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Why is Apple so damn stubborn to never include notification LED in its iPhone brand?

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Surf Monkey said:
Simple. Because PREFERENCE is not universal. It is NOT astonishing that everyone doesn't share your opinions and preferences. It doesn't matter if you imagine that an LED is superior. In the opinion of many it simply isn't. Your preference =/= objective fact. No matter how aggressively you argue your point the bottom line remains the same: it's a matter of preference, not objective superiority. Just as many people here have made compelling arguments as to why notification lights are INFERIOR. Their preference doesn't make those who disagree with them look stupid or crazy. It isn't astounding or incomprehensible. It's really very, very simple.
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Maybe you should start a thread about why Apple doesn't need an LED on their phones.

This thread would be much better if there were more ideas being tossed around as to how Apple could implement some sort of similar LED/Moto X Active display functionality in the iPhones to one up the competition (which they like to do...).

Instead, you and others here insist on arguing for 20 pages. If you don't think it is necessary, don't join the thread. (As I have stated earlier, if you are absolutely offended that someone is insulting Apple, I have a piece of advice for you. Take a deep breath. Then think for a moment: Apple doesn't need you defending them. It won't tarnish their reputation. Their stocks won't drop because of a thread on MR. I promise.)
 
blwade said:
Maybe you should start a thread about why Apple doesn't need an LED on their phones.

This thread would be much better if there were more ideas being tossed around as to how Apple could implement some sort of similar LED/Moto X Active display functionality in the iPhones to one up the competition (which they like to do...).

Instead, you and others here insist on arguing for 20 pages. If you don't think it is necessary, don't join the thread. (As I have stated earlier, if you are absolutely offended that someone is insulting Apple, I have a piece of advice for you. Take a deep breath. Then think for a moment: Apple doesn't need you defending them. It won't tarnish their reputation. Their stocks won't drop because of a thread on MR. I promise.)
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but... but... but... I don't WANT the option to have that notification. I don't see a need for it therefore the need doesn't exist. And... even though there's no option to do that isn't it just preference anyway? Yes, my reasoning skills are lacking. All hail lord Apple. They know best.
 
cdaq said:
but... but... but... I don't WANT the option to have that notification. I don't see a need for it therefore the need doesn't exist. And... even though there's no option to do that isn't it just preference anyway? Yes, my reasoning skills are lacking. All hail lord Apple. They know best.
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Well, I can't see how that exceptionally mature argument can fail to convince people.

It still boils down to opinion. Notice how aggressive some of you become when yours is challenged. You insist on universaizing your opinion and become offended when anyone points out the absurdity of what you're doing. It really is highly amusing.

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opfreak said:
So if you dont want it on, turn it off.

At least you have the option. The apple way is to not even need it.

You didn't need a larger phone, until apple decided for you that you did.

The small phone was perfect last year. This year it doesn't even get updated.
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Should Apple build in EVERY possible option that any person may want? Of course not. If they did the price of the device would skyrocket, not to mention the size.

Universaizing your opinion: stop.
 
Surf Monkey said:
It still boils down to opinion
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It is not my opinion that many people find this missing feature troublesome. It is also not my opinion that the functionality in question is not possible by any existing means. Two people in this microscopic sample size cited no persisting notification alert to be a major reason they went with another ecosystem. Extrapolate that and it becomes kind of interesting that this functionality continues to be left out. Now that's a mature discussion. Your strawmen, non sequiturs, and silly reducto absurdum arguments are the epitome of childish.
 
An LED is against the basic philosophy of intuitiveness and simplicity.

We use the screen for it because it gives us more information. And sometimes we do more like go into a couple apps we frequent in the moments we do that or how much is irrelevant.

It's about information.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
An LED is against the basic philosophy of intuitiveness and simplicity.

We use the screen for it because it gives us more information. And sometimes we do more like go into a couple apps we frequent in the moments we do that or how much is irrelevant.

It's about information.
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Without led is much ado about nothing.

Press home ...no new notification. ..10 minutes later press home...still no notification...10 minutes later press home...crap still no notification...10 minutes later press home...!@#$ still no notification...10 minutes later press home... (pull hair out) still no notification....10 minutes later press home... (bang head on wall + !@#$) still no notification....10 minutes later press home...(throw phone out window + lots of !@#$) still no notification.
 
Bobby Corwen said:
We use the screen for it because it gives us more information.
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Agreed but tell me, say you put your phone down and go outside to check the mail. Assuming you have no immediate need to pick up your phone when you get back inside how do you know if you've missed a text?

The bottom line is that you have 3 options
1. Carry your phone on your person at all times
2. Pick up your phone, turn on the screen and check after you've been away from your phone for any length of time
3. Live with the fact that you will miss notifications

To me, in 2014, this is unacceptable. Especially from a company claiming to create high-end, simple, and usable devices.
 
heycal said:
...Also don't see why they'd put it around the home button. Up top is where it should go...
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Top is meaningless in a device that can be used in any orientation.

Let's play safe and include lots of blinky lights! Don't want to burden folks with having to put the phone down in a particular orientation and forever having to maintain a direct line of sight with the solitary blinky light.

A peripheral arrangement of many blinky-blinkies will save us from such a burdensome imposition. Like this:D :
 

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opfreak said:
neither is the prefence to NOT have an LED light. yet the isheep here are going nuts at the thought of such a thing.

OMG an LED. What does that tell me? IDK.
OMG an LED. Thats ugly
OMG an LED. Welcome to 1996
OMG an LED. My phone is grafted to me I never miss anything.

Sorry there is no argument that is reasonable against an LED. The only argument against one is opinion.

I've see no person say. I want LED lights, and all other notifications to go away. Nope everyone calling for LED lights is wanting them in ADDITION to the current notifications because for them, that LED light serves a purpose.

If it doesn't benefit you in anyway, you could turn it off.

But then again, "you" believed apple when they said you were holding it wrong, and when you didn't want/need a bigger screen.
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Tl;dr after isheep. Can't make a cogent rebuttal without pejoratives?
 
Surf Monkey said:
Well, I can't see how that exceptionally mature argument can fail to convince people.

It still boils down to opinion. Notice how aggressive some of you become when yours is challenged. You insist on universaizing your opinion and become offended when anyone points out the absurdity of what you're doing. It really is highly amusing.

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Should Apple build in EVERY possible option that any person may want? Of course not. If they did the price of the device would skyrocket, not to mention the size.

Universaizing your opinion: stop.
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your right adding a little led light to the iphone will bankrupt apple.

If anything this thread proves there are alot of people that find the feature useful. And a bunch of people that will take whatever apple gives them. And the size of the phone increasing? LOL LMAO. your right Ivy would have to figure out how to make the top and bottom bezels even larger to maintain symmetry. because going past design 101 will be too hard.



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I7guy said:
Tl;dr after isheep. Can't make a cogent rebuttal without pejoratives?
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what? does the truth sting a little?
 
cdaq said:
Agreed but tell me, say you put your phone down and go outside to check the mail. Assuming you have no immediate need to pick up your phone when you get back inside how do you know if you've missed a text?

The bottom line is that you have 3 options
1. Carry your phone on your person at all times
2. Pick up your phone, turn on the screen and check after you've been away from your phone for any length of time
3. Live with the fact that you will miss notifications

To me, in 2014, this is unacceptable. Especially from a company claiming to create high-end, simple, and usable devices.
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Oh my. If I missed a text, Jlaw might get impregnated!

I don't want a LED on my phone, not now, not ever.
 
cornerexit said:
I don't want a LED on my phone, not now, not ever.
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Oh, come on now. Never say never. Vintage phone features can be quite endearing, in a retro-sort-of way.

I mean, who doesn't hanker after a real telephone bench: A very special piece of furniture, usually placed in a quiet part of the home, well out or earshot. You sat on it while conversing merrily with folks many miles away!

Apple should bring those back too. ;)
 

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Arran said:
Top is meaningless in a device that can be used in any orientation.

Let's play safe and include lots of blinky lights! Don't want to burden folks with having to put the phone down in a particular orientation and forever having to maintain a direct line of sight with the solitary blinky light.

A peripheral arrangement of many blinky-blinkies will save us from such a burdensome imposition. Like this:D :
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Right. Because if you can't refute an argument, just make something up and then mock it. Nicely done. Do you feel better now? because you look the fool.
 
cdaq said:
Agreed but tell me, say you put your phone down and go outside to check the mail. Assuming you have no immediate need to pick up your phone when you get back inside how do you know if you've missed a text?

The bottom line is that you have 3 options
1. Carry your phone on your person at all times
2. Pick up your phone, turn on the screen and check after you've been away from your phone for any length of time
3. Live with the fact that you will miss notifications

To me, in 2014, this is unacceptable. Especially from a company claiming to create high-end, simple, and usable devices.
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Peope that have fully bought into what a specific corporation is selling don't see the need for logical improvements.

A notification light is vintage, archaic, or from the past, but having no way to notify the user of something being missed is a technological marvel.
 
Arran said:
Oh, come on now. Never say never. Vintage phone features can be quite endearing, in a retro-sort-of way.

I mean, who doesn't hanker after a real telephone bench: A very special piece of furniture, usually placed in a quiet part of the home, well out or earshot. You sat on it while conversing merrily with folks many miles away!

Apple should bring those back too. ;)
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And you know what? The very fist smart phone had a dailer. And a ringtone. Probably even an earpiece. Perhaps a speaker phone function? Hmm, maybe some features actually stand the test of time. Your argument that the notification in question is archaic or passe is downright idiotic. ESPECIALLY given the fact that apple doesn't provide another means to accomplish it without turning your screen on :rolleyes: pfft.
 
cdaq said:
Do you feel better now? because you look the fool.
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Like I care. :)

Happy to provide some levity in any case. You're welcome.

What I find amazing is how deadpan seriously agitated some folks are getting over a feature Apple clearly has no intention of implementing.

What are we on now? The 8th model of iPhone? Don't you think we'd have seen a light before now?

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cdaq said:
maybe some features actually stand the test of time.
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Indeed. Some do, and some don't.
 
cdaq said:
It is not my opinion that many people find this missing feature troublesome. It is also not my opinion that the functionality in question is not possible by any existing means. Two people in this microscopic sample size cited no persisting notification alert to be a major reason they went with another ecosystem. Extrapolate that and it becomes kind of interesting that this functionality continues to be left out. Now that's a mature discussion. Your strawmen, non sequiturs, and silly reducto absurdum arguments are the epitome of childish.
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Actually, what's childish is attempting to diminish your opposition's character in order to grab some imaginary high ground.

I absolutely stand by my comments. The efficacy and desirability of an LED notification light is a matter of subjective preference. Your opinion on the matter is really no more or less valid than anyone else's. The assertion that I'm advancing a reductionist argument is just as absurd as your claim that anecdote and opinion = fact.

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cdaq said:
Right. Because if you can't refute an argument, just make something up and then mock it. Nicely done. Do you feel better now? because you look the fool.
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This ^ is exactly what I'm talking about. Your position is "either you agree with me or you're a fool."

That argument is going nowhere.

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opfreak said:
your right adding a little led light to the iphone will bankrupt apple.

If anything this thread proves there are alot of people that find the feature useful. And a bunch of people that will take whatever apple gives them. And the size of the phone increasing? LOL LMAO. your right Ivy would have to figure out how to make the top and bottom bezels even larger to maintain symmetry. because going past design 101 will be too hard.
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When you're done laughing read the post again. Pay close attention to the word "every" this time. Notice how I put it in all caps. I did that because it was important to the concept I was talking about. The fact that you ignored that critical word, even after I clearly called it out renders your rebuttal completely irrelivent.
 
Arran said:
Like I care. :)

Happy to provide some levity in any case. You're welcome.

What I find amazing is how deadpan seriously agitated some folks are getting over a feature Apple clearly has no intention of implementing.

What are we on now? The 8th model of iPhone? Don't you think we'd have seen a light before now?

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Indeed. Some do, and some don't.
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so they had 7 models with small screens....


Iphone 6s, now has the most delightful and innovative notification system as possible. Presenting the iRingGlow, a warm comforting ring of glow that lets your phone inform you if you missed an event. No longer will you have to turn on your screen to see if you missed a call, text, or message. The gentle glow of the touch ring will give you the information you need to use your phone. Worried about sleep? with iAssit you can set bed times for you phone so it doesn't go off at night, and mutes ring glow.

iRingGlow the most innovative way to get notified since the ringer. We're apple, and we think different.
 
Arran said:
Well. I was trying to take it in a humorous direction.

After 21 pages of intense angsty pining, it seemed like time.
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This seems to be where MR is headed lately. Threads start out with great intent, and up being nothing more than virtual fistfights about why one thing, or idea is better than the other, or the "Mine is bigger than yours..." argument.

People need to lighten up, or they'll blow their O-Rings!
 
opfreak said:
...Iphone 6s, now has the most delightful and innovative notification system as possible. Presenting the iRingGlow.
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Point taken. Should Apple eventually implement a persistent, touch-free notification system, it'll be more elegant than a bald, blinky light.

It'll be beautiful (And maybe that's why it's taking so long? Although I seriously doubt it) :)
 
Surf Monkey said:
Actually, what's childish is attempting to diminish your opposition's character in order to grab some imaginary high ground.
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I was doing no such thing. Only calling it like I see it.


Surf Monkey said:
I absolutely stand by my comments. The efficacy and desirability of an LED notification light is a matter of subjective preference. Your opinion on the matter is really no more or less valid than anyone else's. The assertion that I'm advancing a reductionist argument is just as absurd as your claim that anecdote and opinion = fact.

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The desirability may be debatable (and its my opinion that it would be a well received feature) but its efficacy is not. It's an incontrovertible fact that the lack of notification is a missing feature. It's also not up for argument that there is currently no way to check your phone without firing up the screen. These are facts. Do you understand the difference now?


Surf Monkey said:
This ^ is exactly what I'm talking about. Your position is "either you agree with me or you're a fool."

That argument is going nowhere.

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Umm no. Arans post was nothing but a silly strawman. It was a bad attempt to discredit a point of view by offering up something that no one had suggested. It dishonest and childish but I'll take him at his word it was only meant for levity sake. I'm sure everyone got a chuckle. haha.
 
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