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Why is it so impossible for me to take consistently good photos with my 6?
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1. The problems are visible in pics at a desktop screen size.
2. At 8MP, iPhone cam images must look good "closer to the pixels" so to speak, since even modest cropping brings the view to 1:1. No reason Apple can't do this, they did it before on the 5S/iOS7.
That is a known issue with pictures in general actually, especially when viewing on a large desktop display and also when viewing 100%. Let's not forget that the image format (jpg) does a lot of compression which also leads to a reduction in quality. Take a look at any photography website/forum out there and you'll come across this problem. I'm repeating myself but this is exactly what I meant with "know what to expect". For most people this won't be of any issue due to the fact that they'll never use the poster version of the picture. They'll only use the small version that is used on websites, in a photo book and so on. There might be an issue with the noise reduction but let's not exaggerate things.
If you can't tell the difference in image quality between the 6 and earlier iPhones, here's an awesome article with some creative image comparisons. And here is another look into iPhone 6/6+ camera image quality from the perspective of (bad) contrast which also compares it to previous iPhones.
Thanks for links to those good articles.
This caught my eye from one of them --
"The image stabilization provides a nice improvement in sharpness in low light, but Apple used it in a very smart way to also reduce the noise in the photo (slower shutter speed and capping the max ISO lower). This produced much better images in very dim environments.
However, its not all roses and balloons. For some reason that I cannot understand, Apple has changed the JPG processing engine and dramatically reduced the contrast in the photos. This produces blotchy, ugly skin tones and dull, lifeless landscapes. Its not a subtle difference at all."
He doesn't mention that painted look but maybe the blotchy is the same phenomenon. (you should see the selfy I took in decent light @6pm - so bad like I'm wearing eight layers of makeup - try it and then enlarge and let us know how yours looks)
This caught my eye from one of them --
"The image stabilization provides a nice improvement in sharpness in low light, but Apple used it in a very smart way to also reduce the noise in the photo (slower shutter speed and capping the max ISO lower). This produced much better images in very dim environments.
However, its not all roses and balloons. For some reason that I cannot understand, Apple has changed the JPG processing engine and dramatically reduced the contrast in the photos. This produces blotchy, ugly skin tones and dull, lifeless landscapes. Its not a subtle difference at all."
He doesn't mention that painted look but maybe the blotchy is the same phenomenon. (you should see the selfy I took in decent light @6pm - so bad like I'm wearing eight layers of makeup - try it and then enlarge and let us know how yours looks)
I had the same thought, that the blotchy contrast issue is the same as the "Monet effect" discussed in this thread. The face photos he used illustrate the problem nicely.
Still waiting on my 6+. With any luck Apple will fix the image processing before it arrives.
The following has a different story: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Appl...et-gold-standard-for-smartphone-image-quality
Take a look at the technical differences. Not much is there huh?
Are you sure you really understand what's going on?
Take a look at the technical differences. Not much is there huh?
Are you sure you really understand what's going on?
Yes, as has been said over and over from the beginning of this thread, this is a specific artifact that won't affect every or even most of your photographs. That doesn't mean it's not an issue however.
You come in here acting as if you are the only one who knows anything about photography yet many of us in here have shot a LOT of photos with iPhones yet this specific processing choice was clearly visible all of a sudden in the ip6. Do you think we've never looked at our photos before?
Do you think there are no other serious photographers here??
You come in here acting as if you are the only one who knows anything about photography yet many of us in here have shot a LOT of photos with iPhones yet this specific processing choice was clearly visible all of a sudden in the ip6. Do you think we've never looked at our photos before?
Do you think there are no other serious photographers here??
The following has a different story: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Appl...et-gold-standard-for-smartphone-image-quality
Take a look at the technical differences. Not much is there huh?
Are you sure you really understand what's going on?
Good details preservation outdoors or in, ok
I only read reviews for fun, and I look at their sensor scores for new cameras, but after this iPhone 6 test, dxomark lost all credibility. Read some of the comments posted there. Can't take apple gadgets reviews too seriously any more, as undoubtedly some of the big publications don't want to get on Apple's bad side by giving negative reviews.
The following has a different story: http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Appl...et-gold-standard-for-smartphone-image-quality
Take a look at the technical differences. Not much is there huh?
Are you sure you really understand what's going on?
We're not discussing "technical differences", we're discussing a specific image artifact. As for that review, it directly contradicts your earlier contention that "all smartphone cameras are bad and so what's the difference." More importantly, there are few images and all are resized and compressed so we can't see if the contrast/nr problem is there. There are no comparison shots from other smart phones, not even from a 5S. Their camera rankings differ strikingly from all other review sites so it raises questions about their testing methodology and thouroughness. Actually the opaqueness of the review is rather suspicious in my view.
It's interesting how despite all the example photos and links to reviews which address the specific contrast/nr issue we're discussing, you've taken the time to sift through countless iPhone 6/6+ camera reviews to find one that does not contain any info whatsoever regarding the problem. If you honestly do not understand exactly what it is we're discussing, what are the odds of you finding a review with not one single photo of sufficient size and quality to see the problem in question? It almost seems like you know the exact problem and are determined to disrupt and distract any constructive criticism of it.
Anyways, if you're 6+ camera images don't have the problem we're investigating, why aren't you posting them here to show us exactly why "we don't understand what's going on?"
I recommend to use 645 Pro MK III app with MAX-Quality JPEG (or TIFF, but filesize will be huge) if you want your photos to look like they were in the old days: more noise but much sharper image (instead of the Monet-like painting effect). I prefer it this way.
For low-light situations I recommend to use Cortex cam app - the image quality is amazing.
645 PRO Mk III: https://itunes.apple.com/app/645-pro-mk-iii/id518235205?mt=8
Cortex Cam: https://itunes.apple.com/app/cortex-camera/id517488939?mt=8
For low-light situations I recommend to use Cortex cam app - the image quality is amazing.
645 PRO Mk III: https://itunes.apple.com/app/645-pro-mk-iii/id518235205?mt=8
Cortex Cam: https://itunes.apple.com/app/cortex-camera/id517488939?mt=8
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While the Cortex app is fantastic at low light and static objects, it operates very much like a long shutter speed (even though it accomplishes its effect differently) so even small movements will result in blurring. You can adjust the settings to have it 'remove motion blur', but all that does is replace a blurred object with the first frame it captured, so you are left with the same issues that the stock camera has in that area of the photo and it looks even more pronounced because all the noise stands out a bit more against the noiseless background.
Why is it so impossible for me to take consistently good photos with my 6?
Here's what I am seeing. With the Cortex image, if you zoom way in, it looks like there is a cityscape constructed on the very tiptop of the pipe. With the 645 Pro MK iii it is smudgy. With the default iPhone camera it looks like streaks at the very tiptop of the pipe. This can't be natural!
Here's what I am seeing. With the Cortex image, if you zoom way in, it looks like there is a cityscape constructed on the very tiptop of the pipe. With the 645 Pro MK iii it is smudgy. With the default iPhone camera it looks like streaks at the very tiptop of the pipe. This can't be natural!
Has it been determined if the everyone is experiencing the same amount of Monet effect? It seems to me with reading all these comments, that some experience it a lot less than others.
Also the Cortex app does take good stills, but this doesnt help out me. As most of my pictures are of my kids and require me to pull the phone out and snap a pic quick. Cortex uses a stacking method which requires a very still subject.
Do you think the 645 Pro MK work better for pics of kids?
Also the Cortex app does take good stills, but this doesnt help out me. As most of my pictures are of my kids and require me to pull the phone out and snap a pic quick. Cortex uses a stacking method which requires a very still subject.
Do you think the 645 Pro MK work better for pics of kids?
took this one today around 1pm, it was very cloudy, (lazy photo, i know, just outside my place) don't know what to think of it. you decide. (i've been criticising iphone 6 camera a lot, because some pictures look A LOT like Monet, but this one seems reasonable? or not? you decide lol)
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Direct link for big zoom - http://i.imgur.com/D2iM1f5.jpg
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Direct link for big zoom - http://i.imgur.com/D2iM1f5.jpg
No. 645 Pro Mk III does not take any better pictures than the native app. They look almost identical and they only increase the file size. I have shot numerous pictures with 645 set to output tiff untouched. When compared to the native Camera app, they are almost identical. Here is an example. This is a crop of an image of a video card. Left is 645 tiff output, right is native camera app.
Scam app.
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Exactly, the DOF is fine with the shots I take - in fact it's better than I expected before I started using the 6+ camera, the majority of the shots I've seen look great. I sometimes do have to trigger the AE/AF lock but nothing like my previous iPhones, especially 5 and 4.
Something is just off with the "painting" like background. The entire photo is not clear..like there is a film over (or under) the lens. I would take it back if you haven't done so already - hopefully you can get a quick replacement.
