://macosx.com/forums/mac-os-x-system-mac-software/51061-mouse-acceleration-driving-me-crazy.html
Afterwards, I can understand that if you are using a Mac for 10 years and that are using a PC for the first time, maybe you'll have the exact same feeling as I had when I used a Mac.
But it is there. And since most of the people are using PC, Apple really should add a simple checkbox icon in the mouse settings, that would change the acceleration as on Windows and Linux. That would be really appreciated by some switchers.
I can find thousands and thousands of links like these:
http://www.brianjarrett.com/2008/10/20/the-imacs-mouse-acceleration-curve-sucks/
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showthread.php?t=63077
http://macosx.com/forums/mac-os-x-system-mac-software/51061-mouse-acceleration-driving-me-crazy.html
Afterwards, I can understand that if you are using a Mac for 10 years and that are using a PC for the first time, maybe you'll have the exact same feeling as I had when I used a Mac.
But it is there. And since most of the people are using PC, Apple really should add a simple checkbox icon in the mouse settings, that would change the acceleration as on Windows and Linux. That would be really appreciated by some switchers.
My MX518 mouse with acceleration turned to maximum (on the mouse itself, not on system preferences) feels the same as it does on Windows. Only down side is that this mouse is for Windows, so the additional forward + back buttons + additional button can't be configured unless I buy a third-party USB overdrive application. I will probably end up replacing it with MX400, and try to use its software to see what I can do since it doesn't come with the speed switching buttons, but from what I hear it works well without them.
How come I switch between the two of them with no problems? Yes, there are differences, but one isn't better or worse than the other.
Complaining about the two is like taking your new car back to the showroom because the gear change, or the steering or the handling isn't your previous car.
If you can't switch between the two of them at the drop of a hat, that's your personal shortcoming.
Why not just add a 'make OS X like Windows' tickbox?
Adapt and learn!
Yeah, you're probably right. It's probably a personal shortcoming of mine. Sorry for trying to blame software for my own personal shortcomings.
Hey, would you be interested in maybe attempting to prove the bubbling diarrhea that's foaming out of your mouth? Do you live anywhere near Los Angeles? Let's each put $1000 on the line to make it count. You can use whatever mouse you want in OS X and you can pick any mouse you want for me to use in Windows. Then we'll do a series of targeting and placement tests to see if what we're saying has any truth. I'm guessing you're right, and that it's my own personal shortcomings that make OS X's mouse interpretation apply an acceleration curve that almost totally cripples highly-precise, spontaneous targeting. Hell, get 5 or 10 of your most mouse-savvy friends together and if any one of you do better in the test with OS X I'll get a tattoo across my forehead that says OS X was right, I was wrong.
It's so embarrassing to see this kind of blind reactioning. So embarrassing.
All of that said, It turns out the exaggerated issue I was experiencing was a bad Apple driver, fully acknowledged and fixed with the latest OS X 10.5.7 update. Probably the reason some people weren't experiencing it and some were. I think the wording was "newer NVidia based macs".
http://applelifestyle.blogspot.com/2009/05/osx-1057-improves-cursor-movements-for.html
I honestly couldn't believe people could use them as they were. It was absolutely haphazard. But. Fixed now. With the OS X update. Phew.
And I've always found mouse tracking on the Mac to be dramatically more fluid in nature than in Windows (and I spend more time in Windows than on Mac, mind you).
The OP likes mouse tracking better in Windows, I like mouse tracking on the Mac. But I would never choose a computer based on mouse tracking alone. A strange reason to give up on a new computer platform so quickly.
Don't feel bad about it. With time and patience I'm sure you'll learn to use the tricky computer mouse with aplomb.
If you pay for my flight, you're on.
But I'm not sure I'm going to get my friends together for a series of 'targeting and placement' tests. They'll disown me for being a bit of a sad fooker.
SO I spoke with my son about this, he switches back and forth more than anyone has a right to. He's also a heavy mouse user.
He told me that the difference can be seen mainly when making rapid mouse movements, like when you are playing GAMES??????
I have a Windows machine that we use to control an Amateur Radio Station.
It can be a mouse intensive operation at times, keyboard intense at others.
In day to day operations I cannot see the difference at all, or maybe I am just so used to it that I am able to adapt to the differences more so than others.
My son also said that with more and more Windows users wising up and switching to Mac's it's only natural people would comment about such differences.
His smart azzed comment went like this .....
"Dad, these people have been using the inferior Windows OS for so long, it is ingrained on them. They have nothing else to compare to, unlike here at home where we have used IMB OS2, Linux, Unix, HPUX, Windows, OSX and god knows what else."
It is Human Nature to resist change, even if that change is in the operation of a computer mouse!
He told me that the difference can be seen mainly when making rapid mouse movements, like when you are playing GAMES??????
I have a Windows machine that we use to control an Amateur Radio Station.
It can be a mouse intensive operation at times, keyboard intense at others.
In day to day operations I cannot see the difference at all, or maybe I am just so used to it that I am able to adapt to the differences more so than others.
My son also said that with more and more Windows users wising up and switching to Mac's it's only natural people would comment about such differences.
His smart azzed comment went like this .....
"Dad, these people have been using the inferior Windows OS for so long, it is ingrained on them. They have nothing else to compare to, unlike here at home where we have used IMB OS2, Linux, Unix, HPUX, Windows, OSX and god knows what else."
It is Human Nature to resist change, even if that change is in the operation of a computer mouse!
Just two facts:
- The mouse is acting the same under Windows and under Linux.
- The trackpad of a MacBook with OS X doesn't react as the OS X mouse, it reacts as the Windows mouse. That is the proof to me that the Windows & Linux way is the best way.
- The mouse is acting the same under Windows and under Linux.
- The trackpad of a MacBook with OS X doesn't react as the OS X mouse, it reacts as the Windows mouse. That is the proof to me that the Windows & Linux way is the best way.
I don't get how that is the best way. A drunk redneck act as a fool. My brother act as a fool. That is the proof to me that acting as a fool is the best way. What the hell ?
Sounds like you should've taken a smaller step then going upto a top of the line, maxed out iMac.
I use a Mac and a PC almost on a daily basis and have never had problems with the mouse. Initially I found the mouse to be slow, but I bumped up the speed sensitivity and I've never looked back.
Sorry to hear you didn't like your Mac, maybe one day?
I use a Mac and a PC almost on a daily basis and have never had problems with the mouse. Initially I found the mouse to be slow, but I bumped up the speed sensitivity and I've never looked back.
Sorry to hear you didn't like your Mac, maybe one day?
Why not just add a 'make OS X like Windows' tickbox?
Adapt and learn!
This would be THE most revolutionizing move Apple could do since inventing OS X!!
If you can't use your tools in comfortable way, it's perfectly good reason to not to keep them. You wouldn't keep i.e. a hammer with an overdesigned ergonomic grip if it didn't fit your hand regardless of how much effort went into designing it, would you? Or if the driver's seat in your car could only be put in a very small number of already fixed positions and not independently as most are today.
I've used OS X since it's birth many years ago and I can't stand the acceleration curve in OS X as well. It's either too slow or it overshoots thus it sucks, to me, regardless of what Apple says is better. Why can't they let me change speed and acceleration independently? Is that to much to ask for, say in an "advanced"-panel if they must keep it from the normal user?
Besides they have changed the acceleration curve across OS X revisions so I'm not sure Apple themselves know what they're doing in reality. Another Apple "good in theory - badly executed" inventions.
It would be like a buying a new car and returning it the next day because the steering had a different feel.
Seems dumb to me unless there was a serious problem. I don't think there is any serious problem here. Just a different method to the same goal.
Some just confuse different with better or worse and some adapt slower than others I guess.
Seems dumb to me unless there was a serious problem. I don't think there is any serious problem here. Just a different method to the same goal.
Some just confuse different with better or worse and some adapt slower than others I guess.
I just got my mac mini and plugged it in to my 37 inch lcd real quick just to check it out. The mouse accelration is really crazy. Its not that noticable on my macbook using the trackpad, but on a large screen its really annoying, the pointer feels sluggish and jerky. Like its got a life of its own. Im going to upgrade the OS, i hope its not allready upgraded, after upgrading the hardware and look around for options to fix this.
why I will send my brand new Imac back...
This is why you never go big at first, you end up setting yourself up for a disappointment. If you had started out with something like a mac mini or a macbook you would have worked your way up, kind of like building momentum, and then changed the pace before the big finale. I recommend starting over with a mac mini & a wireless microsoft mouse. You have so many ways to go from there. Good luck!
This is why you never go big at first, you end up setting yourself up for a disappointment. If you had started out with something like a mac mini or a macbook you would have worked your way up, kind of like building momentum, and then changed the pace before the big finale. I recommend starting over with a mac mini & a wireless microsoft mouse. You have so many ways to go from there. Good luck!
I would just like to quickly point out that this is completely wrong.
I am a mac user but reading this on a windows machine, which does have mouse acceleration. If I do your test of moving the mouse 2 inches slowly, it moves a short distance. If I move it the same distance quickly, it flies across the screen.
For the record, I use a mac at home (have done for 5 years) and a PC at work, and had never noticed any difference before reading this thread.
Perhaps that is because I don't play games on my computer? (I prefer to play my games outside, with real people)