That's what I'm thinking. Imagine being annoyed with your machine after spending all that money on it.
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Why is Apple so quiet about the iMac Pro?
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Apple knows us too well too... I'm just hoping the GPU upgrade is £300 max, and then I'll happily get done for £7K all in - should last between 5-8 years then considering the slow down of technology advancements.
[doublepost=1513113485][/doublepost]The other way to look at this from a video editing perspective is to drop the £5K on the standard and then make do with the iMac Pro for the next 4 years and upgrade then.
Alternatively, spend £7K now and it should last for potentially double.
If you blow £5K on it now, and then upgrade again in 4 years time to a much better Mac, you're going to drop another £5K+. If you upgrade now to £7K iMac Pro, you might get 6-8 years out of it... that £2K just went a long way....
Hard one to consider... but it does look like having more now will help you along the way for longer... and if times are tough in 4-5 years time, you'll still have a Mac to run your business from. If you're well in the black, you can upgrade and keep the iMac Pro as a rendering machine only.
His channel is for doing very high level reviews showing off latest tech. Thats why he shoots Red for Youtube. Not because it makes sense but because he can. If he was conservative in what he did his channel wouldn't be as popular hence it would ultimately cost him more money. And Marques can't help which browser you watch Youtube on. Just use Chrome if you want 2160p.
Assuming it's no harder to crack open than my late-2012 iMac, in 3 years when your warranty is kaput, just crack it open and upgrade the RAM then. The GPU won't be feasible to upgrade after the fact, nor the CPU.
I'm looking at the iMac Pro as a vanity purchase for home use. I do some video and photo editing, but I'm not using it in a professional sense (i.e. it won't pay for itself).
I'm just a guy who wants to reward himself with a new toy. This one is the toy for me. For now. I'll get 5 years of use out of it, and at that cost-per-day, it's similar to what other people spend at Starbucks. It's a deal
I'm looking at the iMac Pro as a vanity purchase for home use. I do some video and photo editing, but I'm not using it in a professional sense (i.e. it won't pay for itself).
I'm just a guy who wants to reward himself with a new toy. This one is the toy for me. For now. I'll get 5 years of use out of it, and at that cost-per-day, it's similar to what other people spend at Starbucks. It's a deal
Yeah, I was being finicky - I don't really care about watching YouTube videos shot with RED cameras... nor for 4K.
I was being finicky because for a 'high level reviewer' he offered very little information about what high level performance we can expect, other than it helped him to make a one-camera edit of 8K footage, which we already knew from the preview of FCPX 10.4... the only information I learned from him directly was that the 8 and 10-core would be the only models available... Apple could have just told him that. Also, he said that it ran cool... but then it was only one stream... and in optimised media too... so... he never really did anything that amazing with it.
It just wasn't helpful to a potential buyer, despite having a week with the iMac Pro. Meanwhile, Vincent Laforet produces a short blog post that probably took him 1/10 of the time it took that guy with the RED camera to do all his fancy shots and he gave us so much more information - actual test scores that he'd done himself with a variety of different media... for me, the two YouTubers wasted their opportunities.
I get that YouTubers are all about the fancy - that other guy with the desk setups - I mean, really? A person in the market for the iMac Pro is supposed to also be in the market for a desk, speakers, wireless headphones and get all excited about a branch sticking out the leg of his desk? I'll pass.
You have to have substance to be selected by Apple as the go-to guy for the NDA and early iMac Pro sampling. I just expected a lot more information from the two of them... if that was Joema2 here, or even myself, I would have produced an equally as good looking film with a lot more about the actual iMac Pro and how it performs under many different types of conditions... it takes a day or two to do that... with the other 5 days, I'd be getting another project out with it... for me, it just seemed lazy.
I agree with you, but that's what all these professional youtubers do... why get a single hit/click when he can release another video in a day or a week, with a little bit more info, and get another click. That's why some of the more notorious ouTubers use click-bait to get you to open their video.
This sucks though. I don’t think it’s a good move when you’ve had the jump on everyone. It’s their duty to supply us with advice. If they supplied us with the information we need, then we’d all love them. They’d double their followers.
As it stands, I’ll pass on watching their videos again, and Max Yuryev will be the go to guy for testing once it’s out. By then, I’ll hopefully have my own anyways.
To be fair... MKBHD isn't really known as a "computer reviewer" even though he uses computers every day.
15 out of his last 20 videos are about smartphones... with a few Tesla videos too.
You're right about Max Yuryev though... that's who I was referencing in my earlier comment to you.
Yes a pulitzer prize winning filmmaker gave much more detailed information on a computer for video editing than a millennial kid who hosts a tech themed Youtube channel with over 700 million views.
His videos aren't aimed at potential iMac Pro buyers. His videos are aimed at his 5.4 million subscribers. Personally I don't think he's wasting his time or lazy because he's making a lot more money than you and I combined doing his current format aimed at a specific audience so I would never tell him how to run a very successful channel.
He may be way more successful and making way more money, but they’re running a tech blog. Do you know what happens to tech sites that give no new information? They fall behind.
We’re allowed to criticise: it’s a part of the game of making films for YouTube in the first place. The same logic applies to MacRumors members telling Tim Cook that he’s losing the plot from time to time.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and the two YouTubers wasted an opportunity to take their tech videos up a notch, regardless of their audience.
If they don’t do better first impressions, someone else will, and guess who Apple will be sending the next Mac to? Not them.
Fans are fickle. They’ll go wherever the exclusives go. I’m not calling them lazy, I know YouTubers are on the grind, but it was a lazy exclusive video with little effort in terms of tests and nothing new. They’re more interested in a slider shot than explaining something groundbreaking.
Calling them kids is being too kind. These guys are men; they’re successful and they should be using their films to inform and push the envelope, not regurgitating the spec sheet.
Also, Vincent Laforet doesn’t need to be an award-winner to import some footage and tell us how fast it finished. It’s not groundbreaking or earth shattering but it is what we needed to know. Kudos to him.
First off, he did exactly what he set out to do. So no, it was in no way, "lazy". You can criticize all you want, but it wasn't lazy. He showed off the product, and gave his first thoughts. He specifically stated that he'll be dropping his review next week. That was a preview video, and my guess is, that's why Apple gave it to him. As for taking it "up a notch" he's the peek, as far as this sort of things go. He's the youtube tech guy, in terms of overall quality of videos. That's not to say that in whatever capacity that you're talking about, he didn't satisfy. Fine. But wait for the review before you start complaining.
I appreciate your thoughts, but next week’s review will be when it’s already in the hands of a lot of people, presuming Apple ships these out quickly. Therefore, it’s like handing a paper in late. I don’t care if it’s brilliant at that point: deadline was last week.
He could have spent 12 hours of each day on that iMac Pro and shipped a review based on those hours spent with the machine, or at least released something new - information wise - with his findings.
60 hours is more than enough time to review the product.
Sorry if he’s your favourite YouTuber.
All the leaked benchmarks so far seem based on the 10-core version, which runs at 3 GHz. Is it now safe to say for sure that iMac Pro runs at a lower clock rate than the native clock of the Xeon CPU? On the other hand, all reviews so far indicate that iMac Pro is vastly faster than all the other Macs. How do you guys feel about this lower clock rate of Xeon iMac Pro?
I have a mixed feeling. While it is satisfying to see an iMac Pro will easily outperform my Mac Pro 5,1 by a huge margin, it also makes me feel lost when I know the CPU is capable of running faster but prevented by Apple.
Or, does the turbo boost thing make the base clock rate irrelevant? The CPUs can still run higher than 3 GHz (10-core version) from time to time so users won't feel the difference unless running intensive multi-core jobs for a long time?
I have a mixed feeling. While it is satisfying to see an iMac Pro will easily outperform my Mac Pro 5,1 by a huge margin, it also makes me feel lost when I know the CPU is capable of running faster but prevented by Apple.
Or, does the turbo boost thing make the base clock rate irrelevant? The CPUs can still run higher than 3 GHz (10-core version) from time to time so users won't feel the difference unless running intensive multi-core jobs for a long time?
My point was more that I think Apple may have required him to do a first look first to get the machine early, than give an honest review next week. They're smart to do so, since it's basically free advertising to a demo they want to buy this thing. I do agree that if this was all he put out it would not be great, since it was more of an impression than a solid in depth review, something that when he does it, I think he does very well and that the complaints you leveled against him he usually addresses. Lastly, he's not my favorite youtuber (though I do like him). It's either Casey Neistat or Gary Vee that wins that title
Based on what we know? The base clock is lower but the Turbo Boost remains the same as the “normal” Xeon of the same name. What that means to most of us is lower power consumption during modest tasks and the same speed when you need it. Seems like a reasonable trade off to me for many use cases.
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My bet is that these “light” reviews are due to a stepped embargo: they were released to do a certain level of review today but are embargoed until a future date (maybe permanently) to go deeper. Did we actually see them touch and use the systems? I don’t recall it! Apple allowed them to release a teaser and that is all.
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Lastly, he's not my favorite youtuber (though I do like him). It's either Casey Neistat or Gary Vee that wins that title
Casey is who I had in my mind when I said “click bait”. He sure knows how to manipulate the public and vendors. I guess he’s not a grifter if we all know he’s playing a game.
IPhonedo is my fave
This has been a very enjoyable thread to follow. I appreciate the insight that’s been shared.
I know some of you need an updated machine yesterday and will pull the trigger on the 14th. As for me, I have some wiggle room on timing and am going to wait a month or two to see how things pan out with thermal management, noise levels, and iFixIt’s tear down. (Maybe I’ll get lucky and the RAM will be accessible with some work.)
At this moment in time, I’m leaning towards 10 Core, 64 GB RAM, 2 TB, Vega 16 GB. But I’m interested in seeing the actual pricing and how the things I mentioned above pan out over the next month or two. Either way, this is certainly an exciting time! I’m stoked for those of you that are pulling the trigger 29 hours from now!
I know some of you need an updated machine yesterday and will pull the trigger on the 14th. As for me, I have some wiggle room on timing and am going to wait a month or two to see how things pan out with thermal management, noise levels, and iFixIt’s tear down. (Maybe I’ll get lucky and the RAM will be accessible with some work.)
At this moment in time, I’m leaning towards 10 Core, 64 GB RAM, 2 TB, Vega 16 GB. But I’m interested in seeing the actual pricing and how the things I mentioned above pan out over the next month or two. Either way, this is certainly an exciting time! I’m stoked for those of you that are pulling the trigger 29 hours from now!
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Hmmm, Star Wars the Last Jedi and iMacPro released in the same week.
Awfully suspicious.
Awfully suspicious.
MKBHD is doing it how he wants and how his viewers love it. At the end of the day, if you really desperate to find out if you should spend 5 grand on one of these, they are aren't for you. Actual pro's or rich people will buy it regardless. They probably reference MKBHD just to get a real up close first look. You have the Apple Stores where you can go play with it yourself. You can order one, use it for 14 days and put it through its paces. If you don't like it, return it.
I sense more jealousy in the responses more than anything else. I watched iJustine unbox the Surface Book and the only thing I got out of it was 'OMG' in regards to knowledge, but I did see the Surface Book up close and whats in the box.
I sense more jealousy in the responses more than anything else. I watched iJustine unbox the Surface Book and the only thing I got out of it was 'OMG' in regards to knowledge, but I did see the Surface Book up close and whats in the box.
MKBHD all reviews dont go in depth with reviews until the product is actually released. He had the computer in his desk for a week and wasnt aloud to talk about it
I would love to be proved wrong, but imagine if the early units were given to neutral reviewers who actually pound and stress test those machines. The modern Apple as we know now, wouldn't want the first keywords associated with their "flagship pro machine" being "throttling" and "fan noise".
Hey MrDee
All of us here are waiting impatiently for any sort of news about the machines. So when two videos come out about the new iMac Pro everyone is looking forward to learn more about the machines and how they perform.
When one of those videos is about a desk and the other one offers very little information you can imagine how disappointing it can be.
Nothing against MKBHD and Morisson. The main problem lies with Apple who probably restricted them on what they could and could not say.
I'm sure also the reviewers who want to keep getting review units by Apple probably tamed their opinions
I believe it does. Many CPUs are overclocked by the user tweaking settings to overclock them. Therefore, when Intel says that it's good for up to 4.5GHz... it'll run at this speed whenever it is needed, which is quite clear from Laforet's post. It's a beast.
This makes sense. I agree with you on that front. It's just a shame that he can't tell us this in his videos, as then I wouldn't be mad at the fact that he wasted his opportunity with the model to help all of us who are in the market for this machine.
People's invested time with older Macs make this iMac Pro a very important vehicle for a lot of businesses. On average, I'm losing two days for every seven that I have editing due to the age of my system. This iMac Pro is what I've been holding on for as a small business owner, and so I really hoped for more tests like Laforet's and the Space Engineer guy who have both given us very appealing benchmarks with real world tests. This will do me fine, as I'll be ordering at midnight or whenever it goes live, but I just wished there was more to go off before I custom built mine using Apple's website; in particular, which spec you should go for when using FCPX and multi-cam / effects etc.
I can't hang on for the in-depth reviews, and as others have pointed out, I don't need to, as I'll have ordered one by this time tomorrow, but it's just frustrating that such a huge investment is going on very few benchmarks. I'd wait before ordering, but I know enough now to know that this is going to be a huge payoff for my business and I needed one last year...
I also like Casey... I like YouTube in general and agree that the tech reviews MKBHD does are great... but that's why I was disappointed with the video as I know he could have done a lot better.
It's not jealousy: it's frustration. When your business runs on Apple software and hardware, things are personal. Their choices affect my life.
Therefore, I can't just order one and go with it... then send it back. I need to know which spec'd model to order and how that will pay off between the different choices that will be available etc.
That said, a lot of business owners have held on for this Mac and we have had to wait far too long (since 2013) for another powerhouse Mac. I wasn't willing to shell £5K on a trash can by the end of 2015/early 2016, so I chose to wait, and wait I did.
Apple knows this, have apologised and delivered something incredible, though not exactly what pros were asking for (an AIO), but people like me can't wait another year for that new modular Mac Pro machine to be announced - it would destroy growth in my business, so this iMac Pro is the answer and I'm rolling the dice with it.
Hopefully you can see from the above why a pointless iMac Pro preview was met with frustration when the users have had them for a week. They had our answer, but were unable (for whatever reason) to tell us much more than we already knew.
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Thanks phobos. Exactly how I feel too... and I understand the latter as well.
Max Yuryev has paid for being honest, as Panasonic don't really like him after his autofocus test on the Panasonic GH5... as you'll probably know too...
It's a difficult rope to walk for sure, but they have these privileges, and a lot of the real pros are looking at them for help that they're not receiving.
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Supposedly true 10 bit. The same as the iMac.
https://www.livescience.com/59512-apple-imac-can-display-1-billion-colors.html
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Well, although those "X-ray" views on the Apple site make it clear that the RAM is socketed, it also looks like its facing the back of the machine so you may have to pretty much strip the whole thing down and free the main logic board to get at the RAM. That could be hairy, given that the cooling system is going to have to be pretty complex - we'll have to wait for the iFixit teardown to know (we'll see how deep iFixit's pockets are!)
...and, as has been pointed out here already, the "commercial" customers that Apple are aiming for are more likely to replace the machines when they're out of extended warranty.