Why is everything with iPhone such a struggle?

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Knique, Oct 8, 2009.

  1. Knique macrumors member


    Aug 22, 2009
    Why is everything with the iPhone such an uphill battle?? I love the phone and the functionality. However, everything seems to hinge on the next release date. My previous phone (Samsung BlackJack 2) was Windows based and a piece of cake to update or modify.

    Thanks for listening. I feel much better after getting that off of my chest.
  2. nateo200 macrumors 68030


    Feb 4, 2009
    Northern District NY
    What I'd like to know is why basic features found on dumb phones are left out on the iPhone tell later than needed. Bluetooth? Video recording? MMS? Tethering? Sure there's answers but I dislike them!
  3. sinsin07 macrumors 68040

    Mar 28, 2009
    I agree with both of your points. Unfortunately we will get flamed. This thinking is not in alignment with the general consensus of this forum.
  4. anjinha macrumors 604


    Oct 21, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
  5. Knique thread starter macrumors member


    Aug 22, 2009
    It seems like everything is based on a release date (firmware update for MMS). I know we all should have this capability now, but the wait was very painful.
  6. anjinha macrumors 604


    Oct 21, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    But we have that now. Is it still a struggle?

    With other phones if something is missing or wrong with them software wise it is very unlikely that you'll ever get it. At least with the iPhone you keep getting new features.
  7. jav6454 macrumors P6


    Nov 14, 2007
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    Please go give me an example what is a struggle for you.... my iPhone doesn't struggle with anything.
  8. bruinsrme macrumors 603


    Oct 26, 2008
    no flame from me. My wife gave me so much crap about MMS.
    Bluetooth, why bother.

    I don't understand apple yet about leaving out some things because the phone doesn't support it but jailbreaking seems to enable those missing functions.
  9. pullfocus macrumors 65816


    Sep 17, 2009
    LA, CA
    And I thought the people of Darfur had a struggle.

    Pales in comparison to lack of tethering, I suppose.
  10. schwell macrumors regular

    Jun 21, 2009
    I agree rotary dial phones were so much easier.
  11. dissdnt macrumors 65816


    Aug 3, 2007
    The only thing it struggles with is AT&T, ahhh zingggggggg.
  12. ant131531 macrumors member

    Jul 27, 2009
    Everything is done on purpose. They left all the features out of gen 1 so that when gen 2 comes out, they are like OMG, WE FINALLY HAVE 3G AND BLUETOOTH AND GPS...and then new people buy it and the people with gen 1 buy it. Now with gen 3, they add even newer features and a better camera, OMG WE HAVE A BETTER CAMERA, VOICE CONTROL, AND SO MUCH OTHER THINGS. Then the same people from gen 2 move to gen 3 and they attract new people. It's an advertising gimick to get people to renew thier stuff. All of this could have been done within the first 2 generations...Apple's not foolin me or alot of other people.
  13. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

    Rodimus Prime

    Oct 9, 2006

    That would work in theory but things like MMS not being out on day one is 100% with out a doubt Apple's fault. That one was standard Steve Jobs having a stick up his ass thinking his way was better.

    Tethering I will give Apple some slack on. The original iPhone was classified as a dumb phone.

    Things like copy paste and MMS missing is not acceptable. I also think it is rather sad the original phone lacked G3.
  14. kdarling macrumors demi-god


    Jun 9, 2007
    First university coding class = 47 years ago
    Maybe that's true for dumbphones, but...

    Other smartphones certainly do get updated. They just start with more and don't need updates to get camera, MMS, c&p, multiple sends and deletes, and other common functionality.

    RIM puts out updates fairly often for their Blackberries.

    Some WM 2003 smartphones got updated to WM5, which was a major change. And now many WM5 phones have gone to 6.1, and those to 6.5. Some of the newest ones will be able to go to WM7, another major change.

    Android has been getting nice updates as well, as I'm sure you know.

    Nokia has an application and OS update site, too.
  15. aristobrat macrumors G5

    Oct 14, 2005
    Don't forget that the Windows Mobile OS your BlackJack ran had been out since 2002, and prior versions weren't nearly as complete as the one you enjoyed. Hardware manufacturers were regularly installing 3rd party apps to fill in the blanks that MS left. So you could have two Windows Mobile phones, each with different MMS apps!

    And the upgrade model was horrible. Microsoft would come out with a new version of the OS, but as a customer, you'd have to wait and see if the hardware manufacturer was going to support it. Microsoft only gave updates to them, never directly to customers. And if the hardware manufacturer did create an update for your phone, it was up to your carrier as to if they were going to offer it to you. And if they did, it required a full wipe of your device. You had to manually reinstall your apps (restoring from a backup wasn't officially supported).

    Apple has a lot of work to do on the iPhone, but if you look at where they are compared to where other mobile platforms were at with version 3, it's not as backwards as it seems.

    I do agree that having to jailbreak to do major custom mods is a pain, but that's apple. You take the good with the bad.
  16. aristobrat macrumors G5

    Oct 14, 2005
    Agreed. Instead of common functionality, they're getting updates to their neglected areas, such as web browsers, media players, and UI. Doesn't seem like anyone's yet nailed a phone that has all of the common stuff + the features from the newer OSs.

    Overall, yes. But when by the time the carrier blessing has been completed, a BlackBerry is only likely to see one, maybe two updates during its lifetime. Sometime's is a big upgrade, but I've yet to see a single BlackBerry model get two updates that add substantial new features.

    The problem is that it's always "some" phones that get the upgrade, ... not "all". And when you buy your Windows Mobile phone, you never know if it's going to be one of the lucky ones that's update-able when the next OS comes out.

    Check out Microsoft's page on which phones can be upgraded to Windows Mobile 6.5:

    There's a whole bunch of "Sorry, no update is available", "Over the next few months, our partners may release updates to some of their Windows Mobile 6.1 phones.", and "Not all models of these phones will be updatable. Check with your mobile operator to determine update availability."

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  17. ctt1wbw macrumors 68000


    Jan 17, 2008
    Seaford VA
    I swear as God is my witness people will bitch about the iPhone non stop. It gets updated and people bitch about something that was left out that is available on other phones.
  18. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Please quantify why everything is an uphill battle with the iPhone? I mean MMS was available to everyone except ATT customers. This wasn't apple issue, or a global issue, just those that were on ATT. The iPhone gets updated periodically and all the apps work as expected. I see no other major issues (other then tethering) that could be considered an uphill battle. I'm happy with the phone, its UI, stability, battery its apps, both in the quality of the apps I buy/download and their stability.

    I know I'm sounding like a fanboy but I'm not really seeing how everything on the iPhone is an uphill battle. Its not perfect, and as I mentioned att customers had to wait longer then the rest of the world but overall its a great tool
  19. scaredpoet macrumors 604


    Apr 6, 2007
    The funny thing is, I saw using every other smartphone as a bit of an inconvenience and a compromise on the limited features available, but something I simply had to put up with if I wanted to carry mobile e-mail and limited web browsing functionality. The compromise, limitation and inconvenience ended when I got an iPhone.

    I've used Palms, Blackberries and Windows Mobile devices of various generations over the years, and with each and every one of them, I suffered with:

    - Total data loss, often random, with no or limited back and restore capability

    - A lack of a decent web browser

    - A lack of a decent media player

    - A lack of a unified location to purchase apps, and the apps that were available were not nearly as plentiful and number, and often were more expensive for less functionality.

    - A lack of an ability to keep the same phone model for 3+ years and get multiple OS updates that continue to improve functionality and add features.

    - Having to worry about losing my stylus and buying a new one, because no one could seemingly get a touch screen to operate accurately enough without one.

    All of that changed once the iPhone came out. And you know what? It was worth it to me to have these things even if it meant giving up copy and paste for a while. Sure, many smartphones are improved now, but none of the smartphone vendors felt motivated to actually care about the user experience and adding any of these features until the iPhone changed things. Now, smartphone vendors keep talking about how they're going to release an "iPhone killer," yet none manage to ever come close to "killing" anything. If the iPhone is so bad and such a "struggle," why does everyone now use it as the industry yardstick? Why does the next model of the iPhone sell a million units in a weekend, easy, in a bad economy, while others don't come close to selling the same amount in three months' time?

    Say what you want, but for all the criticism and bickering and complaining, you're still here, talking about iPhones, and using iPhones. If it were really that bad, people wouldn't be buying them. They'd be using something else... because the alternatives are so much better, aren't they?

    I ignore the label "fanboy." It's a term used by people who can't refute the arguments I put out there on their merits. If I'm a fanboy, so be it. But argue the facts I've presented, not whether I really like my phone or not.
  20. MartyS macrumors newbie

    Dec 3, 2007
    RIM does the same thing. YOu can only get the "official" upgrade to your Blackberry from the carrier...
  21. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    That's because in both cases the carrier may have (and in verizon's case usually does) configure/modify the OS.
  22. .:R2theT macrumors 6502

    Jul 1, 2007
    I think all of this comes down to starting with some flawed ideas.

    If a person buys/bought an iPhone they should be aware of what the device does. Whether they believe it should come with this or that feature is irrelevant as the features and benefits are clearly laid out.

    So if that person then struggles due to the fact that they think Apple should be getting them those other desired(look closely people, desired is not necessarily guaranteed and certainly not promised) features and benefits then I don't really have any sympathy.

    I can't think of another phone that has had as many updates as the iPhone.

    I think the only things that people are struggling with are there own desires.
  23. podsonic macrumors member

    Apr 26, 2009
    I have some sympathy with the OP here, yes, we should all read the specs etc. before we buy any device, but it is so easy to get carried away by the hype. Having used the iphone for well over a year now and having gone through all the problems with 3.1, I find myself sometimes yearning for the days of WM.
  24. Badfoot macrumors 6502

    Sep 27, 2009
    London, UK
    I agree. Though sometimes it's a persons circumstances that change that then highlights weaknesses. What was ok when bought may now be not so ok.

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